Autopsy AFL 2025 Round 11 - Cats v Dogs Thurs May 22nd 7:30pm AEST (GMHBA)

[tropicaltiger]

Bevo was tbh badly out coached. When geelongs pressure ramped up and we closed down your handpass chains in tight and leap frogging over the top, you didn’t have an answer or adjustment.

Top sides will continue to beat doggies unless you can adjust when things go wrong and the heat is on

the lopsided free kick count and 33 shots at goals (5 Posters) suggests poor umpiring and inaccuracy were the major factors.

 

[Mofra]

115 minutes then. Point still is valid.
Dogs can't argue they should have won.

We had more scoring shots. Including 5 posters.

Yes, I think we should have kicked better and should have won.
That is within our control though so is not blaming any other factors. We kicked poorly and got the result we deserved for that.

 

[Munich]

my take as a neutral is that the dogs played really well. They should be proud of their efforts. I personally don't get the Dempset fuss. The ball looked in to me anyway. and he was getting held anyway.

However, the umpires were probably a 4 goal advantage to the cats so they were a big influence on the match.

So dogs still would have won if they'd converted all of their missed goals.

Cool.

 

[Munich]

the lopsided free kick count and 33 shots at goals (5 Posters) suggests poor umpiring and inaccuracy were the major factors.

Was our loss to Carlton due to the lopsided free kick count?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

the lopsided free kick count and 33 shots at goals (5 Posters) suggests poor umpiring and inaccuracy were the major factors.

Why would a lopsided free kick count suggest poor umpiring? Dumb comment. Free kicks are supposed to be based on merit, not ensuring both sides receive even frees

 

[tropicaltiger]

Was our loss to Carlton due to the lopsided free kick count?

re-read please. my point was that Bevo was NOT outcoached but a victim of circumstances.

 

[Munich]

re-read please. my point was that Bevo was NOT outcoached but a victim of circumstances.

I'm not talking about Bevo.

I'm responding to your comments about free kicks being a factor.

 

[G String]

That was a weird game - I honestly thought the Dogs looked like a 5-10 goal better team but somehow Geelong won.

 

[Wojcinski]

re-read please. my point was that Bevo was NOT outcoached but a victim of circumstances.

but you said that circumstance was poor umpiring, why are you backpedaling now

 

[tropicaltiger]

but you said that circumstance was poor umpiring, why are you backpedaling now

whatever.... pretty sure you would think dogs getting a 26-12 umpire ride would still give the cats a 14p win. which is silly. dogs were victims of unusual circumstances and bevo was not outcoached

 

[kickazz]

We got more frees because of our pressure, got quite a few HTB. If you don't watch the game you probably can't comment on that, and indeed as has been said here that no one has really offered up much of any evidence of bad decisions on the night, just vibes based on numbers.

It was a cracking game. Both sides had periods of dominance they didn't capitalise upon. It was a indeed like many cats v dogs games where dogs dominate the middle and cats rely on backline and very fast rebound. Cats should have put the dogs away with easy misses to Mullin, Dempsey and Blicavs. Dogs got some late ones in quarters and many of their behinds were under major pressure, but they missed enough easy ones to feel aggrieved with their performance here

Early cats pressure when without the ball was good, they often prefer to corall and guard space, but last night they pressured the ball carrier, even if it meant the next guy was free, meaning someone else had to leave their man, and so on.

Cameron and Lobb had a great battle. Cameron won but Lobb was very good in some tough contests bodylining the ground ball in that last quarter. An underrated part of Cameron's game last night was his ability to spoil or halve contests when out of position. It really was crucial as Lobb dominated with intercept marks last year.

I think the turning point was a period in the last where Geelong slowed it down. They needed to catch their breath as the dogs were all over them. Indeed Geelong used up all their rotations, unusual. The last Ten minutes cats were the better side. Had more posession and used it better.

 

[The Casey Cat]

whatever.... pretty sure you would think dogs getting a 26-12 umpire ride would still give the cats a 14p win. which is silly. dogs were victims of unusual circumstances and bevo was not outcoached

The Dogs weren't good enough. We've actually been on the receiving end of similar free kick differentials this year. Some wins and some losses. Does not mean it was a factor. And as far as at least one of the important ones that led to a goal late if the Dogs are dumb and unorganised enough have Neale in the ruck against someone miles smaller while English watches from 60m away that's their own fault.

 

[kickazz]

We had more scoring shots. Including 5 posters.

Yes, I think we should have kicked better and should have won.
That is within our control though so is not blaming any other factors. We kicked poorly and got the result we deserved for that.

What was your take on Dogs' field kicking?


It's easy to look at 16.17 or 6 posters and highlight that, but not having seen much of the dogs this year I wonder if that was much below par.

In the last 6 or so years, cats dogs games have often been a case of Dogs dominating midfield and moving the ball well, with Geelong barely hanging in. But there'd inevitably be a turnover on the I50 delivery, and/or Tom Stewart would dominate.

Sure goalkicking mattered, but I think Geelong pouncing on the turnover was a big factor again last night.

 

[Dancing Dougy]

Damn there's a lot of defensive Cats supporters in here.

 

[danster168]

So dogs still would have won if they'd converted all of their missed goals.

Cool.

why are you so defensive? youre so loyal to your team that you couldn't see how disadvantaged the dogs were with the umpires? Come on now. A major influence on the game.

 

[STPer18]

Umpires.

 

[kickazz]

Umpires.

Missed a lot of throws, yes.

 

[Mofra]

What was your take on Dogs' field kicking?


It's easy to look at 16.17 or 6 posters and highlight that, but not having seen much of the dogs this year I wonder if that was much below par.

In the last 6 or so years, cats dogs games have often been a case of Dogs dominating midfield and moving the ball well, with Geelong barely hanging in. But there'd inevitably be a turnover on the I50 delivery, and/or Tom Stewart would dominate.

Sure goalkicking mattered, but I think Geelong pouncing on the turnover was a big factor again last night.

Honestly, it looked like our worst display of field kicking since 2023.

Part of it was poor decision making too, a couple of hot handballs into congestion. Really low percentage stuff.

 

[kickazz]

Damn there's a lot of defence Cats supporters in here.

Yeah despite Stewart still looking rusty, I thought our defence held up quite well. Bews and Humphries are good to have back.

 

[FootyLad0]

Damn there's a lot of defence Cats supporters in here.

I’ve been watching this thread in and out between work and family commitments throughout the day just to gauge what people were saying and can I just say….

I think it’s pretty pathetic when anyone blames umpires for wins and losses , like arguing over it is soo pointless and stupid.
That goes for any supporter base including my own.

The whinging that is still going on nearly 24 hours later is hilarious, Dogs are one of the largest free kick differential teams in the last decade that anytime they aren’t even remotely near their huge FK numbers it’s considered “cheating”
Sometimes teams get free kicks and sometimes they don’t, that wasn’t the reason for the win for Geelong or the loss for the Dogs. Dogs controlled midfield in quarters 1 and 3 but Cats had control quarters 2 and 4, especially when Cats won 9 of the last 10 clearances of the game.
Pretty even I’d say, the Dogs field kicking was absolutely horrible across the park. Way too many turnovers, gotta clean that up.
It cost them multiple goals which Cats thrive upon. We knew Dogs would score a lot from contest but that was a record number last night. Cats did their usual turnover game to scores, pretty standard Cats footy.


What was the biggest factor though?

Bevo himself pointed it out.
Dogs kicked 17 BEHINDS and are expecting to win a game of footy.

Bad kicking = bad football

That’s literally the issue right there.
It affected Cats two games ago against GWS when they kicked the same number of behinds.

 

[Munich]

why are you so defensive? youre so loyal to your team that you couldn't see how disadvantaged the dogs were with the umpires? Come on now. A major influence on the game.

Whenever Geelong wins its "umpires for x team were putrid".

If I'm a dogs supporter I'd be filthy at 17 behinds.

They had plenty of chances to win it and couldn't.

 

[Generalissimo]

"we'd of won if we'd kicked straight" is just as stupid as saying "we'd of won if we didn't keep turning it over" or "we'd of won if we'd stuck our tackles". Straight kicking is a skill, and if you don't execute correctly you're half way to losing, just like if you fail to apply the other skills in footy properly.

 

[STPer18]

Whenever Geelong wins its "umpires for x team were putrid".

If I'm a dogs supporter I'd be filthy at 17 behinds.

They had plenty of chances to win it and couldn't.

Hope we can get our first legitimate win of the season soon. Thankfully we've got the 'neutrals' of BigFooty.com to keep track of each and every Geelong game for us who we trust are super impartial.

 

[Wojcinski]

"we'd of won if we'd kicked straight" is just as stupid as saying "we'd of won if we didn't keep turning it over" or "we'd of won if we'd stuck our tackles". Straight kicking is a skill, and if you don't execute correctly you're half way to losing, just like if you fail to apply the other skills in footy properly.

We'd have won if we were better at football!

 

[Munich]

Hope we can get our first legitimate win of the season soon. Thankfully we've got the 'neutrals' of BigFooty.com to keep track of each and every Geelong game for us who we trust are super impartial.

I can only surmise they're sick of seeing us do well year after year.

The vitriol towards Geelong is at an all time high this year