AFL 2019 Round 6: Richmond v Melbourne, 7:35pm AEST MCG

Who will win?

  • Richmond < 10 pts

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Richmond 10 -30 pts

    Votes: 19 40.4%
  • Richmond > 30 pts

    Votes: 17 36.2%
  • Melbourne < 10 pts

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Melbourne 10 - 30 pts

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Melbourne > 30 pts

    Votes: 5 10.6%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .
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Coming from the supporter of a club which won nothing for 45 years (until 2007). You have won 9 flags in your your pitiful existence. And you talk legacies? Remember the handbag legacy? Short memories some of you folk......if ever there was a club that has delivered SFA, it’s the cats. Hardwicks finals record is what, one finals win short of Scott and Scott won with Bombers list. Laughable.


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This is a Richmond/Melbourne thread. It's not about Geelong, or Collingwood, or any other deflections you want to come up with. Stick to the point.
 

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I heard Sumich talking about Stack last week and they asked what his issues were. He replied it had nothing to do with attitude or partying or being lazy it was simply lack of professionalism ie, he literally lived hours away from training so was regularly late, Sumich pulled him aside early on in the piece and said, there are no excuses in a professional environment you just have to do something about the problem and he did - was then reinstated back into the squad.

All this talk about massive issues and being a loose cannon are just rubbish. Kids a dynamo and has a great attitude
In that case then it's very unfair and irresponsible for people to perpetuate rumors of him being some loose cannon with behavioral issues, especially if those rumors began before Freo and West Coast turned him down. Potentially effecting this kid's livelihood and chances at an AFL career because some asshole successfully began circulating false rumors about him is deplorable.
 
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That's a simplistic way to look at it. It's about having complementary pieces in the midfield, not three on ballers who basically do the same thing.
Not simplistic at all. There are a plethora of hard inside mids that play footy all around the country that would look like world beaters with a Kelly and Coniglio alongside them (for example). My point is that keeping those complimentary pieces constant, Viney is below mediocre relative to other AFL style talent.
 

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You've got issues. Go see a doctor immediately.
Yes and you too, here we are on the Richmond v Melbourne thread, baiting each other!

We'll we meet again, don't know where don't know when!!!

And now I'm serenading you, get my pills IMMEDIATELY!!
 

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In that case then it's very unfair and irresponsible for people to perpetuate rumors of him being some loose cannon with behavioral issues, especially if those rumors began before Freo and West Coast turned him down. Potentially effecting this kid's livelihood and chances at an AFL career because some asshole successfully began circulating false rumors about him is deplorable.
But its great that he turned around , whether things were true or false or exaggerated, and if it was him delivering that brilliant legal hip and shoulder
( the best I've seen for many years) and the umpires left him alone, thank God!

Well he has a massive future as a "footballer" !!!
 
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I heard Sumich talking about Stack last week and they asked what his issues were. He replied it had nothing to do with attitude or partying or being lazy it was simply lack of professionalism ie, he literally lived hours away from training so was regularly late, Sumich pulled him aside early on in the piece and said, there are no excuses in a professional environment you just have to do something about the problem and he did - was then reinstated back into the squad.

All this talk about massive issues and being a loose cannon are just rubbish. Kids a dynamo and has a great attitude
It's still a fact he was kicked out of both academies, so their must have been issues
 
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This is a Richmond/Melbourne thread. It's not about Geelong, or Collingwood, or any other deflections you want to come up with. Stick to the point.
The point is we didn’t fail to cope with the pressure. We backed up with a top of the ladder finish and prelim final.
We are now winning interstate and without our best players. We haven’t fallen away. Even in 2017, we actually finished 2 points off top spot. We are backing up quite well. And our depth is possibly the best in the league (as supported by our VFL results of the last 2 years and this year).
But, you got a bias and i’m not surprised you can’t give credit where it’s due.


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Not simplistic at all. There are a plethora of hard inside mids that play footy all around the country that would look like world beaters with a Kelly and Coniglio alongside them (for example). My point is that keeping those complimentary pieces constant, Viney is below mediocre relative to other AFL style talent.
I thought we were talking about Oliver? My point is he (Oliver) is a lot better than a bog average 'hard inside mid', but he doesn't have the inside/outside game that only the very best have. He's like Scott West, Matt Priddis, one of those types. In the right midfield, he's elite. In the wrong midfield (i.e. one without the linebreaking outside class), he looks like a plodder. You can't just put him in any midfield and be assured he'd succeed, but there's not many players in the league who can do that.
 
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The point is we didn’t fail to cope with the pressure. We backed up with a top of the ladder finish and prelim final.
We are now winning interstate and without our best players. We haven’t fallen away. Even in 2017, we actually finished 2 points off top spot. We are backing up quite well. And our depth is possibly the best in the league (as supported by our VFL results of the last 2 years and this year).
But, you got a bias and i’m not surprised you can’t give credit where it’s due.


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Attacking the 'team supported' fell flat for you, so might as well try attacking the poster, I suppose. What bias?

You could also look at 2019 so far as Richmond being beaten twice by more than 40 points and let three apparent cellar dwellers hang around for far longer than they should have. One genuinely gutsy/impressive win, with your backs against the wall in hostile territory against a good opponent in Port Adelaide.

Richmond's not an all time great team by a long shot. Not yet. My point is, when you look at the other teams that managed one flag over the past decade, Richmond is only ahead of the Bulldogs, in terms of sustained success. The others played in multiple grand finals, had consistent top four finishes for an extended period. That's the minimum standard if Richmond people expect this team to stand out when compared to other recent premiers.

The whole 'here they come, be very scared opposition teams' like they've been a juggernaut for 10 years is a bit ridiculous, particularly after beating a team that looked as inept as Melbourne did last night. It's pretty hard to know what to take out of Richmond's performance last night. Melbourne didn't look AFL-standard and the Tigers obviously get some of the credit for the part they played in making them look so terrible, but it's hard to gauge just how much.
 

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Was there another incident with Viney that might have given him some concussion, or is Goodwin suggesting the Stack bump might have had head contact?

MELBOURNE will send co-captain Jack Viney for scans on Thursday after he injured his right shoulder in a heavy hip and shoulder from Tiger Sydney Stack at the MCG on Wednesday night, coach Simon Goodwin says.
"He'll be an assessment tomorrow so we'll have to look at that shoulder and some concussion stuff that we'll have to look at as well," Goodwin said.
 
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Won 3 in the last 9 attempts. Can you post me a picture of your preliminaryship t shirt please? I wanna see what it looks like. But, please stay cocky. I like it.
Just stating the facts. The last 2 games you have been comprehensively outplayed by the Pies. So not so sure we are 'shaking' in our boots when it comes to the Tigers as your mates suggest.
 
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As opposed to one GF and a handful of finals wins in over 35? Richmond has been a contender for about two years now. They've been the team to beat for one year and failed to cope with the pressure.

The current Tigers outfit has a fair bit to do to show that they'll ultimately have a better legacy than any of the other sides that have managed a single flag in the past decade and managed to stay in contention for several more seasons (Collingwood, Sydney, West Coast...I'll give you the Bulldogs at this stage). Let's see if Richmond manages any more flags in the next 3-5 years, or even if they remain in contention for that period before we get too carried away about where they sit in the pantheon.

It might just be a byproduct of living in Victoria, but the deference that Richmond seems to get in the media seems way out of proportion to, say, the reigning premier.
That's because we are in Victoria following a team with 98k members. Do you think the WA media are going on about Richmond over there?

What difference does it make about how many flags have been won? The Tigers won one and backed it up with a strong season last year. It is extremely difficult to win flags let alone finals. Following the Cats you should understand that probably better than almost anyone. Also Sydney supporters. Both Sydney and the Cats have almost never missed playing finals for a long time but the number of flags between them is still probably low compared to how many finals series they've both participated in. Not having a crack at either team just pointing out how obviously difficult it is to secure the holy grail.

I feel for Saints and Dockers supporters who got to the GF and left empty handed.
 
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As an opposition supporter I loved Brayshaw on a wing. He is Melbournes best player imo and Melbourne could of dominated us around the ball if he was in there.
Hunt in the forward line is also quite funny as he looked a star off the HBF.
Patracca should be fit enough to play midfield now as well. If he isn’t melbournes fitness staff should be sacked
 

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Was there another incident with Viney that might have given him some concussion, or is Goodwin suggesting the Stack bump might have had head contact?

MELBOURNE will send co-captain Jack Viney for scans on Thursday after he injured his right shoulder in a heavy hip and shoulder from Tiger Sydney Stack at the MCG on Wednesday night, coach Simon Goodwin says.
"He'll be an assessment tomorrow so we'll have to look at that shoulder and some concussion stuff that we'll have to look at as well," Goodwin said.
Even if there’s no contact the brain would’ve been rattled around a fair bit - still came to a very abrupt stop. Also might’ve hit the ground, though I haven’t watched it as much as I would’ve liked to. Wouldn’t be surprised if he copped a minor concussion
 
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Was there another incident with Viney that might have given him some concussion, or is Goodwin suggesting the Stack bump might have had head contact?

MELBOURNE will send co-captain Jack Viney for scans on Thursday after he injured his right shoulder in a heavy hip and shoulder from Tiger Sydney Stack at the MCG on Wednesday night, coach Simon Goodwin says.
"He'll be an assessment tomorrow so we'll have to look at that shoulder and some concussion stuff that we'll have to look at as well," Goodwin said.
I though there was high contact but it was very much incidental as Viney collapsed under the collision.

I doubt it's a problem but if he was concussed they'll go over it with a fine toothed comb.
 
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Even if there’s no contact the brain would’ve been rattled around a fair bit - still came to a very abrupt stop. Also might’ve hit the ground, though I haven’t watched it as much as I would’ve liked to. Wouldn’t be surprised if he copped a minor concussion
Thanks, that makes sense
 
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Just stating the facts. The last 2 games you have been comprehensively outplayed by the Pies. So not so sure we are 'shaking' in our boots when it comes to the Tigers as your mates suggest.
And you reckon we are with the pies? Please.


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That's because we are in Victoria following a team with 98k members. Do you think the WA media are going on about Richmond over there?
I tend to stay away from the Mon-Thu articles. I'm talking about the commentators when the teams are playing.

What difference does it make about how many flags have been won? The Tigers won one and backed it up with a strong season last year. It is extremely difficult to win flags let alone finals. Following the Cats you should understand that probably better than almost anyone. Also Sydney supporters. Both Sydney and the Cats have almost never missed playing finals for a long time but the number of flags between them is still probably low compared to how many finals series they've both participated in. Not having a crack at either team just pointing out how obviously difficult it is to secure the holy grail.
It's not necessarily about premierships. To me, I suppose, it's about having a period of sustained excellence, of having those years of being the team to beat and still standing up. Of being three goals down at halftime and even the opposition supporters know you'll run over them at some stage. Of opposition teams genuinely not believing they can beat you.
I think Richmond probably needs another flag or a few more years of consistent top four level play to be there.

I feel for Saints and Dockers supporters who got to the GF and left empty handed.
That's true, but you never know. The next flag can be closer than we think. Both have taken some (apparently) big scalps so far.

Richmond's a good side. They've covered their outs reasonably well and are obviously well drilled. But it's been an up and down start for them, I think it's reasonable to say and they don't have the aura of invincibility at the MCG that they did heading into September last year. With the Pies beating them up twice there, Richmond knows that they can be beaten there and just as importantly, opposition teams know it as well.
 
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I tend to stay away from the Mon-Thu articles. I'm talking about the commentators when the teams are playing.



It's not necessarily about premierships. To me, I suppose, it's about having a period of sustained excellence, of having those years of being the team to beat and still standing up. Of being three goals down at halftime and even the opposition supporters know you'll run over them at some stage. Of opposition teams genuinely not believing they can beat you.
I think Richmond probably needs another flag or a few more years of consistent top four level play to be there.



That's true, but you never know. The next flag can be closer than we think. Both have taken some (apparently) big scalps so far.

Richmond's a good side. They've covered their outs reasonably well and are obviously well drilled. But it's been an up and down start for them, I think it's reasonable to say and they don't have the aura of invincibility at the MCG that they did heading into September last year. With the Pies beating them up twice there, Richmond knows that they can be beaten there and just as importantly, opposition teams know it as well.
Cheers for the reply. Some fair points.

Given that Richmond has missed one finals series since 2013 and won a flag (overall finals record is 4-4 during this time) it is a massive change in fortune for the club and its supporters who both went through 3 decades of nothingness. We were the current Carlton and Melbourne for 30 years. This can't be forgotten. After winning the flag in 2017 the majority thought Richmond were a flash in the pan. Overnight heroes headed back to obscurity. Last year disproved that. So far this season they have also stood up to adversity and are 4-2. They are capable of rolling anyone outside of the genuine contenders and that to me is a hell of huge feather in their cap. Any of the legit contenders will struggle with the other top teams but each should each man handle the pretenders and the second tier to bottom tier with a few exceptions because that is just sports.

I can now follow my team with great confidence against nearly any other mob going. It is the contenders that now bring the concern and I'll take that over the seemingly endless years of being anybodies going nowhere with any number of lists.
 
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Attacking the 'team supported' fell flat for you, so might as well try attacking the poster, I suppose. What bias?

You could also look at 2019 so far as Richmond being beaten twice by more than 40 points and let three apparent cellar dwellers hang around for far longer than they should have. One genuinely gutsy/impressive win, with your backs against the wall in hostile territory against a good opponent in Port Adelaide.

Richmond's not an all time great team by a long shot. Not yet. My point is, when you look at the other teams that managed one flag over the past decade, Richmond is only ahead of the Bulldogs, in terms of sustained success. The others played in multiple grand finals, had consistent top four finishes for an extended period. That's the minimum standard if Richmond people expect this team to stand out when compared to other recent premiers.

The whole 'here they come, be very scared opposition teams' like they've been a juggernaut for 10 years is a bit ridiculous, particularly after beating a team that looked as inept as Melbourne did last night. It's pretty hard to know what to take out of Richmond's performance last night. Melbourne didn't look AFL-standard and the Tigers obviously get some of the credit for the part they played in making them look so terrible, but it's hard to gauge just how much.
I know amongst all the bluff and BS on this board there would of been that talk. Personally, it was a prelim and/or above for me last season because what you want is consistent performance. As it stands, we have competed in finals 5 out of the last 6 years, so, we have been a consistent team with some sustained success. Certainly not a juggernaut.
You’re right, it is hard to get a guage on the performance last night as it was a “dirty ball” game. Being at it, i can tell you they were smashing numbers into the back 50 to take up space and cut Lynch and Jack put of the game. Issue for Melbourne was, by doing that, they had no exit. Hence the 70 Fwd 50 entries for us to the 30-40 they had.
The biggest myth perpetuated about us is a lack of depth. Our VFL team in the last 2 years has made a prelim and GF. We are currently top 4 again. We are a club currently which has its shit together.
But, clickbait media conveniently overlook these things. They still commentate our games like it’s ‘97. “Oooooh risky kick”, “ooooooh can they hang on” etc etc. It gets real old these days.
Our system has returned. Plus, like the Cats, looks like we have unearthed a few ripper kids. Is that a fairer post which addresses yours?


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Some were forced yes... but just before Melbourne collapsed and stopped scoring, AND they had some momentum, I saw a number of occasions where they were either going inside 50 or going to half forward, and there seemed to be 2 or 3 Melbourne players bunched together in a particular area, and the ball carrier under minimal pressure ignored the multiple Melbourne players and kicks it 30 metres to the left/right or over the top directly to a Richmond player. I don't know whether these are mis-kicks or if that player honestly did not look ahead and just bombed it anywhere.

It seemed to be that these repeat turn overs were the beginning to the end... they got to a point where they just stopped trying to go forward, and everyone moved back into defensive 50 for the remainder of the game.
After the 1st qtr (Dees applied good pressure) they couldn't hold it up. Couldn't keep pace where Rich continued their suffocate and spread game - continued to force contest and outnumber at contest and forced the wayward disposal of the Dees who simply had no room to execute clean disposal.

Like a Rich of last year................ oh wait.
 
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