Autopsy AFL 2021 2nd Preliminary Final - Port v Dogs Sat September 11th 7:40pm EST / 7:10pm CST (AO)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Port by a goal or less

    Votes: 5 2.7%
  • Dogs by a goal or less

    Votes: 20 11.0%
  • Port by 7 - 20

    Votes: 60 33.0%
  • Dogs by 7 - 20

    Votes: 44 24.2%
  • Port by a lot

    Votes: 42 23.1%
  • Dogs by a lot

    Votes: 8 4.4%
  • Draw

    Votes: 3 1.6%

  • Total voters
    182
  • Poll closed .

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CarnTheScray

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Second half paled in comparison to what the first half was.

Melbourne were at the same intensity for the entire match.
Do Melbourne want a medal for that?

It’s not like they’re getting a head start in the GF because of a higher score in the PF haha, margin means nothing in finals.

And Geelong were shocking. Ten times worse than Port.
 

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JasRulz63

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Stef Martin is such an underrated part of the dogs team. Not an a grader but just halves everything and allows a pure mid vs mid battle which favours the dogs depth big time. If he can just nullify Gawn it’ll be huge for the dogs.
Be interesting to see how he goes. He's traditionally struggled against Gawn in the ruck (as he does with most taller ruckman), but he's generally matched up well against him at ground level. Either way, he's got a far better shot than Young or English.
 

CarnTheScray

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To be fair Port fans have been generally the highlight of this thread. The Sydney, Saints and Essendon fans, and the weird MagpieJo should be embarrassed.
Didn’t look at my phone for the whole game but let me guess how this thread played out.

Essendon and Sydney fans sooked about umpires until it became clear Port were just getting destroyed, so then they just started saying “oh well Melbourne are going to thrash you anyway.”

Love that we are in the heads of these supporters.
 

Northernsoul74

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Be interesting to see how he goes. He's traditionally struggled against Gawn in the ruck (as he does with most taller ruckman), but he's generally matched up well against him at ground level. Either way, he's got a far better shot than Young or English.
I think you have to view it as Gawn and Jackson vs Martin and English. Without Martin it’s not pretty reading.
 

BEaston

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Dogs now the third team to make the GF outside the top 4, following the Dogs in 2016 and GWS in 2019.

It interesting that this has now happened 3 times in the last 6 seasons, when it never happened at all for the first 16 years of the current top 8 system (from 2000-2015).
It's because the comp has never been more even. Now that the expansion clubs have been weaned off their start up privileges, the difference between a good team and bad team is quite small. More generally, less games are required to make the 8 and fighting for positions goes all the way to the end of the season.
 

demondavey

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Dogs are going to be hard. They absolutely dismembered Port tonight. They have certainly toughened up a lot I feel since the end of the home and away season. They seem to have lifted their contested efforts. Really going to be a hard game. We will have to play out of our skin to beat them. Leaning towards them right now just due to their depth in the midfield and ability to spread and cover so much ground.
 

demondavey

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I think you have to view it as Gawn and Jackson vs Martin and English. Without Martin it’s not pretty reading.
It’s your midfield and the depth I am worried about. Your spread and ball movement is pretty impressive. Clearly the medium sized forwards working again. Incredibly nervous. Unfortunately not a lot of faith in Melbourne.

Geelong and Port are awful. No test at all.
 

Scotland

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I think you have to view it as Gawn and Jackson vs Martin and English. Without Martin it’s not pretty reading.
Dogs coaching staff should be watching the 2018 finals series. We had Lycett/Vardy going up against Grundy, Gawn, Grundy. Smashed in the hit outs in all 3 finals, won all 3 finals. Gawn and Grundy were both AA that year and didn't have much impact in those games. Martin has a real role to play that won't show up on the stat sheet.
 

greening22

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It’s your midfield and the depth I am worried about. Your spread and ball movement is pretty impressive. Clearly the medium sized forwards working again. Incredibly nervous. Unfortunately not a lot of faith in Melbourne.

Geelong and Port are awful. No test at all.
Perhaps if Port Adelaide had played in their so-called traditional PRISON STRIPED guernsey then they might have done better! Seriously, they are an absolute joke with numerous aging & non-performing finals players (Gray, Boak, Motlop, Dixon & others) & a coach who has been there 9 years & delivered nothing & tries to be a respected & wise & innovative & profound figure in the game. Where were the ground-breaking & game-changing moves coming from the Port Adelaide brains trust tonight. It is simply a sham that is only made worse by the erratic & inane & irrational outbursts of their "MORNING TV" president! Goodnight & goodluck.
 

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Flags_In_The_Bag

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Not a fan of overseas teams.....
Hannan was always a burst player at Melbourne. Looked a world beater for ten minutes, then a ghost for the rest of the game. He’s sustaining it tonight so far though.
He was injured a lot at Melbourne i believe, he has got his body right and looks stronger and faster now for it.
 

Lampers

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He was injured a lot at Melbourne i believe, he has got his body right and looks stronger and faster now for it.
His first couple of years at Melbourne he was pretty fit but his last couple it was rolling knee and groin problems, maybe a shoulder too.

Those injuries did seem to rob him of that point of difference zip that he seems to have regained.

I think it was Tom Morris who said Hannan didn’t want to leave Melbourne, which surprised me because I got the impression the Dogs chased him and lured him with more opportunity. Maybe both is true.

I’d struggle to see who he’d replace in Melbourne’s forward setup. Fritsch is better in the air and a more reliable kick. Pickett is better on the ground and provides more pressure. Spargo is a better kick, albeit with far less depth, and a better decision maker. Neal-Bullen has better endurance and is more flexible in the roles he can play. Hannan is a real in between guy, better than all those players except Pickett for physical explosiveness when fit, but not really outstanding at anything skills wise, and then a bit weak in a couple of areas too.
 

Flags_In_The_Bag

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His first couple of years at Melbourne he was pretty fit but his last couple it was rolling knee and groin problems, maybe a shoulder too.

Those injuries did seem to rob him of that point of difference zip that he seems to have regained.

I think it was Tom Morris who said Hannan didn’t want to leave Melbourne, which surprised me because I got the impression the Dogs chased him and lured him with more opportunity. Maybe both is true.

I’d struggle to see who he’d replace in Melbourne’s forward setup. Fritsch is better in the air and a more reliable kick. Pickett is better on the ground and provides more pressure. Spargo is a better kick, albeit with far less depth, and a better decision maker. Neal-Bullen has better endurance and is more flexible in the roles he can play. Hannan is a real in between guy, better than all those players except Pickett for physical explosiveness when fit, but not really outstanding at anything skills wise, and then a bit weak in a couple of areas too.
I heard the opposite, that he wanted to come to the Dogs.
 

The_Flying_Egg

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We beat them earlier in the season though. When our confidence is up we have the game style to trouble Dogs. Against the big, physical midfields like Swans, Tigers, Dees the Dogs can get physically manhandled and start committing errors.

That was a great win though. Full credit to the Dogs. And they will be a hard team to beat.
The Dogs midfield is big and physical, if the Dogs lose it won't be because of that
 

PCORF

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The first 5th place team to make the GF since 1998. The Bulldogs did it from one of the hardest positions knocking out the two teams (Brisbane and Port both on their subsequent home grounds) that cost them a top 4 spot along the way. They totally shut down Port's attack. That 1 point win in Brisbane could make all the difference, wins like that often do.
 

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