AFL Awards season discussion

[Burtyl78]

I've seen him in nearly all predicted teams - it's not that surprising to see him make it

Nup, he’s been average this year, played 3 or 4 good ones, that’s a reputation pick

 

[Baudolino]

As if Neale had a better year than Hawkins.

Utter BS.

 

[cats_09]

Good on the club for having this ready to go, but would have been nice to see some acknowledgment for Guthrie's first blazer & Hawkins with his 3rd

 

[STPer18]

Leading goal assist player in the comp, kicks goals, can mark - why are Geelong supporters so cold on Dangerfield? Too bad so sad for Papley, give me Danger.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Baudolino]

There is no way Danger should have been in that team

He's the most damaging mid in the comp. Hardly surprising that he makes it.

Neale just won the MVP with output of 11 goals & 1 goal assist. Danger had 11 goals and 19 goal assists. Obviously I'm not saying Danger had a better year than Neale but that's a non-trivial statistical discrepancy in their scoreboard impact, and it's a difference that actually matters. We get desensitised to how good he is. If any other player had produced the year he did we'd be salivating over their output.

 

[cats_09]

Congrats to captain Danger

 

[MacStradbroke]

Cam Guthrie All Australian, that is glorious (or not so) for so many posters on this board.

 

[frggr]

MVP voting was strange. Thought big Hawk might have polled more than 370 - vs the almost 1200 Neale got

 

[Lana]

The all Australian forward line is a travesty,

 

[My Tilly]

Cam Guthrie All Australian, that is glorious (or not so) for so many posters on this board.

I been very critical of him for a number of years but he's been unreal this season. Menegola also, both have earned their annual salaries and then some.

 

[MacStradbroke]

He's the most damaging mid in the comp. Hardly surprising that he makes it.

Neale just won the MVP with output of 11 goals & 1 goal assist. Danger had 11 goals and 19 goal assists. Obviously I'm not saying Danger had a better year than Neale but that's a non-trivial statistical discrepancy in their scoreboard impact, and it's a difference that actually matters. We get desensitised to how good he is. If any other player had produced the year he did we'd be salivating over their output.

I read that on the weekend. For all of the possessions Neale had this year, his first assist was in the second last round. Astonishing stat.

 

[cats_09]

Final votes for AFLPA & AFLCA

AFLPA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
1120 votes: Lachie Neale (Brisbane)
419 votes: Travis Boak (Port Adelaide)
398 votes: Christian Petracca (Melbourne)
370 votes: Tom Hawkins (Geelong)
207 votes: Jack Steele (St Kilda)


AFLCA PLAYER OF THE YEAR
93 votes: Lachie Neale (Brisbane)
78 votes: Christian Petracca (Melbourne)
77 votes: Travis Boak (Port Adelaide)
72 votes: Jack Steele (St Kilda)
60 votes: Taylor Adams (Collingwood)

 

[Spazz Cat]

Here's the bench

Happy Daniel made it.
Midfielders as forwards is silly for me. Not really an AA "team"
Makes it feel a bit pointless.

 

[Baudolino]

The all Australian forward line is a travesty,

What would yours have been?

I'd have gone with:

Dangerfield Dixon Martin
Gunston Hawkins Ryan

 

[Mad_Hatter]

MVP voting is also mostly BS.
Over half of the players don't watch any games and those who do, don't take it seriously enough. Hence why the MVP now tends to mirror the coaches award and other media awards.
The players just don't care enough.

 

[calder_daddy]

Waiting for the opposition comments.
Dangerfield only made the team because he’s the AFLPA PRESIDENT
He’s only captain because he’s the AFLPA President

 

[My Tilly]

I read that on the weekend. For all of the possessions Neale had this year, his first assist was in the second last round. Astonishing stat.

and he rarely kicks goals. He is a much better footballer than what Matt Priddis was but to me, great midfielders hit the scoreboard as it shows off their true versatility.
Bartel could do it, Judd could do it, Cousins could do it, Fyfe, Jnr, Swan, they all kicked goals regularly.

 

[Landgraft]

What would yours have been?

I'd have gone with:

Dangerfield Dixon Martin
Gunston Hawkins Ryan

I know the cliche is to put the midfielders on the flanks, but I like that they named Dusty in the pocket. When he goes forward it's to play deep.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Now it makes sense. Had to shoehorn him in the team to make him captain.

Butler 27 goals. (73% of the 3 'forwards' combined)
Papley 26 goals. (70%)
Gunston 31 goals. (84%)

Dangerfield 11 goals.
Martin 15 goals.
Bontempelli 11 goals.

 

[cats_09]

He's the most damaging mid in the comp. Hardly surprising that he makes it.

Neale just won the MVP with output of 11 goals & 1 goal assist. Danger had 11 goals and 19 goal assists. Obviously I'm not saying Danger had a better year than Neale but that's a non-trivial statistical discrepancy in their scoreboard impact, and it's a difference that actually matters. We get desensitised to how good he is. If any other player had produced the year he did we'd be salivating over their output.

We always seem harshest on our own players

No doubt that Dangers numbers are down on previous years but that can be put down to various reasons:
- shorter quarters & shorter matches will generally mean less stat accumulation

- other players standing up, taking more responsibilty & more of the load; Guthrie, Menegola, Duncan etc, even Parfitt has been good even if he's not the stat accumulator like others

- we are less reliant on Danger this year than previous years for the point listed above. With others stepping up it's meant that Danger doesn't need to carry the midfield on his own

So while he's numbers may be down, not sure you could say he's impacts dropped away

 

[calder_daddy]

MVP voting is also mostly BS.
Over half of the players don't watch any games and those who do, don't take it seriously enough. Hence why the MVP now tends to mirror the coaches award and other media awards.
The players just don't care enough.

Also the fact half the players wouldn’t have to play on him, as a midfielder I guess you would notice more how good midfielders are.
Let’s face it though, Neale has been incredible all years, Hawkins has been outstanding for the past 8 weeks
Neale deserved it

 

[calder_daddy]

Who had the most ever All Australians

 

[cats_09]

Who had the most ever All Australians

8 is the current record - and a few played for Geelong:

Patrick Dangerfield has created history tonight becoming just the sixth player to have been selected in eight All Australian teams.

Dangerfield joins an elite group comprising of Gary Ablett Snr, Gary Ablett Jnr, Lance Franklin, Robert Harvey and Mark Riccuito.

 

[Baudolino]

8 is the current record - and a few played for Geelong:

Patrick Dangerfield has created history tonight becoming just the sixth player to have been selected in eight All Australian teams.

Dangerfield joins an elite group comprising of Gary Ablett Snr, Gary Ablett Jnr, Lance Franklin, Robert Harvey and Mark Riccuito.

Still annoys me GAJ was robbed of his rightful ninth AA jumper last year.