AFL 2019 Round 6: Essendon v Collingwood, 3:20pm AEST MCG

Who will win?

  • Essendon < 10 pts

    Votes: 4 8.7%
  • Essendon 10 - 30 pts

    Votes: 4 8.7%
  • Essendon > 30 pts

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • Collingwood < 10 pts

    Votes: 4 8.7%
  • Collingwood 10 - 30 pts

    Votes: 11 23.9%
  • Collingwood > 30 pts

    Votes: 15 32.6%
  • Draw

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Total voters
    46
  • Poll closed .

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A shiny gold medallion to anyone who convinces a collingwood supporter we got a raw deal by the umps yday.

Not sure why your bothering. It won't change the result any more it will change their mind.
There are days you have to play the opposition and the roll of the dice with the interpretations. Just didn't happen. We had plenty of opps and kicked points, or turned it over.
Much like the pies had plenty of opps to put us away but missed set shots.

Take the positive. Within a kick of one of the top 3 clubs in the comp.
The last month has levelled the ledger from the start of the season. Onto Geelong, Sydney & Freo. Good chance for 12pts. 20 into the break if we can account for Richmond and Carlton.
The funny thing is that yes the umpires made some ‘poor’ calls like they do in every game.

The couple where play stopped in last quarter, sure they were frustrating, but neither had any impact on the game at all. Both were HFF for Pies, both were decisions where Essendon fans (and players) expected holding the ball decisions, both were called play on, and in both instances Essendon ended up getting the ball back straight away anyway.

Cox getting his soft free against Hooker...he then missed!

The howlers didn’t impact the result, Collingwood only bloody kicked 3 goals in the second half....none the result of dodgy umpiring calls.

Essendon lost because they didn’t show up until 5 min before half time, and then had players who continued to make mistakes and turn the ball over when they had chances to take the game on.

But as always, much easier for fans to vent their frustration at the umpires than be critical of a guy like Tippa for spoiling Joe and turning the ball over when in the clear
 

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He more tilts into them than dropping his knee. He's generally still moving into those tackles and trying to evade.
Whether they are deeming that a duck, i dont know, but its surely prior if so. And they're ignoring that too

I put the Tippa ones in the age old bucket of umps shying away from paying a free in the fwd 50.
Though the Bags one was soft (whilst there, soft). And Cox's one when Hooker outbodied him was truly bizarre.

The Guelf in the back is text book in the current interpretations, though i dont agree with it. Landing in someones back during a tackle is not a push. And its not why the rule is there. Dont drive their head into the ground (i.e. dangerous tackle) and it should be play on.

All in all, not a great day for the men in yellow/green.
Frustrating for us. Less so for the winners.

We robbed ourselves as much as they robbed us.
Baguely had a fist full of Langdon's jumper at the same time.
The 2 cancel each other out.

I would have been able to put my hand between Grundy and Guelfi's bodies.. all Grundy's weight was on his own arm.

Tippa raised his arm to get the high contact, used to be a free but we can thank Joel Selwood for that rule being amended.

Will Hoskin-Elliott non holding the ball decision probably the worst of the day though.
Don't understand how that wasn't paid.
 
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Just watched the replay,and didn't care who won, but if I was an Essendon fan I woukld be filthy with the bias shown towards Collingwood by the "Umpires".
Those umps should never do a game again this year. F..king cheating incompetence.....
Essendon got 2 goals from direct rubbish free kicks
Pies got zero
But those with an agenda will only see what they wanna see to strengthen there cause.
 
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He more tilts into them than dropping his knee. He's generally still moving into those tackles and trying to evade.
Whether they are deeming that a duck, i dont know, but its surely prior if so. And they're ignoring that too

I put the Tippa ones in the age old bucket of umps shying away from paying a free in the fwd 50.
Though the Bags one was soft (whilst there, soft). And Cox's one when Hooker outbodied him was truly bizarre.

The Guelf in the back is text book in the current interpretations, though i dont agree with it. Landing in someones back during a tackle is not a push. And its not why the rule is there. Dont drive their head into the ground (i.e. dangerous tackle) and it should be play on.

All in all, not a great day for the men in yellow/green.
Frustrating for us. Less so for the winners.

We robbed ourselves as much as they robbed us.
landing in the back ? Oh please do show were he lands in his back.
 

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Baguely had a fist full of Langdon's jumper at the same time.
The 2 cancel each other out.

I would have been able to put my hand between Grundy and Guelfi's bodies.. all Grundy's weight was on his own arm.


Tippa raised his arm to get the high contact, used to be a free but we can thank Joel Selwood for that rule being amended.

Will Hoskin-Elliott non holding the ball decision probably the worst of the day though.
Don't understand how that wasn't paid.
Dont disagree, but these are called all the time. Its wrong. even if he lands in his back, its not a push. It doesnt stop him from disposing of the ball any more than a legit tackle would. Its a stupid rule and its very prone to different calls and incorrect calls.

All in all, not one for the umpiring archives (or maybe it was)
The frustration for essendon fans was the poor umpiring combined with our poor decision making and execution. Game was there to be one. Didnt take it. People look for an outlet.

One goal goes through for us and i reckon the ump narrative is on the other foot.
Keep saying, good teams need to find a way to win even when the rub of the green isnt going there way
Our game v West Coast last year is a perfect example. Umps were killing us. At HT the Eagles had more frees than points. But we found a way to win that day. Yesterday, we didn't.
 

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Couple of bad decisions went Essendon's way, but a lot of bad decisions went Collingwood's way
Sorry Alesana, this is reall aimed at Thillhouse , who doesn't speak, just abuses, but both teams suffered umpires Hocking rule led spoiling of the game.

Yes that's right , both ways, both teams , the fact is I'm not talking about bad decisions for f***s sake I am talking about the infringements which are nothing, that make the situation sometimes for a player trying to defend almost impossible , may as well watch instead of try to contest, then some half brain called Thrillhouse carry's on like half brain, ignorant fool who can't even see what I'm saying.

There are lots of issues, here's one when a player is running flat out and catch's up then tackles his opponent who is running away and they both fall over, doesn't the forward momentum create the "push in the back"???? Its accidental actually!!The bloke chasing should be given the benefit of trying to get to his opponent , yet we see "in the back" and at other times we see run down and the roof lifts of from the crowd. They are two different things but the chaser that gets a free against him, what else can he f*****g well do but try. The chaser that catches he's a hero, the other poor bastard is free kicked against , because he was TRYING!!

There's people on here saying Essendon were robbed, well if Essendon had won , then the free about 8 minutes to go, where the magpie barely touched his opponents arm , yes that all, while the Essendon player has hold of his jumper and almost pulls him to the ground, WHO GOT THE FREE????
YEEEES! The bloody Essendon bloke!!!!! And he kicked a goal; , the blind umpire may as well have kicked it for him.

That happens in games every bloody week, every bloody game, TO EVERY BLOODY TEAM!!!!!

That's what I mean thrill dill, lots of incidents that don't get frees and lots that frees are paid for, incidental accidental touching of an opponent IN THE BLEEDING CONTEST!! what are you blind thrill man, or are you easily pleased.

Punching the arms is another rule where a defender can't defend , you know why, because of Hockings mutilation of the rules making it a basketball game.

Did you see that hip and shoulder Tiger?

In the Richmond Melbourne game best thing I've seen for years haven't seen a hit like that for a long long time, well ...weren't they crapping on in the AFL ABOUT HEAVY HITS A WHILE BACK, AND YOU SHOULD TACKLE INSTEAD OF BUMP , REMEMBER THE CATCH CRY , THE BUMP IS OUT!.
Well mate the bump was nearly out, but that was a devil of a bump the other night. Do you actually follow this game????

Have a bloody look occasionally it happens to every team its not about wins and loss s' ITS ABOUT THE LOSS OF HOW THIS GAME IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED.

If you like tiggy touchwood football if you like fingertip frees go watch the local basketball and enjoy the foul calls and the two free shots!

And do you know who thats down to? Blasted damned Hocking , and who ever else runs in the committee of bruise free rules, and the sycophants in the commentators box s' that try to describe why some piece of crap decision is correct, that is what is happening to the game we love its getting watered down , like the whole league is watered down diluted by expansion, where half the shots on goal are missed, there it goes into the gutter.


Like I said the good parts of Aussie rules are the best sport in the world, the crap that D emetriou STARTED M clachlan TOOK ON H ocking is RUINING, call it DMH hey?? Not AFL.

So to all the easily pleased, good for you , for me I can hardly watch sometimes, I get that angry, but just shows how people who don't really look at the actual point someone is making, or doesn't even understand the point , you don't need to tell me to f*****g shut up, you like AFLX good for you I hate it.
But that's what the tiggy touchwood frees look like now days.

Its like politics follow the bullshit in the media and its all OK, you get what you ask for and its crap

Right now our game is NOT OK! And some of the fiddled/ changed/ mangled rules ARE CRAP!!!!

No one in the AFL football world seems to have the testicles to actually speak out, in ten years it'll be netball.

FEEL FREE TO ANSWER BUT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT TO TELL ME TO SAY NOTHING, then get off! Thrillerhouse?
 

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Dont disagree, but these are called all the time. Its wrong. even if he lands in his back, its not a push. It doesnt stop him from disposing of the ball any more than a legit tackle would. Its a stupid rule and its very prone to different calls and incorrect calls.

All in all, not one for the umpiring archives (or maybe it was)
The frustration for essendon fans was the poor umpiring combined with our poor decision making and execution. Game was there to be one. Didnt take it. People look for an outlet.

One goal goes through for us and i reckon the ump narrative is on the other foot.
Keep saying, good teams need to find a way to win even when the rub of the green isnt going there way
Our game v West Coast last year is a perfect example. Umps were killing us. At HT the Eagles had more frees than points. But we found a way to win that day. Yesterday, we didn't.

Citizen-erased the collingwood hand on the Essendon arm , was barely touching NO GRIP , NO GRIP, that is all the umpire saw , it was a contest for the ball!

That is the point of these idiotic touching-rules, the jumper of the Collingwood player was was being knuckle grabbed totally and nearly pulled him down to the ground, said it before, grey rules with the way these blokes who umpire are trained, CREATE UNFAIRNESS IN THE GAME, A FREE IS A FREE, A MAYBE IS A BLEEDING BALL UP!
BOTH TEAMS COPPED SHIT , and every one of the 18 cop some kind of groupings of free kicks that fans viewers members don't understand or are totally unfair. You want crap like that fine, I hate it!

My problem is I love this game and I've been watching it for so long I can see how its being manipulated and destroyed. I can name several friends of mine and some relatives who have given it away, when that rubbish unfair goal was kicked by Essendon 8 or so minutes from the end of the game, I just got up and walked out , AND i'M AN EFFING HAWTHORN MEMBER, that's what the game is doing not just to me.
Its over umpired over adjudicated, and over the top now , open your bloody eyes everyone and we might get a subtle change back to where umpires understand that this is a PHYSICAL CONTEST! They need to recognise the subtle difference between infringement and CONTEST, WHAT DO PEOPLE GO TO THE GAME TO WATCH? Who gets the most frees?????????????????????????????????
OUR GAME IS NOT A GAME OF CHESS!
ps notice how the rules and umpiring good bad or indifferent, every week this is a big subject , wonder why?
Rememner too that game was won by 4 points, one more goal to Essendon, and they win, from what.....well a free kick that wasn't there, and if it was it should not even be a free, its a contest is it not?
 

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I just saw this on Facebook -
Essendon fans won’t admit that
- In the first quarter Mason Cox should have been awarded a free for chopping of the arms in front of goal.
- Langdon was controversially penalised for holding Mark Baguley which gifted him a goal in the last quarter to bring them within 3 points.
- In the second quarter Grundy was incorrectly penalised for in the back to Matt Guelfi who then kicked an easy goal.
- In the 3rd quarter Dayne Beams marked inside 50 but was called to play on touched off the boot despite video evidence proving other wise.
- In the 4th Tom Langdon was denied a contested mark in Essendon’s forward half despite being the man in front and taking clear possession of the ball.
- 4th qtr 10:00 left in the game Jake Stringer broke 2 tackles and drop the ball and was lucky to get away with it.
- 4th qtr 9:49 remaining Patrick Ambrose both held and took Brody Mihocek over the shoulder in a marking contest. Umpire allowed play on.
Just a few gems that fell in the favour of Essendon today.

Perhaps Collingwood fans can make a case that they should have won by more if not for the umpiring mistakes.

Free kick count was 14-17 so it’s not even a major deficit favouring one side either.

Essendon technically kicked 3 of 10 goals from free kicks.

Collingwood kicked 0 goals from free kicks.
 

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I just saw this on Facebook -
Essendon fans won’t admit that
- In the first quarter Mason Cox should have been awarded a free for chopping of the arms in front of goal.
- Langdon was controversially penalised for holding Mark Baguley which gifted him a goal in the last quarter to bring them within 3 points.
- In the second quarter Grundy was incorrectly penalised for in the back to Matt Guelfi who then kicked an easy goal.
- In the 3rd quarter Dayne Beams marked inside 50 but was called to play on touched off the boot despite video evidence proving other wise.
- In the 4th Tom Langdon was denied a contested mark in Essendon’s forward half despite being the man in front and taking clear possession of the ball.
- 4th qtr 10:00 left in the game Jake Stringer broke 2 tackles and drop the ball and was lucky to get away with it.
- 4th qtr 9:49 remaining Patrick Ambrose both held and took Brody Mihocek over the shoulder in a marking contest. Umpire allowed play on.
Just a few gems that fell in the favour of Essendon today.

Perhaps Collingwood fans can make a case that they should have won by more if not for the umpiring mistakes.

Free kick count was 14-17 so it’s not even a major deficit favouring one side either.

Essendon technically kicked 3 of 10 goals from free kicks.

Collingwood kicked 0 goals from free kicks.
This doesn't even mention the Tipungwuti throw to Daniher to set up his last goal. No way that's a proper handball and it wasn't in a pack so pretty easy to pick for an umpire, they just missed it or didn't have the guts to blow the whistle.

Again I think Essendon fans (and some opposition fans) got carried away and emotional because it was a close game and a mounting come back, and because they don't know the rules and said rules are very open to interpretation.
 

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I just saw this on Facebook -
Essendon fans won’t admit that
- In the first quarter Mason Cox should have been awarded a free for chopping of the arms in front of goal.
- Langdon was controversially penalised for holding Mark Baguley which gifted him a goal in the last quarter to bring them within 3 points.
- In the second quarter Grundy was incorrectly penalised for in the back to Matt Guelfi who then kicked an easy goal.
- In the 3rd quarter Dayne Beams marked inside 50 but was called to play on touched off the boot despite video evidence proving other wise.
- In the 4th Tom Langdon was denied a contested mark in Essendon’s forward half despite being the man in front and taking clear possession of the ball.
- 4th qtr 10:00 left in the game Jake Stringer broke 2 tackles and drop the ball and was lucky to get away with it.
- 4th qtr 9:49 remaining Patrick Ambrose both held and took Brody Mihocek over the shoulder in a marking contest. Umpire allowed play on.
Just a few gems that fell in the favour of Essendon today.

Perhaps Collingwood fans can make a case that they should have won by more if not for the umpiring mistakes.

Free kick count was 14-17 so it’s not even a major deficit favouring one side either.

Essendon technically kicked 3 of 10 goals from free kicks.

Collingwood kicked 0 goals from free kicks.
How about the 2 blatant 50m penalties that Daniher should’ve given away in the last quarter?

The commentators not knowing the rules doesn’t help, whinging about nonexistent HTBs only ends up making things worse.
 
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