Autopsy AFL 2021 Round 14 - Suns v Port Sat June 19th 1:45pm EST (Metricon)

[Black Saab]

While Port >>> Suns, this is still a crap, crap result especially given last week.

What the hell do you do with them? Their off-field KPI's are actually decent too so kicking them out would not be the right approach for footy in Queensland.

This aggressive attempt to steal into the Qld rugby market is a total failure. AFL should pack the Sun's in and get serious about Tassie.

 

[Chaisa]

Is the city itself the reason they are so poor though?

Surely they're not being instructed to not apply any pressure and not to run hard.

What do you mean?

 

[fishardansin]

Two take home messages from this game.

1. Port are flat track bullies.

2. No one gives a s**t about Gold Coast or GWS and the AFL has wasted many millions of dollars compromising the draft so that team rebuilding in the 2008-2015 years were screwed over.

 

[Farang83150]

Even the port players look bored

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

Gold Coast is depressingly awful.

Despite the undeniable high-end young talent, they look to have no motivation, enthusiasm or sense of teamwork.

If Lukosious and another youngster leaves then they're seriously ****ed. Why would you stay with this club beyond the age of 24 if you're a half decent player?

 

[Shinboner '07]

Port biggest flat track bullies

 

[HotSausage69]

Gold Coast....
Shocking Guernsey, poor development, bad player retention. Did I just see Kurt Tippett on the bench as an assistant coach? I'd be pretty confident in saying he's there for the surf and an easy pay day.
There has been absolutely no intensity from them today, Touk Miller aside. But who cares?

 

[Rob]

What do you mean?

If you're suggesting to fold the club and leave the city, that suggests that the city is incapable of hosting a competent AFL club. As if there's something about the city that results in otherwise decent AFL players becoming lazy and generally s**t.

Alternatively, what's the reason why they're so poor? Bad coaching?

 

[Chaisa]

This aggressive attempt to steal into the Qld rugby market is a total failure. AFL should pack the Sun's in and get serious about Tassie.

See I'm a bit of "porque no los dos?" about this (as in I think a Tassie team and a Gold Coast team can coexist). And I'm far from convinced Tassie would be significantly stronger of an expansion club (with the caveat that they probably would look at GWS as a state of building rather than what the hell the Suns has done) - it's not a massive growth market, it's not a great recruiting area and are people from Tasmania guaranteed to jump ship.

I'm losing faith by the day though. The only good thing about this season for them has been "well they've at least done well against the s**t teams", the last two weeks would suggest that North are probably favourites next week. And losing that one would be disasterous.

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

I'd like to see Gold Coast rebrand it's logo/uniform and in turn its identity.

It may seem like a superficial thing, but the club needs to break their identity of the first decade.

The players need an identity to play for. You've got a great set of young players, but they don't have a brand or motivation to play for.

 

[Chaisa]

If you're suggesting to fold the club and leave the city, that suggests that the city is incapable of hosting a competent AFL club. As if there's something about the city that results in otherwise decent AFL players becoming lazy and generally sh*t.

Alternatively, what's the reason why they're so poor? Bad coaching?

Ehhh I'm not suggesting that, though Gold Coast has been a death zone for other sporting organisations admittedly. Plenty of others are, though.

Reasons why they're bad are plentiful, but I think it's a case of:

1. Rebuilds are hard. They pretty much hit ground zero in 2018/19, and had close to zero top-tier experienced heads at the time. Even North now have a couple of class veterans.
2. Recruited weirdly. Let go of Lyons. They could've kept Barlow as an on-field leader (who came from a stronger club than Swallow/Day/etc.) Lost a staring contest for Weller. The guys they signed mostly had marginal upside and weren't ever elite. Should've tried to pull a Hodge rather than give 4 years to Rory Atkins. Or tried to get a genuine star across (though granted they might have but no-one was interested).
3. Lack of development. This is a tricky one to decipher, but with the exception of King and Bowes most of their kids seem to have stagnated.....admittedly there's still time but Luko and Rankine just aren't kicking on, same applies for Ainsworth. Even Anderson has cooled off after a strong start to the year. I'll be kind on Rowell as he's only just coming back from effectively back-to-back serious impact injuries.

I think those are the three main ones.

 

[Chaisa]

I'd like to see Gold Coast rebrand it's logo/uniform and in turn its identity.

It may seem like a superficial thing, but the club needs to break their identity of the first decade.

The players need an identity to play for. You've got a great set of young players, but they don't have a brand or motivation to play for.

Yeah their guernsey is pretty s**t. It's not even a "bad colour combo" like Hawthorn's, it just feels plastic and hollow as hell.

 

[The 747]

FTB gonna FTB, Suns disappointing as usual

 

[Billy ray]

When I die I want the SUNS to lower me into my grave so they can let me down one last time …..

 

[freddy mercury]

Really feel for Miller, he is 25 coming into to his prime, I hope he doesn't waste his prime years playing for The Suns. He will walk into any side in the top 4 and be a role player and make their side instantly better. He is wasting his time there.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

I don't know if living, training, and playing in the Gold Coast would make you 'feel' as though you are a professional footballer. The oval (and I love it as a spectator) might feel like a novelty ground and make the club feel it lacks permanency.

I don't know if the high on- and off- turnover make the club feel it lacks permanency.

I don't know if the constant media and public speculation of the clubs future make the club feel it lacks permanency.

I know it would feel like that to me. The first three can be readily fixed with a bit of cash, better planning, and some off field specialists. The last one will be fixed if the first two are.

On todays game: we are not very good, Gold Coast are dog s**t.

 

[Rob]

Ehhh I'm not suggesting that, though Gold Coast has been a death zone for other sporting organisations admittedly. Plenty of others are, though.

Reasons why they're bad are plentiful, but I think it's a case of:

1. Rebuilds are hard. They pretty much hit ground zero in 2018/19, and had close to zero top-tier experienced heads at the time. Even North now have a couple of class veterans.
2. Recruited weirdly. Let go of Lyons. They could've kept Barlow as an on-field leader (who came from a stronger club than Swallow/Day/etc.) Lost a staring contest for Weller. The guys they signed mostly had marginal upside and weren't ever elite. Should've tried to pull a Hodge rather than give 4 years to Rory Atkins. Or tried to get a genuine star across (though granted they might have but no-one was interested).
3. Lack of development. This is a tricky one to decipher, but with the exception of King and Bowes most of their kids seem to have stagnated.....admittedly there's still time but Luko and Rankine just aren't kicking on, same applies for Ainsworth. Even Anderson has cooled off after a strong start to the year. I'll be kind on Rowell as he's only just coming back from effectively back-to-back serious impact injuries.

I think those are the three main ones.

I agree, certainly with point 2. It's like they've been aiming to go straight from being complete s**t to a flag when they really need to just aim to be competitive first. And you don't do that by getting rid of competent players in favour of kids with no track record.

But otherwise none of that has anything to do with the city. Past history indicates that they'll get good support if they're competitive, but this sort of footy tells fans that the players don't care. Nothing annoys supporters more than that.

 

[Pleasedonot]

I'd like to see Gold Coast rebrand it's logo/uniform and in turn its identity.

It may seem like a superficial thing, but the club needs to break their identity of the first decade.

The players need an identity to play for. You've got a great set of young players, but they don't have a brand or motivation to play for.

It's just about the worst logo I have seen in any context. The thought that some design company were no doubt paid an insane amount of money to come up with THAT....

 

[Cool Kangas]

Hmm. I’m guessing we might get our second win next week.

 

[HG Pennypacker]

The Suns are hopeless. Port Adelaide barely out of first gear

 

[Pleasedonot]

It is such a travesty that any young player should have to have years of their fleeting career wasted at GC

 

[Rob]

Touk Miller is going to need back surgery after this game after carrying 21 blokes

 

[Ron The Bear]

Healy was right when he called them the Gold campaigners.

 

[HairyO]

Gold Coast is depressingly awful.

Despite the undeniable high-end young talent, they look to have no motivation, enthusiasm or sense of teamwork.

Massively paid young men with zero accountability.

 

[HG Pennypacker]

Port biggest flat track bullies

What are the supposed to do? Not win?