Autopsy AFL 2025 Round 5 - Pies v Swans Fri April 11th 7:40pm AEST (AO)

[Carringbush2010]

Wouldn’t be playing seniors at StKilda

Would be in current form.

 

[Carringbush2010]

No inclusions would have over come the tactical superiority of Coll - Swans had no way of countering Coll set up even with 7 inclusions.
Swan are one dimensional.

Last night yes, but generally no.

Not being able to see it on the telly, it's clear that the Pies set up zone behind the ball and forced the swans to chip around possession and either kick it down the line or invited pressure and the pies forced turnover.

Effectively we denied them corridor transition that make them so dangerous.

For the neutrals on here, this sort of game plan (set up, close space, pressure to turnover, then transition / chaos ball) is not a flick swith situation, Fly and FD have been training and honing this since Fly landed.

Not many teams will be able to do this to Sydney.

 

[Nvent]

Would be in current form.

Not sure who he’d push out.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Not sure who he’d push out.

Well he's in better form than some of their tall forwards.

He may not because Saints are grooming their younger talls, but lets not pretend Membrey is some spud 'who wouldn't get a game at the saints' as you've alluded.

 

[Pie eyed]

It shows. Stick with it and maybe you’ll learn some circumspection.

Don't you have to be a surgeon for that?

 

[Ctracks]

Don't you have to be a surgeon for that?

Mohel

 

[Pie eyed]

Only if you're Jewish.

 

[loopy0812]

Last night yes, but generally no.

Not being able to see it on the telly, it's clear that the Pies set up zone behind the ball and forced the swans to chip around possession and either kick it down the line or invited pressure and the pies forced turnover.

Effectively we denied them corridor transition that make them so dangerous.

For the neutrals on here, this sort of game plan (set up, close space, pressure to turnover, then transition / chaos ball) is not a flick swith situation, Fly and FD have been training and honing this since Fly landed.

Not many teams will be able to do this to Sydney.

Sydney aren't one dimensional, they are just too reliant on certain players. Sydney's greatest strength is also their greatest weakness. A lot of their top 15 players are role players. When the stars are firing those role players can play their role and nothing more. The outs didn't cost Sydney the game, Collingwood acknowledging that some of those players are having to play roles they're not good enough to play and capitalising on that won them the game.

Collingwood's defensive setup was exceptional which allowed them to capitalise on some of Sydney's player's playing roles they're not best suited to. Deny Rampe easy release kicks and he'll kick it long down the line where a lot of clubs have an aerial advantage over Sydney. Chad Warner doesn't defend from stoppages well which can allow him to be blocked out of contests. Sydney's 2 best midfield runners are missing which has meant they lack genuine pace once the ball leaves the initial contest and the younger players don't have the spatial awareness and footy smarts of say a Scott Pendlebury to make up for it. Collingwood's refusal to let Sydney lock the ball down are have that release option was excellent.

Collingwood won through ruthlessly efficient planning and their players executing that plan to perfection.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Sydney aren't one dimensional, they are just too reliant on certain players.

For starters, this is a fantastic analysis post.

Sydney are certainly not one dimensional, Pies forced them into chip possession and either kick down the line or invite pressure to eventual turnover.

This is what the Pies do best, not personnel reliant.

the younger players don't have the spatial awareness and footy smarts of say a Scott Pendlebury to make up for it.

Pendles is probably not a good comparison, because that is so high bar it's not funny.

There's never been a better predictor of where and when the ball and other players will be before it happens, that's why he's never needed (or had) leg speed.

Collingwood's refusal to let Sydney lock the ball down are have that release option was excellent.

Absolutely, due to how they set up without / behind the ball, forcing the swans to chip possession and or kick down the line.

Collingwood won through ruthlessly efficient planning and their players executing that plan to perfection.

As I said, Fly and co have been honing this game style since Fly got there.

Yes of course they'll tweak it depending on opposition and venue, but by and large this somes up the Pies game.

-Close space and pressure to turnover (which is an achilles heal, coz it leaves them exposed if they lose the contest)

-Use ball speed to transition forward 'at any cost chaos style' - this is not the fastest leg speed in the comp, not required. Or they'll just have smooth transition due to their ball speed.

-Ability to tempo the game depending on the situation i:e IF they have a lead they'll slow the game with possession footy do deny the opposition opportunity (depending on lead and when in the game). This invites pressure, but again they play the outnumber if a contest ensues.

Again, they've been training this game style for 3 seasons now and the list hasn't changed a lot, so there's continuity. Add on recruits are indoctrinated on the game plan.

 

[Cyclops]

It was tactically fascinating. We were setting up the man on the mark amost oblique to the kicker to deny the inboard kick, stuff like that was apparent even to a layman like me, the the pressure from upfield structures was apparent in cramped looking play.

Sydney not to much to worry about. Heeney was BOG, they were 5 goals off the pace with the early injury in game.

One of the players mentioned after the game it's a narrower ground than the G, great we adapt to different grounds so well. Only the tiny ones worry us.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It was tactically fascinating. We were setting up the man on the mark amost oblique to the kicker to deny the inboard kick, stuff like that was apparent even to a layman like me, the the pressure from upfield structures was apparent in cramped looking play.

Sydney not to much to worry about. Heeney was BOG, they were 5 goals off the pace with the early injury in game.

One of the players mentioned after the game it's a narrower ground than the G, great we adapt to different grounds so well. Only the tiny ones worry us.

Spot on! We're happy to force the game boundary side, this was obviously the plan against this team, coz they're so damaging in transition through the corridor.

On top of that, they just couldn't apply pressure to us going the other way.

Fly and his team are certainly under rated in the strategy department, or at least flying under the radar.

 

[Coachs Helpline]

This is not an effort problem, ask any footy analyst and they'll tell you the Pies are one the best contest teams in it.

This team has been training this for some time now, the speed of the game in the phone box has gone up another level over the last 3 years.

Watch the game again, and then if you're still convinced the Pies threw instead of hanball in close, then go to spec savers.

Yeah sure, tag em both, let naicos off the chain. See what happens then.

You can't just 'shut em down' on a wish.

Naicos? he changed his name??… Shut him down too.. in the end its basically the same Collingwood … how can you let a player like Steele Sidebottom who should be retired (?) …. perform so well. Oh Collingwood are now one of the best contest teams …so dont try to man up on him hes too old to play so well… whats he eating for breakfast?? Feed it to Sydney

 

[Carringbush2010]

Naicos? he changed his name??… Shut him down too.. in the end its basically the same Collingwood … how can you let a player like Steele Sidebottom who should be retired (?) …. perform so well. Oh Collingwood are now one of the best contest teams …so dont try to man up on him hes too old to play so well… whats he eating for breakfast?? Feed it to Sydney

 

[Coachs Helpline]

NOT edible chief

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Ok Round 5 over …this is about the man….. Steele Sidebottom

22

Steele Sidebottom

Age

34

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.4

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.7

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

24.0

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

12.0

5star

M

4.5

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

31.6

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

17.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

6.0

5star

and todays Anzac Day match against the Bombers … I didnt watch it but I see Sidebottom won the Anzac Medal….guess Essendon need to know what he eats for breakfast also… Shut him down lol

 

[eddiesmith]

Ok Round 5 over …this is about the man….. Steele Sidebottom and todays Anzac Day match against the Bombers … I didnt watch it but I see Sidebottom won the Anzac Medal….guess Essendon need to know what he eats for breakfast also… Shut him down lol

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Oh

Oh more explanation needed? …Listen up Stone Cold… its been said by ….the esteemed Carringbush2010 …you cant just shut down one player …e.g. ..Sidebottom … ummmmm yes you can … ..you man up and dont give some 30+ player free reign… maybe after yesterdays Anzac Day match he might get a bit more attention

 

[Pistol Night]

Wasn’t this game ****n 2 weeks ago

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Wasn’t this game ****n 2 weeks ago

Yea so why are you reading it lol.. Actually it was updated to reference the recent Anzac Day match to make a point

 

[Pistol Night]

Yea so why are you reading it lol.. Actually it was updated to reference the recent Anzac Day match to make a point

Because it popped up on my notifications and I was wondering what weird campaigner is melting about it still. You’ve lost 2 more since then. Do you wait 2 weeks to get a balanced opinion on games?

 

[Coachs Helpline]

Because it popped up on my notifications and I was wondering what weird campaigner is melting about it still. You’ve lost 2 more since then. Do you wait 2 weeks to get a balanced opinion on games?

You mean about Steele the showman yes we can forget about him clearly not up to Swans standard