Autopsy AFL 2022 First Qualifying Final - Cats v Pies Sat Sept 3rd 4:35pm EST (MCG)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Cats by a goal or less

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Pies by a goal or less

    Votes: 48 19.8%
  • Cats by 7 - 20

    Votes: 52 21.5%
  • Pies by 7 - 20

    Votes: 32 13.2%
  • Cats by a lot

    Votes: 89 36.8%
  • Pies by a lot

    Votes: 11 4.5%
  • Draw

    Votes: 5 2.1%

  • Total voters
    242
  • Poll closed .

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z547043

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Hopefully the MRO actually reviews this now the media is onto it


little rat campaigner deserves a holiday
Goes back to my previous post about his antics. Standing over the ball. Ripping Rohan off a tackle and wrenching at his arm literally a nanosecond after a ball up was called. I understand he is a low possession player, so he needs to make his impact felt, but does he need to constantly involve himself in this shithousery. Surely, there’s some leadership at Collingwood that gets around him and says just focus on the footy. Or is this his own doing? Who knows? But like I said to PieLebo87, (who is a quality poster) Jack and the club need to help themselves before the AFL and umpires can. He can’t expect protection when he constantly finds himself in these controversies. And I don’t expect any punishment from that tackle nor think there should be any, but it’s more shenanigans that are unnecessary. Just my take 👍
 

gouki88

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I just can't fathom that you're defending someone for trying to injure another player. Even the other Collingwood blokes in here aren't defending it.
This is some quality pearl clutching
 

Corn Cobbers

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Goes back to my previous post about his antics. Standing over the ball. Ripping Rohan off a tackle and wrenching at his arm literally a nanosecond after a ball up was called. I understand he is a low possession player, so he needs to make his impact felt, but does he need to constantly involve himself in this shithousery. Surely, there’s some leadership at Collingwood that gets around him and says just focus on the footy. Or is this his own doing? Who knows? But like I said to PieLebo87, (who is a quality poster) Jack and the club need to help themselves before the AFL and umpires can. He can’t expect protection when he constantly finds himself in these controversies. Just my take 👍
He has certainly mastered the darkest arts early in his career, sometimes to his own detriment. But geez what a season, he's had some huge games including ANZAC Day and the final game against Carlton. I wouldn't swap him for anyone, he's a very important player.
 

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z547043

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He has certainly mastered the darkest arts early in his career, sometimes to his own detriment. But geez what a season, he's had some huge games including ANZAC Day and the final game against Carlton. I wouldn't swap him for anyone, he's a very important player.
Agreed. But at least for your sakes, I hope he matures the next few years and I’m sure he will. Pendles is a class act. He needs to take him under his wing.
 

Saint

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He has certainly mastered the darkest arts early in his career, sometimes to his own detriment. But geez what a season, he's had some huge games including ANZAC Day and the final game against Carlton. I wouldn't swap him for anyone, he's a very important player.
I dunno, I reckon Pies supporters were a lot more cock-a-hoop about Jaidyn Stephenson. And didn't that turn out well for everyone.

Ginnivan is a poor-man's Stevie Milne.
 

Seedsfan

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Danger is a ******* sook, grow a set campaigner. You don’t see Jack sooking to the media about Tuohy dragging him down in a headlock off the ball.
 

MisterMarcus

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Pages and pages of melts over 2 full days was "just fishing" was it? :confusedv1:
 

Wojcinski

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Danger is a ******* sook, grow a set campaigner. You don’t see Jack sooking to the media about Tuohy dragging him down in a headlock off the ball.
Danger speaking to his club after another player tried to break his arm is sooking to the media now? Maybe he should just play the mental health card instead
 

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Chief

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Can't believe you responded.

Big Footy poster Wojcinski taking up plenty of space rent free in your head.
Oh my God can we stop these dumb "hur hur rent free" responses when someone posts in a thread?

It's so ******* boring and stupid. It's trolling. It adds nothing. It tells everyone else you have no response.
 
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Ricky Vaughn

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Oh my God can we stop these dumb "hur hur rent free" responses when someone posts in a thread?

It's so ******* boring and stupid. It's trolling. It adds nothing. It tells everyone else you have no response.

Either you and I are making the exact same point just in a different way, or I'm actually living rent free in Chief's head.
 

Seedsfan

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I imagine it was just Ginnivan having a sook when Switkowski chicken winged him then?
If you can’t see the difference you are kidding yourself. Danger loves to sook laid down like he was dead last time we played.

A. Ginivan never complain about anything Switta did.

B. Ginivan takes the arm like you are supposed to as the only way you can get rid of it there is by hand balling. If you want to be critical of any Collingwood player there it’s Tay Adams actions of diving into his back that is the issue
 

Wojcinski

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If you can’t see the difference you are kidding yourself. Danger loves to sook laid down like he was dead last time we played.

A. Ginivan never complain about anything Switta did.

B. Ginivan takes the arm like you are supposed to as the only way you can get rid of it there is by hand balling. If you want to be critical of any Collingwood player there it’s Tay Adams actions of diving into his back that is the issue
Funnily enough there are several other Collingwood posters who don't share your opinion at all, only one other poster is even trying to defend him and I'm still pretty shocked that you're trying to blame anyone other than Ginnivan. Just count your lucky stars the MRO missed the blonde muppets antics this time because now that the media has spotlighted it he won't get away with it again.
 

JoondalupJ

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Good game to watch as a neutral
I'm a neutral, and the game in all was good, but the umpiring?? Those frees that WEREN'T called was a killer , and only one of them benefitted,
that's the one that won.
It doesn't have to be much to change or pull up a momentum but out on the full deliberate is a killer free for an umpire,and Geelong got three of them, when the kicker was always under serious pressure, gets a kick away and the umpire decides he can read some ones mind as to his intention.
Its one of those little advantages that can cruel a game for a side, just change one minuscule instance and gives an advantage

That is why the free kick argument and the rules changed over years, is such a bewildering thing to make a pointon, I saw several free kicks that were uncalled,maybe a final,butwhy not both ways. The count of frees sometimes becomes irrelevant, because the frees that are missed/left alone/ ignored are where unfairness begins to guide the sport in a direction it was never meant to go, and that is umpire decided outcomes.
One major point I'll make after my post game rave earlier this weekend, that is the Ginnivan incident which saw a turn around in a good play from Geelong BUT it put the ball where it should not have been, with a Geelong player having a shot at goal and he scored the goal.

My beef and fury is because, seconds before I watched as a Geelong defender blatantly and clearly visible, in wide open space of the forward fifty for Collingwood, pushed Ginnivan as cleanly in the back as I have ever seen, he went flying forward after his feet were OFF the ground. No free kick for in the back, even if the umpire may not like the player or even have an inkling its fake, this one WASN'T! But that should not come into it.
He is cheeky and gets knocked around for it, but he SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE KICKING FOR GOAL! Not Geelong.

The momentum changed and I think for a few seconds the Pies dropped their guard and Geelong in fact may have been heading to take the lead?
That is a missed free kick, giving Geelong a score advantage because of a missed but blatant push in the back. Happened at the other end of the ground , there are 3 field umpires for heavens sake.

Remember who ever wants to respond to me feel free. It only takes 2 or 3 more missed incidents that go only one way, to kill off a confidence or create a momentum drop off, and change the score, not from merit, but from an umpire, there was merit in the play down the ground to Geelong the kick on goal was true!
Me I saw it as a giveaway, when the goal should have been the chance to score for Collingwood, anyone who disagrees with what happened who says they watched the match DIDN'T watch it.
I said in my last long comment that I had several people watching the game, and we're all Hawthorn people, the yelling and high pitched bitching od people in the room calling out frees uncalled, well that is the truth, and it seems to me that for some strange reason Geelong and the WCE get the rub.

I saw the Prelim Nth v WCE several years back where North jumped the Eagles early and were on the way to a crushing first quarter, all of a sudden no less but maybe more , three free kicks to the Eagles turned the game on its head, all of them debatable and some crowd induced I am sure. But that maybe my bias.
The WCE did it again in 2018 when an umpire could not decide whether he was calling ablock or a shepherd or what ever, that was commented on the air waves TV,it was a wrong call, got the winner , where I believe it should have been going in the other direction. Umpire judgement or mistake, it pinched the game , if anything it should have been a ball up. Inever forget these things, and I watch for it closely because since Hocking and rules and other committee members started mangling and yearly changing rules, the game has become amess of free kick arguments and unfairness.

I also go to things like deliberate out of bounds, scrap that rule, out on the full is enough ,cameras for goals should be scrapped, if anyone read what I said about the ball from Lynch when filmed was over the post, there is no way in hell that that stop start film could prove either way, because the ball was way way past the vertical over the top of the goal post, yet it was called as over the direct top when it was impossible with cameras working on light reflection and with the goal umpire calling it a goal. That camera crew could not have been absolutely correct, so benefit of the doubt equals umpires call.
Which it should have been that was not a human eye on a film call it was not clear, and it lost the game for Richmond!

Those who bother to read my stuff may have an idea why I am so damned disappointed with how the game is umpired and ruled, and the umpires are not to blame.
It is the AFL administration and it greying of the rules over years, to a point where adjudication takes over where over complicated rules ruin plays, at least the Selwood duck and arm lift have been left alone, mostly.
So this is what I see, and it is the changes , some good, most changes making the game what it is not supposed to be, and right now it is at a point where we have to leave it alone and perhaps remove some of the more ridiculous Basketball typed foul frees, also black and white so as Umpires do not miss out on paying for frees that stare them in the face.
I'll call it Ginnivan/Hawkins Syndrome. Number one is Ginnivan a victim, last weekend, the other, Tom Hawkins champion I know that, but he is so guilty of push in the back for shots on goal, he has to be an example.
So is there NO PUSH IN THE BACK RULE NOW??

That's it, it is not an overblown whinge, it happens in football matches on TV every damned week, its mostly fine but as Isaid one or two or three missed calls or stupid rule inflicted free kicks run the sport, they shouldn't. 3 Umpires, what is this two finals last weekend dodgy calls and cameras , we all know about the camera bulldust!