Autopsy AFL 2021 Round 13 - Swans v Hawks Fri June 11th 7:50pm EST (SCG)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Swans by a goal or less

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hawks by a goal or less

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Swans by 7 - 20

    Votes: 10 35.7%
  • Hawks by 7 - 20

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Swans by a lot

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • Hawks by a lot

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Draw

    Votes: 1 3.6%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .

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Ron The Bear

Up yer arse, AFL
Jul 4, 2006
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That was the worst umpired game i have ever seen yes worse than 2016 stuff.

Hawks far to good their pressure was incredible Newcombe had 14 tackles! insane should get a rising star for that alone.
Swans actually had more tackles.

According to BF lore, if you cop several such umpire shellackings and draw attention to it, you're whinging.
 

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HairyO

Brownlow Medallist
Jul 13, 2015
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That was more than a gift..it was blatant cheating ...it was like watching the Dogs get gifted a GF win
We are minus 1,000 free kicks over the last 75 years. Im not going to say no to charity.

And the only real howler was the deliberate we got when the ball was kicked 60+ metres and went over the line.
 

Ron The Bear

Up yer arse, AFL
Jul 4, 2006
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We were shafted 11 times this year. About time we got a gift from Papley abusing Razer and ensuring we won the free kick count.
Hawks up to #16 with a bullet.

Team
FF
FA
Diff
Western Bulldogs
239​
208​
+31​
Carlton
262​
237​
+25​
GWS Giants
218​
197​
+21​
North Melbourne
231​
212​
+19​
Adelaide
256​
239​
+17​
Essendon
229​
214​
+15​
Geelong
233​
225​
+8​
West Coast
208​
203​
+5​
Melbourne
242​
240​
+2​
Collingwood
217​
222​
-5​
Fremantle
211​
218​
-7​
Brisbane Lions
243​
251​
-8​
Port Adelaide
235​
245​
-10​
Sydney
251​
263​
-12​
Gold Coast
179​
192​
-13​
Hawthorn
219​
232​
-13​
St Kilda
208​
222​
-14​
Richmond
193​
249​
-56​
 

HairyO

Brownlow Medallist
Jul 13, 2015
25,421
27,372
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Hawks up to #16 with a bullet.

Team
FF
FA
Diff
Western Bulldogs
239​
208​
31​
Carlton
262​
237​
25​
GWS Giants
218​
197​
21​
North Melbourne
231​
212​
19​
Adelaide
256​
239​
17​
Essendon
229​
214​
15​
Geelong
233​
225​
8​
West Coast
208​
203​
5​
Melbourne
242​
240​
2​
Collingwood
217​
222​
-5​
Fremantle
211​
218​
-7​
Brisbane Lions
243​
251​
-8​
Port Adelaide
235​
245​
-10​
Sydney
251​
263​
-12​
Gold Coast
179​
192​
-13​
Hawthorn
219​
232​
-13​
St Kilda
208​
222​
-14​
Richmond
193​
249​
-56​
I do love your stats.
 

ashep

Premiership Player
Jun 15, 2014
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We are minus 1,000 free kicks over the last 75 years. Im not going to say no to charity.

And the only real howler was the deliberate we got when the ball was kicked 60+ metres and went over the line.
But that decision conversely makes the Mitchell non-deliberate just as much of a howler!

In any event the Hawks were too good across the park tonight but it's difficult not to feel frustrated when you don't feel like you had a fair chance to get back in the game.

The umpiring didn't impact the result, but it definitely impacted the game.
 

KAMSTAR HFC

Team Captain
Aug 15, 2007
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Some truly terrible umpiring, but nothing I haven't seen before. Hawks V Bombers round 1 was very similar.

There is no system for improvement with AFL umpiring.
Their performance is not reviewed in detail by the media.
No analysis on the decisions, paid or missed for each game.
There are howlers paid every minute, the commentary doesn't even know.
We look at the free count as a measure but that is not a true reflection.

Its increasingly frustrating to watch. Go watch some 80's and 90's footy for some perspective

IMO interpretation needs to be removed as much as possible. For example, deliberate out of bounds could easily be changed to the last person to touch the ball gives away a free like SANFL are doing. Also, umpires need to be made full-time and incentivized to perform.
 

RUNVS

Hall of Famer
Feb 28, 2007
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Some truly terrible umpiring, but nothing I haven't seen before. Hawks V Bombers round 1 was very similar.

There is no system for improvement with AFL umpiring.
Their performance is not reviewed in detail by the media.
No analysis on the decisions, paid or missed for each game.
There are howlers paid every minute, the commentary doesn't even know.
We look at the free count as a measure but that is not a true reflection.

Its increasingly frustrating to watch. Go watch some 80's and 90's footy for some perspective

IMO interpretation needs to be removed as much as possible. For example, deliberate out of bounds could easily be changed to the last person to touch the ball gives away a free like SANFL are doing. Also, umpires need to be made full-time and incentivized to perform.
Also the AFL deliberately hide the stats but I would be very interested in stats from individual umpires in terms of paying free kicks for and against various teams, as I am willing to bet we would see patterns emerging.
 

Young Gun #6

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Probably didn’t change the result in the end but wow it’s been a while since a team has blatantly gotten screwed by the umpires like Swans did.

No matter what they did they just would not pay holding the ball against the Hawks
 

SacksonvilleJags

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He's been the recruite of the year just having a bad day along with plenty of other swans
Yea I haven’t really watched the swans but just a few
You must not have watched any football this year. Certainly tonight Ceglar has worked him over a bit but he has been a massive plus for the Swans this year.
I really haven’t watched the Swans. I did ask the question if he was always this bad...kinda implies I haven’t been watching the swans.
 

The Sim Dog

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Probably didn’t change the result in the end but wow it’s been a while since a team has blatantly gotten screwed by the umpires like Swans did.

No matter what they did they just would not pay holding the ball against the Hawks
Definitely didn't effect the result. Was however a spiteful, disgraceful display. If the AFL admin were legit (which they aren't) they would be charging Ray for bringing the game into disrepute. Yes he was that bad. Can't have an ump conducting themselves like that.
 

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Strapping Young Lad

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Apr 19, 2006
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So last year when Clarko tried to do exactly that he was whinging, now the shoe is on the other foot something needs to be done about it?
amazing huh..

The hilarious part of this is that most people have heard that Horse writes a weekly letter to the AFL to ask them to look at specific umpiring decisions within his Swans games.

Its going to be a hell of a read this week. 😅
 

SunshineBoy

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Also the AFL deliberately hide the stats but I would be very interested in stats from individual umpires in terms of paying free kicks for and against various teams, as I am willing to bet we would see patterns emerging.
What are you saying, you’re not suggesting anything that the rest of us have known? I will raise your Razor with a Curtis and O’gorman
 

hk89

Norm Smith Medallist
Jul 12, 2009
8,035
9,726
Melbourne
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Hawthorn
Club
Avg Age
Avg Gms
Avg Gls
Avg Hgt
Avg Wgt
Syd
25.36​
102.5​
89.5​
187.5​
86.6​
Haw
25.72​
106.7​
70.7​
187.4​
86.3​
Can you outline why these age figures seem so different to the ones from here:
You've got us over 4 months older than Sydney, they've got us 6 months younger. It is not just about pre-match vs actual match teams because their pre-match still had us 2 months younger. Is it different accounting for the injury sub?
 

smasha

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Hawks up to #16 with a bullet.

Team
FF
FA
Diff
Western Bulldogs
239​
208​
+31​
Carlton
262​
237​
+25​
GWS Giants
218​
197​
+21​
North Melbourne
231​
212​
+19​
Adelaide
256​
239​
+17​
Essendon
229​
214​
+15​
Geelong
233​
225​
+8​
West Coast
208​
203​
+5​
Melbourne
242​
240​
+2​
Collingwood
217​
222​
-5​
Fremantle
211​
218​
-7​
Brisbane Lions
243​
251​
-8​
Port Adelaide
235​
245​
-10​
Sydney
251​
263​
-12​
Gold Coast
179​
192​
-13​
Hawthorn
219​
232​
-13​
St Kilda
208​
222​
-14​
Richmond
193​
249​
-56​
Look at us lol.
We finally got looked after for one match last week and the media whinge all week about it,amazing stuff.
Did the umps put their houses on the line at Sportsbet?
 

Crankyhawk

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 21, 2007
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Probably didn’t change the result in the end but wow it’s been a while since a team has blatantly gotten screwed by the umpires like Swans did.

No matter what they did they just would not pay holding the ball against the Hawks
There was one to the end of game where omeara bounced and was tackled (no interpretation needed) but agree it was very one sided more in what was not paid to Sydney and hawks got some technical ones.
 

Lionheart182

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Swans actually had more tackles.

According to BF lore, if you cop several such umpire shellackings and draw attention to it, you're whinging.
Whinging isn’t the right word IMO, it’s the idiotic tigers fans who suggest it’s some kind of AFL conspiracy that deserves to be called out.
 

Ron The Bear

Up yer arse, AFL
Jul 4, 2006
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Can you outline why these age figures seem so different to the ones from here:
You've got us over 4 months older than Sydney, they've got us 6 months younger. It is not just about pre-match vs actual match teams because their pre-match still had us 2 months younger. Is it different accounting for the injury sub?
Yeah one of the reasons is that I generally post the figures after teams have been named but before the injury sub has been chosen, i.e. for the 22 rather than the 23. Regarding the significant age difference here... I notice they don't have a DOB listed for Newcombe and suggest they're counting him as a zero.
 

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