Autopsy AFL 2025 Round 3 - Blues v Dogs Fri March 28th 7:40pm AEDT (Marvel)

[QuietB]

Carlton's three talls kicked ten of their eleven goals.
They have the worst small forwards of any team.
Even at West Coast we at least have Liam Ryan.

Their flankers and wings aren’t much either.

That plus the game plan is Carlton’s entire problem.

You only dream of a core as good as theirs - Cripps, Walsh, De Koning, Charlie and Weitering.

Everything around that spine is

 

[Mr Meow]

Their flankers and wings aren’t much either.

That plus the game plan is Carlton’s entire problem.

You only dream of a core as good as theirs - Cripps, Walsh, De Koning, Charlie and Weitering.

Everything around that spine is

Walsh needs to start being removed from these lists.

I'd take current day Hewett and Cerra ahead of him easily. The latter seems to struggle running out games though.

 

[QuietB]

Walsh needs to start being removed from these lists.

I'd take current day Hewett and Cerra ahead of him easily. The latter seems to struggle running out games though.

Take him out. The top 4 have every list in the comp covered. And every part of the ground covered.

It is embarrassing for Carlton how they are wasting this.

 

[Mr Meow]

Take him out. The top 4 have every list in the comp covered. And every part of the ground covered.

It is embarrassing for Carlton how they are wasting this.

The only caveat I'd add is that a player like Cripps needs an elite ball user/decision maker next to him in midfield, or at least a couple to feed it to on the wings.

A player like Dangerfield sprayed plenty of disposals, but in between was very damaging - goals, assists, score involvements, territory. He had neat ball users to dish it off to in the midfield/wings like Selwood, Guthrie, Duncan, Ablett, Smith at various stages.

Who gets the best out of Cripps contested work in this way? Walsh used to. Acres maybe did for a time. Neither do now. The rest are scrubby or take the conservative option, a blind dump kick.

 

[Cyclops]

I have a soft spot for Voss for some reason, not just because of his playing career, perhaps it's a bit irrational.
Perhaps it's because of Patrick White, who is also out of fashion, to our intellectual detriment. Perhaps Judd should take up coaching to have life imitating art and us reading more in wonderment.

Anyway, for 3 qtrs last night the blues were playing a more precision game, picking out leads and finding loose targets. It worked, even though Dogs dominated possession with their frenetic bee buzzing high possession flicking hand ball game style they have persisted with for a decade now, which often doesn't bear fruit, and which caused a mini revolution in ball movement in 2016. It caused you'll recall most clubs in the summer of 16-17 to start drilling in training close-in flicking handballs as a way of transitioning the ball from inside to outside. The method is still around today, but most clubs don't take it to the Dog's extreme. The Dees famously crushed that trend like an international proletarian movement in 2021 in a blitzkrieg that could have caused Belgium to surrender.

Ironically while the Dee's blitzkrieg pilots have recently grown a bit overweight and slow like Hermann Goering himself did, the Dogs manic circular ball flicking to release a loose man still persists to this day like the anachronistic "socialist" and " communistist" does in the names of a selection of countries.

Last night when it got quite hot the Blues resorted to the default "kick to a contest" and they were losing many of those contests. A freakish Kemp performance helped them earlier in the game, and papered over the lack of scoring options, while the Dogs had plenty of goal kickers. The Dogs prevailed like a whirring machine in the night that never turns off and keeps you awake and annoyed with its persistence.

The dump kick default returned for the Blues in the very moment they needed to maintain their more precise kicking and running to space. The kleptomaniac even after years of clean living reverts to thievery if they think noone is watching. They failed their own test. But there will be another test next week, and they'd better stay tuned into the new program for a full 4 qtrs to have any chance against Collingwood, who are the France of the AFL, with their flair, history, sheer size, and their fondness for the guillotine.

Look good on you for having a go.

My own take?

Carlton think they're the Roman Empire but theyre just a second tier power.

They have some decent big guns, and on paper could be a threat

They have a history of stringing up their own leaders, and when it gets hot they melt like gelati.

Definitely WWII Italy.

I don't see the Pies like France. Glorious past? Oui. Static defence? Non. Guillotine? We're absurdly loyal. I think we've had half as many coaches as Carlton.

We run a theory-heavy style that ends up being a swarm. Lots of mid tier types farting higher than their arses. A few Heroes who get made into legends through endless repetition of the Truth. Great in shit fights, can drag a class opponent down. Historic rivals in every direction, and v their opposition is understandable.

We do, however, have a slight tendency to not recognise when things have gone against us.

We are the Soviet Union.

 

[Doggy]

Yes 2 from last 12 and those wins v North and Eagles is a clear and apparent formline
They are a bottom 6 side

I think it's more that Voss is a bottom 6 coach

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It looked touched. Just don't think the evidence was conclusive enough to overturn it.
I don't understand how some goals get heaps of attention on review while others get (like this one) get virtually none.
Not blaming it for the result. Just find it odd, but it is an amateur league in a lot of ways.

The review system is just flat out terrible they have managed to find the single worst alternative lol

 

[Doggy]

It looked touched. Just don't think the evidence was conclusive enough to overturn it.
I don't understand how some goals get heaps of attention on review while others get (like this one) get virtually none.
Not blaming it for the result. Just find it odd, but it is an amateur league in a lot of ways.

Naughton's probably missed, but Darcy's shouldn't have been overturned on "gut feel".

So the net result is the same

 

[Pistol Night]

The only caveat I'd add is that a player like Cripps needs an elite ball user/decision maker next to him in midfield, or at least a couple to feed it to on the wings.

A player like Dangerfield sprayed plenty of disposals, but in between was very damaging - goals, assists, score involvements, territory. He had neat ball users to dish it off to in the midfield/wings like Selwood, Guthrie, Duncan, Ablett, Smith at various stages.

Who gets the best out of Cripps contested work in this way? Walsh used to. Acres maybe did for a time. Neither do now. The rest are scrubby or take the conservative option, a blind dump kick.

So your saying a Daicos type might be handy after all. Even without taking contested marks? That's new information from what ive been told

 

[Mr Meow]

So your saying a Daicos type might be handy after all. Even without taking contested marks? That's new information from what ive been told

I don't like that this post unintentionally seems to frame that argument as something I said. Please tag the posters you are talking about.

I've mentioned before that Cripps and Daicos would be a perfect combo. Both are missing that complimentary player in midfield.

 

[Pistol Night]

I don't like that this post unintentionally seems to frame that argument as something I said. Please tag the posters you are talking about.

Nah it was just a subtle dig at Carlton and their hatred of Daicos for some reason. You made solid points that i was trying to reinforce. Outside run and polish is a glaring weakness at Carlton

 

[BillytheLid]

I enjoy the Blues pile on as much as anyone but in reality I don’t think they are that bad. An absolute shocker in Rd 1 but were in it up to their necks against the Hoks, who are widely tipped to finish 1 or 2. Some more ‘balanced’ umpiring in the last Q and they could have (should have) won last night.

On another note WTF has happened to Naughton and English? Whenever they play my mob Naughton plays like Wayne Carey and English like Gary Dempsey. Could not believe how shite they were last night.

 

[QuietB]

The only caveat I'd add is that a player like Cripps needs an elite ball user/decision maker next to him in midfield, or at least a couple to feed it to on the wings.

A player like Dangerfield sprayed plenty of disposals, but in between was very damaging - goals, assists, score involvements, territory. He had neat ball users to dish it off to in the midfield/wings like Selwood, Guthrie, Duncan, Ablett, Smith at various stages.

Who gets the best out of Cripps contested work in this way? Walsh used to. Acres maybe did for a time. Neither do now. The rest are scrubby or take the conservative option, a blind dump kick.

But that is so easy to fix. You guys went and got a nearly washed Isaac Smith + Stengel, both for SFA, and won a premiership.

Carlton just don’t get it

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

You’ve clearly never watched Richmond then. They did it as a tactic for years.

Yes, I'm aware of Richmond's tactic with it. They got away with it a lot but also gave away a lot of 50s.
They also generally also only crept a half step or so. This one is the biggest that I've seen that wasn't penalised.
Surely you can admit that after the fact? It won't change the result.

 

[JayJ20]

I guess not everyone can have a win after 3 rounds.

 

[Mr Meow]

But that is so easy to fix. You guys went and got a nearly washed Isaac Smith + Stengel, both for SFA, and won a premiership.

Carlton just don’t get it

I still don't see decision makers or skill executors at the level of Selwood, Guthrie, Tuohy, Stewart and Duncan though. They have Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, Acres, Saad and Docherty. Some used to be damaging or precise, but aren't any more.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Blues were expected to win tonight. They were expect to go undefeated by the Victorian media LoL

Expected by who? A lot thought it was a 50/50 game. I tipped Dogs, as did most in the tipping comp I'm in.
48 out of 66 votes here picked Dogs.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Expected by who? A lot thought it was a 50/50 game. I tipped Dogs, as did most in the tipping comp I'm in.
48 out of 66 votes here picked Dogs.

The Dogs were the bookies favourites fairly sure happy to be corrected I don’t bet on head to head markets. I’d accept calling it a 50/50 game but expected to win? That’s a push and a half.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I still don't see decision makers or skill executors at the level of Selwood, Guthrie, Tuohy, Stewart and Duncan though. They have Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, Acres, Saad and Docherty. Some used to be damaging or precise, but aren't any more.

Such a shame about Walsh he may never be the same after that injury I do however wish they would stop this nonsense about him as some great inside mid play him off a wing use his running capabilities, at the moment he’s hack kicking everywhere it doesn’t help him and certainly doesn’t help the team

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I enjoy the Blues pile on as much as anyone but in reality I don’t think they are that bad. An absolute shocker in Rd 1 but were in it up to their necks against the Hoks, who are widely tipped to finish 1 or 2. Some more ‘balanced’ umpiring in the last Q and they could have (should have) won last night.

On another note WTF has happened to Naughton and English? Whenever they play my mob Naughton plays like Wayne Carey and English like Gary Dempsey. Could not believe how shite they were last night.

Naughtons fallen off a cliff and Silvagni played a career best game down back

 

[Bald]

The Dogs were the bookies favourites fairly sure happy to be corrected I don’t bet on head to head markets. I’d accept calling it a 50/50 game but expected to win? That’s a push and a half.

Yeah we were $1.85 going in so very slight favourites.

 

[Bald]

Naughtons fallen off a cliff and Silvagni played a career best game down back

Naughton had glandular fever in the offseason. He just seems to have lost a bit of his usual burst, strength and conditioning. I’m sure he will get it back in time but he’s struggling at the minute.

Edit: sorry, yes JSOS was very impressive.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Naughton had glandular fever in the offseason. He just seems to have lost a bit of his usual burst, strength and conditioning. I’m sure he will get it back in time but he’s struggling at the minute.

Edit: sorry, yes JSOS was very impressive.

Even still, it's been over the last few years for Naughton. Imo a positional shift would do him some good.

Get him in the ruck a bit where he can use his follow up work or try him down back for a bit. Just seems lost as a fwd atm.

 

[Bald]

Even still, it's been over the last few years for Naughton. Imo a positional shift would do him some good.

Get him in the ruck a bit where he can use his follow up work or try him down back for a bit. Just seems lost as a fwd atm.

Unless Croft puts some consistency together at VFL level or if a miracle happens and Jamarra comes back properly, we’re a bit slim pickings for key forwards (not something I thought I’d say a few months ago ) so I can’t see us shifting Naughton, they’ll just persist with him up forward. It’s not the end of the world. He still commands attention and that’s only going to be beneficial for Darcy.

 

[deck]

When they play the footage after a score review was called we are seeing what they are seeing. They just have what the broadcaster has which is the problem with ARC.

"Most broadcast cameras operate at a phase alternating line (PAL) standard of 50 frames-per-second while a few super slow motion cameras operate at 150 FPS or even 300 FPS on special occasions like grand finals.

You can have 300fps cameras but at home we are only ever getting 50fps. Same with the bitrate of the broadcast.

7 and Foxtel only have so much bandwidth and only so much the viewer can stream at home on most internet connection. But the broadcast truck does capture at a lot higher bitrate than what the viewer gets.

Just maybe the ARC are getting the untouched feed and that's why they could make the decision they did when the viewers at home watching at 4K couldn't see it.