Autopsy AFL 2025 Rd 10 - Suns v Hawks - Thurs May 15th 7:30pm AEST (TIO)

[Mr Meow]

Definitely not hypocrisy when you’re blatantly missing my point.

Hahahahhaha nah I am good

Finally.

Your replies have degenerated into deranged nonsense anyway.

 

[Mr Meow]

My like isn’t an agree as such as a respect for your countering opinion

No problemo.

I wish people could have discussions without the "you're clueless, you don't know what you're seeing, you clearly don't watch our games properly" stuff. It's ad hom disguised as debate and comes across as someone having a tantrum. It is possible to describe your perspective without it.

 

[Sherrinator]

Yeah be vocal on big footy in a random game day thread I’m sure the afl will look and listen

So you admit that your team has a culture problem?

 

[My_Username]

Yeah be vocal on big footy in a random game day thread I’m sure the afl will look and listen

Nah, the AFL wont care about that.

But we know the media reads BF, gets some of their ideas from it, and pushes other ideas because they think they have traction because they get similar comments here.

So, given that the Media are already commenting on this, having it covered on BF is likely to encourage them to talk about it more.

THAT the AFL are known to listen to.

 

[extractasam]

Nah, the AFL wont care about that.

But we know the media reads BF, gets some of their ideas from it, and pushes other ideas because they think they have traction because they get similar comments here.

So, given that the Media are already commenting on this, having it covered on BF is likely to encourage them to talk about it more.

THAT the AFL are known to listen to.

Bro really believes whinging about umpires on bigfooty could change rules in the AFL…

You and coasters7 need to get together and do some brainstorming would be keen to hear how it goes

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Nah, the AFL wont care about that.

But we know the media reads BF, gets some of their ideas from it, and pushes other ideas because they think they have traction because they get similar comments here.

So, given that the Media are already commenting on this, having it covered on BF is likely to encourage them to talk about it more.

THAT the AFL are known to listen to.

It was obviously sarcastic.

I doubt media are looking at game day threads, if anything more likely to be on club boards or discussion chats.

Even then the media wouldn’t care about people complaining of umpires because it’s been going on forever, different teams with # free kick whoever and bitching when it’s not your team.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

So you admit that your team has a culture problem?

No im being sarcastic.

I think a lot of players in the league look for free kicks, Hawthorns versions of this are just younger generally and more vocal, especially if they do something well they’ll let everyone know. Which I like, but then instead of looking at x brilliant thing it’s about the free kick that may or may not be there.

Ginnivan doesn’t do it nearly as much as he use to and his workrate was key in a good 20 and 2 performance. Watson lit it up and he’s a different one as he’s shorter and more powerful, so tends to drive and power through tackles which often due to his height and centre of gravity, go high. Moore is just a tough nut tho who throws himself into packs and is going to cop it high if the tackle isn’t correct.

Not saying they don’t ever do it but it’s wildly overplayed.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Finally.

Your replies have degenerated into deranged nonsense anyway.

And you’re one to say “being petty” or falling back to a stupid comment when you don’t understand. You missed my point.

Go like idk feed your kids or something (this is obviously sarcasm and rage bait just so you know and don’t get upset)

 

[Mr Meow]

And you’re one to say “being petty” or falling back to a stupid comment when you don’t understand. You missed my point.

Go like idk feed your kids or something (this is obviously sarcasm and rage bait just so you know and don’t get upset)

I didn't, but at this point for your sanity I am considering pretending that I missed your point, with a declaration that Newcombe is the most skilled player in the league.

This isn't rage bait, but you're allowed to get upset.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I didn't, but at this point for your sanity I am considering pretending that I missed your point, with a declaration that Newcombe is the most skilled player in the league.

This isn't rage bait, but you're allowed to get upset.

I know you missed my point because what you said back to me about what you thought I said wasn’t what I actually said or meant

 

[Mr Meow]

I know you missed my point because what you said back to me about what you thought I said wasn’t what I actually said or meant

Nope, but you can keep telling yourself that. Denial is a hell of a drug.

 

[RCAB]

I know you missed my point because what you said back to me about what you thought I said wasn’t what I actually said or meant

You're dealing with someone whose narcissism eventually drowns out any genuine football conversation.

Everyone knows how good Newcombe is at Hawthorn — probably our best player right now. He’s an elite kick, especially inside 50, and when Day is out, he cops the full tagging treatment. Doesn’t matter. He still breaks even or wins, and more importantly, he drives wins with toughness and skill.

This year, among the top 20 ranked mids in the league, Newcombe ranks 4th for Threat Rating — measuring kicks that directly turn into goals — performing 5.6% above expected value.

The only other “bulls” who are outperforming him in this metric are Heeney and Bontempelli. And Bont’s only played four games this season.

If you include last year’s data, Newcombe kicked the ball better than Bont. So since 2024... only Heeney is kicking the ball better as that an inside bull player. There's probably a few reasons why Hawthorn were premiership favourite up until Day was injured, but it's lost on the Bay 14 posts in here dressed up cogent analysis.

 

[GC2015]

You realise that the reason some of those sides aren’t in the top 6 is because we actually beat them?

Don't flatter yourself that much. That only applies to GWS, and the Giants have also played other top 6 teams Collingwood, Adelaide and the Bulldogs so far this season. They've had a much harder draw than Hawthorn. Just like the Suns have.

If you don't want to accept that Hawthorn had a soft draw in the first 9 weeks of the season then you're in denial. The next month will be very telling and we're going to find out over the next 4 weeks if Hawthorn are a legit top 4 team or if they've just been given a soft draw that allowed them to rack up wins against lesser opposition.

 

[SA HAWK]

Don't flatter yourself that much. That only applies to GWS, and the Giants have also played other top 6 teams Collingwood, Adelaide and the Bulldogs so far this season. They've had a much harder draw than Hawthorn. Just like the Suns have.

If you don't want to accept that Hawthorn had a soft draw in the first 9 weeks of the season then you're in denial. The next month will be very telling and we're going to find out over the next 4 weeks if Hawthorn are a legit top 4 team or if they've just been given a soft draw that allowed them to rack up wins against lesser opposition.

True as we will find out about the Suns when you eventually play some better teams away.

Sure you have played some of the better teams we haven't yet (Crows, Dogs & Lions) with a significant homeground advantage apart from Brisbane.

A bullshit umpiring decision cost the Crows the game against you and both Dogs & Hawks got pretty close against a very significant advantage.

You have definitely improved i a m just not sure how much.

Couldn't even beat Richmond away.

Not sold on either of our teams just yet.

 

[Mr Meow]

You're dealing with someone whose narcissism eventually drowns out any genuine football conversation.

Everyone knows how good Newcombe is at Hawthorn — probably our best player right now. He’s an elite kick, especially inside 50, and when Day is out, he cops the full tagging treatment. Doesn’t matter. He still breaks even or wins, and more importantly, he drives wins with toughness and skill.

This year, among the top 20 ranked mids in the league, Newcombe ranks 4th for Threat Rating — measuring kicks that directly turn into goals — performing 5.6% above expected value.

The only other “bulls” who are outperforming him in this metric are Heeney and Bontempelli. And Bont’s only played four games this season.

If you include last year’s data, Newcombe kicked the ball better than Bont. So since 2024... only Heeney is kicking the ball better as that an inside bull player. There's probably a few reasons why Hawthorn were premiership favourite up until Day was injured, but it's lost on the Bay 14 posts in here dressed up cogent analysis.

I said Newcombe's an excellent, elite player with decent rather than outstanding skills/ball use. Not an especially controversial opinion.

His scoreboard impact (goals, goal assists and score involvements as a collective) amounts to solid rather than super damaging for an attacking midfielder who rotates forward. This is true for season 2025 or the last 3 seasons as a whole. His decision making can be excellent at times, but is far from immaculate.

Attribute wise I rate his ball winning, toughness and gut running more than his kicking execution. It's fine to disagree and I won't resort to your ad hom meltdowns in response.

 

[RCAB]

I said Newcombe's an excellent, elite player with decent rather than outstanding skills/ball use.

I don't need to read the rest of the post.

Clueless.

 

[GC2015]

True as we will find out about the Suns when you eventually play some better teams away.

Sure you have played some of the better teams we haven't yet (Crows, Dogs & Lions) with a significant homeground advantage apart from Brisbane.

A bullshit umpiring decision cost the Crows the game against you and both Dogs & Hawks got pretty close against a very significant advantage.

You have definitely improved i a m just not sure how much.

Couldn't even beat Richmond away.

Not sold on either of our teams just yet.

You can choose to look at it that way, if you want to. I tend to believe that good teams usually play well regardless of where the game takes place and to get wins over top 6 teams virtually always requires maximum effort. I also think it's fair to say that we likely would've lost the Crows, Dogs and Hawks games last year. So therein lies the improvement from my perspective and I think we've earned our top 4 position based on results to date. The real challenge is to keep that up over the course of 23 rounds.

I could take a page out of your book and suggest three of Hawthorn's next four games will take place at their own home ground of the MCG (with the fourth taking place at Marvel) and therefore it won't mean as much if they win those games, but I'm not going to do that because I believe wins over top 6 teams like Brisbane or Adelaide are impressive, even if they do take place at the MCG. So let's see what the Hawks are really made of. A season defining month of footy to decide whether they're contenders or pretenders this year.

 

[Mr Meow]

I don't need to read the rest of the post.

Clueless.

The top and bottom 10 kicks in the AFL in 2025

Who are the best and worst kicks in the AFL?

www.sen.com.au

Where's Jai?

Amon and Massimo are examples of elite kicks and ball users at Hawthorn. Newcombe is one of many Hawks whose skills are decent - not outstanding.

Day is more damaging with ball in hand, he just gets less of it.

Now roll out another ad hom like "clueless" to neatly concede again.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Nope, but you can keep telling yourself that. Denial is a hell of a drug.

Me Meow meet

you can keep telling yourself that. Denial is a hell of a drug.

You talk to yourself better

 

[Dewyyyyy]

You're dealing with someone whose narcissism eventually drowns out any genuine football conversation.

Everyone knows how good Newcombe is at Hawthorn — probably our best player right now. He’s an elite kick, especially inside 50, and when Day is out, he cops the full tagging treatment. Doesn’t matter. He still breaks even or wins, and more importantly, he drives wins with toughness and skill.

This year, among the top 20 ranked mids in the league, Newcombe ranks 4th for Threat Rating — measuring kicks that directly turn into goals — performing 5.6% above expected value.

The only other “bulls” who are outperforming him in this metric are Heeney and Bontempelli. And Bont’s only played four games this season.

If you include last year’s data, Newcombe kicked the ball better than Bont. So since 2024... only Heeney is kicking the ball better as that an inside bull player. There's probably a few reasons why Hawthorn were premiership favourite up until Day was injured, but it's lost on the Bay 14 posts in here dressed up cogent analysis.

I remember the year before last too and last year he was highly rated as an inside 50 kick with efficiency, mark retention and scoring. Thanks for finding the data, I couldn’t remember where I had seen it tbh.

I wouldn’t say he’s elite but he’s definitely a very good kick, I’d say the elite kicks are those who are consistently hitting targets no matter what and their damage is high. You have multiple types of kickers, high retention low threat, high threat low retention and the mix of both, efficiency and consistency aswell. Newcombe has been high threat with high retention, but at times his consistency can falter, which is usually when the teams playing bad, because he is (generally the heart of the midfield.) but it is made heaps easier with Day to help, and rotations.

 

[Mr Meow]

Me Meow meet


You talk to yourself better

Your most clever post of the entire exchange. Gold star.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Your most clever post of the entire exchange. Gold star.

I love how egotistical you are, it’s lovely and refreshing

 

[Mr Meow]

I love how egotistical you are, it’s lovely and refreshing

If you love it, then you can explain it. Ad hom works much better for you than discussing football by the way. Play to your strengths. Those would be insulting people and trolling. Both of which diminish your attempts at dismissing everything I said regarding Newcombe.

You even just admitted he wasn't an elite kick, which was my main point. "Decent-very good" fits his ball use better than "elite, devastating, immaculate, top-top-top tier".

 

[ReturningHawk]

So you admit that your team has a culture problem?

You’ve got be joking. Brisbane giving the lectures on cultural problems now, are they? Think a few players might’ve left their notebooks in Vegas.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Don't flatter yourself that much. That only applies to GWS, and the Giants have also played other top 6 teams Collingwood, Adelaide and the Bulldogs so far this season. They've had a much harder draw than Hawthorn. Just like the Suns have.

Well played yesterday and all that, but if you’re going to start saying your club has had a tough draw then we really have to draw a line.