Autopsy AFL 2O21 Round 13 - Saints v Crows Sat June 12th 7:25pm EST (Cazaly’s)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Saints by a goal or less

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Crows by a goal or less

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Saints by 7 - 20

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Crows by 7 - 20

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • Saints by a lot

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Crows by a lot

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .

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Rod Stroker

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Watched the first half of what as an uninspiring game, Saints had it in the bag. Woke up this morning to see they lost. Pea hearts.

Clearly Rats is unable to get the playing group up. This will just add fuel to the fire about why sacked coaches shouldn't be given second chances.
 

Plugger35

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Saints list is a bit sh*t isn’t it? That’s why they lose games.
“But Zac Jones is missing!”
And? He’s crap. Good teams can cover Zac Jones missing. Really good teams don’t give midfield spots to Zac Jones in the first place.
“Frawley was just supposed to be depth!”
Bullshit. You paid him to play games.
But he’s cooked.
Saint Kilda’s list- just a bit sh*t I think.
Fully fit and firing, maybe they’d make Top 8, but probably not.
McKernan is so crap. Should have been fired after his last game it was that shitty.
Butler? Wowee. Talk about a “oneseasonwonder”!!
Billings is worth a solid late-second round pick. Not sure who would want him.
Plodders all over the field.
Saint Kilda list, just a bit sh*t I think.
We were missing more than just Zac Jones, we are missing about 10 other players from our best 22, compare that to Melbourne who are only missing a couple of players from their best 22.

It's silly wording (forgivable considering heat of the moment) but yes.

At the end of the day he did grab the arm, it's clear when you watch it back. The umpires call was holding and he was holding the arm in a marking contest. It matters not whether you do it for a second or three. The hold was there so let's not pretend he didn't try to do what he was trying to do. He was trying to exert enough pressure to stop Thilthorpe marking it so he did exactly what he was trying to do. He just employed a hold in the course of doing so.
You're being generous calling that a hold, Howard just briefly placed his hand on Thilthorpe's arm, something that would happen hundreds of times in contests without a free being paid.

At best it was a very soft free kick that shouldn't be paid in a close contest, if that free was paid against an Adelaide defender you wouldn't be happy.
 

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projectv

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So disappointed with that result, but in hindsight it's a symptom of the same problem.

We'd may as well just start putting games into the kids. This season is a wash.
 

projectv

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Marshall, Membrey, Gresham, Geary, Paton, Ross, Hannebery, Carlisle plus Kent and McKenzie who are close to best 22 and would be playing now if fit.
Geary, Ross, Hanners, Carlisle and Kent shouldn't be in our best 22. The fact that we consider them to be is where our problem is. We have absolutely no depth. The injuries we've had have hit us really hard, but it happens to other clubs and most seem to be able to react far better than us.
 

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St Kilda played a semi final last year after knocking out the team currently second on the ladder.

This weekend they got 6 goals up against last years spooners and choked by kicking one goal after half time.

I like St Kilda, but there's a portion of their supporter base (and I realise these exist at every club) can't expect natural improvement and pride as a club if they're going with bottom of the barrel gutter excuses like umpires and injuries.
 

Plugger35

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You’re letting salt cloud your eyesight.

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A still shot like that doesn't tell the whole story, it was fleeting contact from Howard that wasn't worthy of a free kick, even the commentators were surprised a free was paid and if it wasn't paid Crows supporters wouldn't have been complaining as there was so little in it.

If umpires are going to pay soft free kicks like that they may as well just make AFL a non contact sport.
 

ThePhreshOne

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A still shot like that doesn't tell the whole story, it was fleeting contact from Howard that wasn't worthy of a free kick, even the commentators were surprised a free was paid and if it wasn't paid Crows supporters wouldn't have been complaining as there was so little in it.

If umpires are going to pay soft free kicks like that they may as well just make AFL a non contact sport.
Well that's settled it. Thank goodness Hamish McLachlan and Luke Hodge are the voice of reason.
 

projectv

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St Kilda played a semi final last year after knocking out the team currently second on the ladder.

This weekend they got 6 goals up against last years spooners and choked by kicking one goal after half time.

I like St Kilda, but there's a portion of their supporter base (and I realise these exist at every club) can't expect natural improvement and pride as a club if they're going with bottom of the barrel gutter excuses like umpires and injuries.
Yeah fair call. Some of the posts in these game day threads really piss me off. Umpiring impacts every club in good ways and bad ways, and to constantly see our fans melting over it is pure cope.
 

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And it's funny that Thilthorpe himself didn't think it was a free kick. On the Sunday Footy Show he trotted out the "I'm not going to argue with the ump" line which is code for I didn't think there was a free in it but I will take it.
Argument is definitely settled then
 

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With the bleating going on about the Thilthorpe decision by Saints fans in here like ExYarraValley and Plugger35, I assumed it happened right at the death but nope, went back and checked and it happened at the 10 MINUTE MARK of last quarter. Even after that goal, Saints were a) still in front and b) had half the ******* quarter to put the game to bed lol

Just loser mindset on display.
 

Plugger35

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With the bleating going on about the Thilthorpe decision by Saints fans in here like ExYarraValley and Plugger35, I assumed it happened right at the death but nope, went back and checked and it happened at the 10 MINUTE MARK of last quarter. Even after that goal, Saints were a) still in front and b) had half the ******* quarter to put the game to bed lol

Just loser mindset on display.
In a game decided by a goal a gifted goal like that makes a difference, that being said we still should have won the game regardless of the umpiring.
 

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A still shot like that doesn't tell the whole story, it was fleeting contact from Howard that wasn't worthy of a free kick, even the commentators were surprised a free was paid and if it wasn't paid Crows supporters wouldn't have been complaining as there was so little in it.

If umpires are going to pay soft free kicks like that they may as well just make AFL a non contact sport.
I wouldn't expect that to be paid due to seeing so many mark contests where people juggle once and the defender pretty much tackles them as they try to complete it and nothings called. But it was at least an arm chop in a marking contest with no eyes for the ball at the time as that still shows and obviously the ump saw it clear enough to think so.
 

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And it's funny that Thilthorpe himself didn't think it was a free kick. On the Sunday Footy Show he trotted out the "I'm not going to argue with the ump" line which is code for I didn't think there was a free in it but I will take it.
Oh really.. He certainly thought it was a free kick at the time it was called if you were watching his reaction..
 

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I've noticed in recent years that the umpires often try to create close finishes by favouring the side that is behind and last night was another example.

The AFL will never admit it but I'm sure there is some sort of directive for the umpires to create close finishes if possible to improve the tv ratings.
 

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I've noticed in recent years that the umpires often try to create close finishes by favouring the side that is behind and last night was another example.

The AFL will never admit it but I'm sure there is some sort of directive for the umpires to create close finishes if possible to improve the tv ratings.
That game did tv ratings no good.
 

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We were missing more than just Zac Jones, we are missing about 10 other players from our best 22, compare that to Melbourne who are only missing a couple of players from their best 22.



You're being generous calling that a hold, Howard just briefly placed his hand on Thilthorpe's arm, something that would happen hundreds of times in contests without a free being paid.

At best it was a very soft free kick that shouldn't be paid in a close contest, if that free was paid against an Adelaide defender you wouldn't be happy.
If you want to pretend that holding the arm requires it being held for 3 seconds that's fine but at the end of the day you are pretending.
 

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