Autopsy AFL 2025 Round 1 - Tigers v Blues Thurs March 13th 7:30pm AEDT (MCG)

[Partridge]

Somehow i have managed to have a lot of friends who are Tigers supporters, (poor misguided fools) they had no confidence going into this game and were just hoping they were not going to get flogged. That of course should've happened, but Voss is not yet the boss of the Blues and they have a lot of problems. The Tigers may not win many more games, but they will be more than a headache on the odd occasion this year. The Blues on the other hand will struggle and have no one searching for the panadol!. Lalor, Trainor, Blight, Armstrong, Mansell are good players.

While no one would have planned for Richmond to be where they are (I'm completely unconvinced that any club needs to bottom out, but sometimes crap happens and you end up in that spot), there can be a benefit having a lot of young players given opportunities. The enthusiasm and energy immediately goes up, and critically, Yze had them simply all doing a role. Plus after quarter time they just worked harder.

Looking through the stats afterwards, unsurprisingly those who the most all game impact were more experienced. Jack Ross has now played 71 games, right where intermittent performance can start to translate to consistent performance (if he's good enough). That's the best game I've ever seen him play. Same for Miller, and I'm sure he copped it early on from Richmond fans. Thomson Dow has now played 35 games and clearly looks like there's something to work with. So just from those three, yet again, maybe 5 games isn't near enough to work out how good someone is, and it takes 30-50 games before you really get an indication.

They're still going to be down the ladder, they're going to cop some beltings, and the young guys will all have stinkers on occasion. But it's not unreasonable to think what they all need now is another 40-50 games to be much more seasoned and competitive.

 

[sabso]

the amount of work the blues make Cripps do is amazing.
man carries the team with very little support- making him ruck is playing with trouble.

He does it for the Brownlows

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Carlton have a culture of going for saviour players and coaches. It's a shallow, lazy way of trying to win without building properly. The easy sugar hit, and in a time of salary caps it's beyond stupid.

Yet their fans eat it up year after year. A champion team always beats a team of champions.

Their club culture is try chase an elite player for every role, but could you imagine their scoring ability if you replaced literally any three non-key forwards with Brad Close, Shaun Mannagh and Gryan Miers? None of whom are on big coin or cost early picks to get.

They have one of the easiest problems to solve on paper but they consistently fail to do it.

 

[beema limapep]

Their club culture is try chase an elite player for every role, but could you imagine their scoring ability if you replaced literally any three non-key forwards with Brad Close, Shaun Mannagh and Gryan Miers? None of whom are on big coin or cost early picks to get.

They have one of the easiest problems to solve on paper but they consistently fail to do it.

And it's down to arrogance or stupidity. Or both.

Outside of their top 4 or 5 players, they are truly liabilities at worst and bog average at best.

They think they have one of the best lists based on those 4 or 5 players, but ignore player 6 to 23 and 24 to 36.

Absolute suckers to believe it.

Like building a flash looking house on rotten foundations.

 

[Pistol Night]

And it's down to arrogance or stupidity. Or both.

Outside of their top 4 or 5 players, they are truly liabilities at worst and bog average at best.

They think they have one of the best lists based on those 4 or 5 players, but ignore player 6 to 23 and 24 to 36.

Absolute suckers to believe it.

Like building a flash looking house on rotten foundations.

Their list has reminded me at times of my first foray into Supercoach years ago. Blow 90% of my cap on 8 guns and then 16 rookies on $92,500 to fill the squad

 

[FootyLad0]

Their club culture is try chase an elite player for every role, but could you imagine their scoring ability if you replaced literally any three non-key forwards with Brad Close, Shaun Mannagh and Gryan Miers? None of whom are on big coin or cost early picks to get.

They have one of the easiest problems to solve on paper but they consistently fail to do it.

That's exactly it.

I believe the quote goes, "Hard work beats talent when talent isn't willing to work hard"

Carlton have been stuck in this theory that it's the 90's and you can just pay a bunch of superstars to drag the rest along with them.

With the salary cap era, it's beyond stupid.
That's why we love Wells/Mackie at the Cats, they consistently find gems of players who aren't the most talented or the most flashy, that go late in Drafts, or in Rookie Drafts or CAT 2 blokes
They find guys who have to WORK to keep their spot and have earned what they have been rewarded with.

Nothing is handed to them. Guys like Stewart, Humphries, Miers, Close, Dempsey, Mannagh etc exemplify that.
They are willing to do the dirty work, no thrills stuff.

Richmond seem like they've found some blokes like that. Great to see from a young squad.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Voss must have said "reality" at least 800 times in his presser.


Weird press conference, I must say.

 

[Pistol Night]

That's exactly it.

I believe the quote goes, "Hard work beats talent when talent isn't willing to work hard"

Carlton have been stuck in this theory that it's the 90's and you can just pay a bunch of superstars to drag the rest along with them.

With the salary cap era, it's beyond stupid.
That's why we love Wells/Mackie, they find gems of players who aren't the most talented or the most flashy.
They find guys who have to WORK to keep their spot.

Nothing is earned. Guys like Miers, Close, Dempsey, Mannagh, Stengle exemplify that.
They are willing to do the dirty work, no thrills stuff.

We won a flag with Billy Frampton at FF while Carlton churn out more Coleman's than John's actual grandchildren. System can override talent if its a full buy in

 

[beema limapep]

That's exactly it.

I believe the quote goes, "Hard work beats talent when talent isn't willing to work hard"

Carlton have been stuck in this theory that it's the 90's and you can just pay a bunch of superstars to drag the rest along with them.

With the salary cap era, it's beyond stupid.
That's why we love Wells/Mackie at the Cats, they consistently find gems of players who aren't the most talented or the most flashy, that go late in Drafts, or in Rookie Drafts or CAT 2 blokes
They find guys who have to WORK to keep their spot and have earned what they have been rewarded with.

Nothing is earned. Guys like Stewart, Humphries, Miers, Close, Dempsey, Mannagh, Stengle etc exemplify that.
They are willing to do the dirty work, no thrills stuff.

I also question their ability to develop a players who are later draft picks. None outside of the first round are coming to mind that have become A or B grade. I could have missed 1 or 2 exceptions, but I think I'm right.

 

[FootyLad0]

We won a flag with Billy Frampton at FF while Carlton churn out more Coleman's than John's actual grandchildren. System can override talent if its a full buy in

Exactly! Perfect example! Fly came to Pies with that mentality from Richmond where they constantly and repeatedly exemplified the Dimma "nose to the grindstone" pressure gameplan.
Lots of unheralded guys at both Richmond and Pies that played that manic pressure game.

Guys who weren't superstars, who just did the work and play for the jumper and not their own stats.

 

[FootyLad0]

I also question their ability to develop a players who are later draft picks. None outside of the first round are coming to mind that have become A or B grade. I could have missed 1 or 2 exceptions, but I think I'm right.

Absolutely correct, you need to be better than just hitting on guaranteed superstars or guaranteed starters.

That's what Dimma and Richmond did and its already looking like theyve done it again under Yze.
It's early, but great signs.

 

[Frank Grimes]

morris + cotton on + Joel Selwood?

Brown and Trainor also with club connections, reckon the Cats will get at least one of them eventually

Maybe in about 12-14 years when they match Geelongs age profile.

 

[beema limapep]

We won a flag with Billy Frampton at FF while Carlton churn out more Coleman's than John's actual grandchildren. System can override talent if its a full buy in

You had role players like Markov who in your premiership year would die for his teammates with his efforts and bought in 110% to the system no questions, and then, for example, you have Cerra on big coin, who occasionally does some ok to good things and statistically is ok in some games, but is never really desperate, doesn't buy in with 110% to the system and efforts.

A team of Markovs beats a team of individual Cerras 9 times out of 10.

 

[TW Sherrin]

well done Tigers. a famous win.




carlton...

 

[Footy Smarts]

Maybe in about 12-14 years when they match Geelongs age profile.

Richmond had more players over 30 last night than Geelong has selected tomorrow. More over 27 too.

 

[Jon#]

I fell asleep seeing Carlton comfortably in front. I woke up seeing Richmond had beaten them. I wish I'd stayed awake to see it really. Love watching come from behind wins.
Good on Richmond even though I tipped the Blues.

 

[RedWhite4Ever]

any less than a 200 point belting and it's probably a sign we're not quite there yet

Yep

 

[Pistol Night]

any less than a 200 point belting and it's probably a sign we're not quite there yet

Only 213 off. Scope for improvement

 

[Bushdid911]

If we go by last year, the first team to lose to Richmond ends up making the grand final. So congrats Carlton!

 

[Scritchyscroony]

There I was thinking the Pies had the award for worst way to open the season in the bag.
Carlton just had to rain on our parade didn't they.

Carltonest thing ever!

 

[beema limapep]

Has there been a more against the odds and humiliating defeat over the last 20-30 years as far as home and away games go?

I mean, plenty of teams have been thumped including mine and others, but often its expected.

And in a strange sort of way, last nights result seems to be more humiliating than when Carlton was racking up spoon after spoon.

 

[tugga]

Lalor is a Geelong boy, time to come home mate….

Bacchus Marsh actually.
Went to Geelong Grammar though.

 

[beema limapep]

There I was thinking the Pies had the award for worst way to open the season in the bag.
Carlton just had to rain on our parade didn't they.

Carltonest thing ever!

You are quite welcome!

 

[mike ross]

Has there been a more against the odds and humiliating defeat over the last 20-30 years as far as home and away games go?

I mean, plenty of teams have been thumped including mine and others, but often its expected.

And in a strange sort of way, last nights result seems to be more humiliating than when Carlton was racking up spoon after spoon.

Melbourne against Essendon in 2016 comes to mind. But great win Tigers.

 

[Cam Payne]

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Where's the first coach sacked thread?