Swans actually had more tackles.
According to BF lore, if you cop several such umpire shellackings and draw attention to it, you're whinging.
Autopsy AFL 2021 Round 13 - Swans v Hawks Fri June 11th 7:50pm EST (SCG)
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Swans actually had more tackles.
According to BF lore, if you cop several such umpire shellackings and draw attention to it, you're whinging.
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We were shafted 11 times this year. About time we got a gift from Papley abusing Razer and ensuring we won the free kick count.
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We are minus 1,000 free kicks over the last 75 years. Im not going to say no to charity.
And the only real howler was the deliberate we got when the ball was kicked 60+ metres and went over the line.
Hawks up to #16 with a bullet.
| Team | FF | FA | Diff |
| Western Bulldogs | 239 | 208 | +31 |
| Carlton | 262 | 237 | +25 |
| GWS Giants | 218 | 197 | +21 |
| North Melbourne | 231 | 212 | +19 |
| Adelaide | 256 | 239 | +17 |
| Essendon | 229 | 214 | +15 |
| Geelong | 233 | 225 | +8 |
| West Coast | 208 | 203 | +5 |
| Melbourne | 242 | 240 | +2 |
| Collingwood | 217 | 222 | -5 |
| Fremantle | 211 | 218 | -7 |
| Brisbane Lions | 243 | 251 | -8 |
| Port Adelaide | 235 | 245 | -10 |
| Sydney | 251 | 263 | -12 |
| Gold Coast | 179 | 192 | -13 |
| Hawthorn | 219 | 232 | -13 |
| St Kilda | 208 | 222 | -14 |
| Richmond | 193 | 249 | -56 |
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I do love your stats.
But that decision conversely makes the Mitchell non-deliberate just as much of a howler!
In any event the Hawks were too good across the park tonight but it's difficult not to feel frustrated when you don't feel like you had a fair chance to get back in the game.
The umpiring didn't impact the result, but it definitely impacted the game.
KAMSTAR HFC
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Some truly terrible umpiring, but nothing I haven't seen before. Hawks V Bombers round 1 was very similar.
There is no system for improvement with AFL umpiring.
Their performance is not reviewed in detail by the media.
No analysis on the decisions, paid or missed for each game.
There are howlers paid every minute, the commentary doesn't even know.
We look at the free count as a measure but that is not a true reflection.
Its increasingly frustrating to watch. Go watch some 80's and 90's footy for some perspective
IMO interpretation needs to be removed as much as possible. For example, deliberate out of bounds could easily be changed to the last person to touch the ball gives away a free like SANFL are doing. Also, umpires need to be made full-time and incentivized to perform.
There is no system for improvement with AFL umpiring.
Their performance is not reviewed in detail by the media.
No analysis on the decisions, paid or missed for each game.
There are howlers paid every minute, the commentary doesn't even know.
We look at the free count as a measure but that is not a true reflection.
Its increasingly frustrating to watch. Go watch some 80's and 90's footy for some perspective
IMO interpretation needs to be removed as much as possible. For example, deliberate out of bounds could easily be changed to the last person to touch the ball gives away a free like SANFL are doing. Also, umpires need to be made full-time and incentivized to perform.
Also the AFL deliberately hide the stats but I would be very interested in stats from individual umpires in terms of paying free kicks for and against various teams, as I am willing to bet we would see patterns emerging.
Probably didn’t change the result in the end but wow it’s been a while since a team has blatantly gotten screwed by the umpires like Swans did.
No matter what they did they just would not pay holding the ball against the Hawks
No matter what they did they just would not pay holding the ball against the Hawks
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Yea I haven’t really watched the swans but just a few
I really haven’t watched the Swans. I did ask the question if he was always this bad...kinda implies I haven’t been watching the swans.
Definitely didn't effect the result. Was however a spiteful, disgraceful display. If the AFL admin were legit (which they aren't) they would be charging Ray for bringing the game into disrepute. Yes he was that bad. Can't have an ump conducting themselves like that.
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amazing huh..
The hilarious part of this is that most people have heard that Horse writes a weekly letter to the AFL to ask them to look at specific umpiring decisions within his Swans games.
Its going to be a hell of a read this week.
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- Other teams?
Hawks have had a handful of worse umped games this year alone.
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What are you saying, you’re not suggesting anything that the rest of us have known? I will raise your Razor with a Curtis and O’gorman
Can you outline why these age figures seem so different to the ones from here:
AFL Match Statistics : Sydney defeated by Hawthorn at SCG Round 13 Friday, 11th June 2021
Sydney defeated by Hawthorn at SCG Round 13 Friday, 11th June 2021 AFL match statistics
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I didn't hear horse whinge about the umps
smasha
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Look at us lol.
We finally got looked after for one match last week and the media whinge all week about it,amazing stuff.
Did the umps put their houses on the line at Sportsbet?
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There was one to the end of game where omeara bounced and was tackled (no interpretation needed) but agree it was very one sided more in what was not paid to Sydney and hawks got some technical ones.
Whinging isn’t the right word IMO, it’s the idiotic tigers fans who suggest it’s some kind of AFL conspiracy that deserves to be called out.
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remember the brisbane game! neutrals even noticed.
Yeah one of the reasons is that I generally post the figures after teams have been named but before the injury sub has been chosen, i.e. for the 22 rather than the 23. Regarding the significant age difference here... I notice they don't have a DOB listed for Newcombe and suggest they're counting him as a zero.
Well there's that too.
