AFL Canberra

[Kirky8865]

Just a quick question re. summer comp. Do you still have footy park in Philip. I played a couple of games on it around 1990 and as i remember it there was no cricket and good lighting. We played night matches there. That would solve a couple of problems. You could play double headers. Say Fri and Sundays and keep it watered so it is not a hard surface.

Footy Park Philip, it is now car cark philip, even the umpires haven't trained there for years mate.

 

[Porkhead]

Footy Park Philip, it is now car cark philip, even the umpires haven't trained there for years mate.

Yep footy Park sold back to the Government 3 years ago.$$$ in trust for the original 6 clubs in the league.


Good to get a bit of chat going on an out of the square way of improving things via the summer comp.

I don't think grounds would be an issue with FIMs idea of daylight saving and using Ainslie ,Qbn, Kippax and Greenway perhaps.

Prior to the drought, grounds were at their best in summer and I don't think cricket pitches are in those grounds.

Flexibility would be a key to this and it wouldn't matter a stuff who won or what, within reason, guest players were allowed in for short stints a la soccer. James Hird, once retired, in for a cameo for Ainslie, Hamill for Tuggeranong etc?? More realistically players from interstate and country could give it a go without leaving their winter leagues or going to Darwin as a lot of blokes do.

anyway just a thought.

 

[chaddles]

Oh Chaddles, thanks for your prompt reply, it shows that you have some fire which makes it easier for me to take the piss out of. If you have bothered to read my replies, most of them have been taking the piss because Im sure this site was designed for friendly banter and piss taking and not designed to cure cancer (that was tongue in cheek!).
I cant believe that you have taken your eye off the ball and produced 2 of the most boring, long winded, non humourous replies in history (more tongue in cheek!!). Im sure many readers slipped in and out of a coma reading them. All this B.S from you due to a simple question that I asked and over the last few days you still havent answered. My guess is that since you began your dribble marathon that you have forgotten the question??
How many teams outside of the Wildcats have Belconnen beaten by 120 points??.....Ever!!

You made the call, now Im asking you the question...

Now to the cure of cancer -

The summer comp is a great idea, one that I asked my then football operations manager about some 15 years ago. He told me that several years earlier the clubs were keen on the idea and as it grew legs it went to a vote. All clubs had to agree for it to pass. All but one club voted for it to go ahead. I believe that club was Southern Districts, Manuka, Eastlake or what ever they called themselves back then (im sure if the club is incorrect someone will let us know).
Tha ACTAFL have tried several things to lift the profile such as bringing in Campbelltown, Wagga and Sydney. All have failed as Canberrans just arent interested in the grass roots. They are only keen to jump on the bandwagon of success. Raiders, late 80's early 90's. Brumbies of today....Look at what happened to the Cannons when they started losing regularly.....Canberrans are very fickle...

Thats the world we live in

I do enjoy someone trying to take the piss out of me.

You wouldn't happen to be the 'courageous' forward who king hit a teenager in a late 90's Grand Final would you?

I used the example of the 120+ point win because I picked up the paper and saw that Belco thrashed the Wildcats, mind you everyone gives the Wildcats a thrashing which is not great, especially when the Swans result was displayed on a national telecast. So no I don't think I could give an answer of another 20 goal win of the top of my head, which wasn't the purpose of my rant.

I would debate the fact about humour in my posts. I believe that a few people have found them quiet funny, but I am getting of the topic again.
The site is about discussing football topics, which is what I was doing. It isn't hard to just scroll past a post if you find it boring.

Just because past idea's haven't been successful in promoting the competition doesn't mean that the competition should change. It is a shame that the Spring/summer competition didn't take off but this is 15 years on. Maybe AFL Canberra should seek advice from some Victorian administrators such as the MPNFL in regards to implementing a player points system. It promotes the development of juniors from within the club and limits cashed up clubs from buying too many players. Obviously the Swans situation would have to be looked at, maybe two Sydney teams splitting up the AFL listed players.

 

[Bring back the 80's]

Footy Park Philip, it is now car cark philip, even the umpires haven't trained there for years mate.

Thanks for that. I thought something like that might have happened, seeing as nobody else had mentioned the ground.
What a shame. Or were the clubs happy to give it up?

 

[Growling Ferret]

Long time lurker, first time poster (in this thread at least)

Footy Park had fallen into disrepair, and AFL Canberra were promised the world with new facilities at Manuka. Granted the new facilities are excellent for warmups / coaching boxes / administration of the league, but grass roots footy lost a great facility with the closure of Footy Park.

The ACT Govt pledged to reopen it about three years ago, but nobody is holding their breath about it - it won't be long before its a Hellenic Club aged care facility...

How do AFL Canberra fix the Seniors Comp? There is a review underway where all Senior and District Clubs have been asked about their opinions on where footy is headed - if both the Swans and Wildcats leave the Seniors comp, the answer is nowhere - fast.

How do you prevent/limit the dominance of the Swans? Perhaps allow them to play the home and away season, win a minor Premiership, and take no part in the finals? They really don't care about a reserves Premiership and there are precedents in other comps where professional teams can not take part in finals.

Where is the future growth? Without a dedicated licenced club, expecting a District Club to step up is an impossible dream - Gungahlin may be the best funded of all District clubs, but without a dedicated poker machine palace, they would always struggle like Tuggeranong does. And speaking to a few of the Jets players, the CD1's team is made up of a lot of blokes who are finished with 3 night a week training and have other commitments like families etc and have no interest in playing top level footy any more. Their Juniors are still a few years away from being able to put a U18's team in, let alone a AFL Canberra Seniors...

 

[Foot In Mouth]

Long time lurker, first time poster (in this thread at least)

Footy Park had fallen into disrepair, and AFL Canberra were promised the world with new facilities at Manuka. Granted the new facilities are excellent for warmups / coaching boxes / administration of the league, but grass roots footy lost a great facility with the closure of Footy Park.

The ACT Govt pledged to reopen it about three years ago, but nobody is holding their breath about it - it won't be long before its a Hellenic Club aged care facility...

How do AFL Canberra fix the Seniors Comp? There is a review underway where all Senior and District Clubs have been asked about their opinions on where footy is headed - if both the Swans and Wildcats leave the Seniors comp, the answer is nowhere - fast.

How do you prevent/limit the dominance of the Swans? Perhaps allow them to play the home and away season, win a minor Premiership, and take no part in the finals? They really don't care about a reserves Premiership and there are precedents in other comps where professional teams can not take part in finals.

Where is the future growth? Without a dedicated licenced club, expecting a District Club to step up is an impossible dream - Gungahlin may be the best funded of all District clubs, but without a dedicated poker machine palace, they would always struggle like Tuggeranong does. And speaking to a few of the Jets players, the CD1's team is made up of a lot of blokes who are finished with 3 night a week training and have other commitments like families etc and have no interest in playing top level footy any more. Their Juniors are still a few years away from being able to put a U18's team in, let alone a AFL Canberra Seniors...

Nice to hear from you Ferrett ! About time we had someone with a few words of comment which isnt based around accussing others of having a dildo up their anal cavity !!!!!

Just thought I might put my usual tips in for the weekend. Tigers just over the Wildcats based on their last dismal effort ! Eastlake to kick more than two goals against the Swans who may slow down a bit to take some of the pressure of them to leave the comp. Tuggers to succumb to a much better Belco combination yet again - probably by 10 goals.

Go Maggies - yet another Grand Final coming up.

 

[WCL]

Look I'm not saying the Wildcats are setting the world on fire but.......

We have only been beaten by 100 pints on 5 occaisons this year, 3 by sydney, but everyone has, in fact we have almost as many 100pt beatings as ainslie they have 4.

In the other games we have been soundly beat en yes, but............. again we have been in front of tuggeranong at half time in one game, in level with ainslie at 3qtr time in one game and in front of qbn at half time in one game. and been more than competitive in other games against more fancied opposition. I don't see why we are getting so much flak, some great things have been achieved off the field this season and I can tell you there has been a lot of clubs in there first season that have struggled. Give it time it will work. plus against belconnen last week we had 9 regular 1st graders out even belconnen would get smashed if that were the case.

 

[A Bit High]

I do enjoy someone trying to take the piss out of me.

You wouldn't happen to be the 'courageous' forward who king hit a teenager in a late 90's Grand Final would you?

I used the example of the 120+ point win because I picked up the paper and saw that Belco thrashed the Wildcats, mind you everyone gives the Wildcats a thrashing which is not great, especially when the Swans result was displayed on a national telecast. So no I don't think I could give an answer of another 20 goal win of the top of my head, which wasn't the purpose of my rant.

I would debate the fact about humour in my posts. I believe that a few people have found them quiet funny, but I am getting of the topic again.
The site is about discussing football topics, which is what I was doing. It isn't hard to just scroll past a post if you find it boring.

Just because past idea's haven't been successful in promoting the competition doesn't mean that the competition should change. It is a shame that the Spring/summer competition didn't take off but this is 15 years on. Maybe AFL Canberra should seek advice from some Victorian administrators such as the MPNFL in regards to implementing a player points system. It promotes the development of juniors from within the club and limits cashed up clubs from buying too many players. Obviously the Swans situation would have to be looked at, maybe two Sydney teams splitting up the AFL listed players.

I can be anyone you want me to be chaddles but sorry no cigar or "billie".

You did cause me to do some research on the "king hit".
Your term "king hit" is definitely exaggerated. But if it was, why was the player not reported or even better still why did no-one from your club have a right crack at the player? Either no-one saw it? Your players were intimidated or it never occurred as you described it. Sources tell me that the player also belted a so called tougher ex swans rookie listed player who also just accepted it.
Rumours are that several players from belco that night got stuck into the 2 black eyed players for not having a crack back? and at least one of them if not both never played 1st grade again.
The "courageous" player walked away with a premiership, a jezza medal and 7 goals......yeh what a dill.

On more important matters, I still think the summer comp should go ahead. Surely it cant do any damage to the league than what is going on now. You cant have teams playing for 2nd with only your club a serious challenger.

Concessions aren't working so maybe the swans should have 2 sides. That would give them 44 players to look at which can only benefit their seniors over time.

I believe they should play finals as I dont believe you should reward a team for coming 5th in a top 4 comp.

Maybe doing something like they do in Adelaide were you have a state based comp with the best teams from around the leagues are in the top tier, followed by the 2nd division of the next best teams and so on and so on. The comp would have several divisions with religation and promotion.

Just a thought...

 

[Growling Ferret]

FIM - I'll admit I don't take much notice of the Seniors, as I have a fair bit to do with a CD's club.

To answer ABH, the Swans have already stated that they are not interested in splitting in to two sides due in part to the cost of having professional support teams (doctor, physio, strapper etc) split across three locations on a weekend.

They have only been dominant the last three years as the AFL side has been relatively injury free for this time, and they were allowed an extra 6 (? I might be wrong) rookies as a concession - these 18 year olds are full time footballers. Remember when the AFL side were smashed by injury, and the Swans struggled?

Maybe the answer is the Swans play with 17 against 18 - or play with a restricted number of interchanges? There have been a thousand suggestions but nobody has the best one yet.

 

[original]

FIM - I'll admit I don't take much notice of the Seniors, as I have a fair bit to do with a CD's club.

To answer ABH, the Swans have already stated that they are not interested in splitting in to two sides due in part to the cost of having professional support teams (doctor, physio, strapper etc) split across three locations on a weekend.

They have only been dominant the last three years as the AFL side has been relatively injury free for this time, and they were allowed an extra 6 (? I might be wrong) rookies as a concession - these 18 year olds are full time footballers. Remember when the AFL side were smashed by injury, and the Swans struggled?

Maybe the answer is the Swans play with 17 against 18 - or play with a restricted number of interchanges? There have been a thousand suggestions but nobody has the best one yet.

The best one yet is to reduced the quarters played against the Swans to 20 minute straight - no time on - effectively reducing the game by approx 20 min. The time on period is usually the period the Swans kick a lot of goals as the opposition have run out of puff.

 

[S Wrench]

anyone able to fill me in on ainslies coach chris rourke?? hows the young bloke been going?

 

[Foot In Mouth]

anyone able to fill me in on ainslies coach chris rourke?? hows the young bloke been going?

Who cares !!!!

 

[chopa23]

Who cares !!!!

dont worry bout this s wrench only a d@#khead belco suppoter would write a useless comment like that.. One of my flat mates plays for ainslie and i have watched him play a few times and he seems like a real passionate bloke the way he speaks and fires the boys up.. My mate said that he doesn't take any shit which is good and that he is also a good bloke

 

[grimlock]

FIM - I'll admit I don't take much notice of the Seniors, as I have a fair bit to do with a CD's club.

To answer ABH, the Swans have already stated that they are not interested in splitting in to two sides due in part to the cost of having professional support teams (doctor, physio, strapper etc) split across three locations on a weekend.

They have only been dominant the last three years as the AFL side has been relatively injury free for this time, and they were allowed an extra 6 (? I might be wrong) rookies as a concession - these 18 year olds are full time footballers. Remember when the AFL side were smashed by injury, and the Swans struggled?

Maybe the answer is the Swans play with 17 against 18 - or play with a restricted number of interchanges? There have been a thousand suggestions but nobody has the best one yet.

Swans are allowed up to 9 rookies, 3 more than the usual fare and I believe they have to be "local NSW" kids.

 

[A Bit High]

The best one yet is to reduced the quarters played against the Swans to 20 minute straight - no time on - effectively reducing the game by approx 20 min. The time on period is usually the period the Swans kick a lot of goals as the opposition have run out of puff.

Original - great idea as many sides have had big scores kicked against in the last quarter expecially. If the time on was cut out it would definitely keep sides in the hunt for longer.

Well done and lets hope someone who can make a call on it reads this site

 

[A Bit High]

Who cares !!!!

Good work dildo, one of your best. You just keep proving me right everytime you tap on the keyboard.
Stop wasting our time please...

 

[Monday night expert]

Original - great idea as many sides have had big scores kicked against in the last quarter expecially. If the time on was cut out it would definitely keep sides in the hunt for longer.

Well done and lets hope someone who can make a call on it reads this site

I am a long time reader of this thread but first time posting. I heard a good suggestion the other day in regards to the Sydney situation. If the senior side is knocked out of the finals then any player who has played a senior game in that year should be ineligible for the afl canberra finals. This would mean that the Swans would have to make the preliminary finals of the AFL in order to field a full team in the AFL Canberra GF. While the swans may make the prelim or granny this year i'm sure their chances of doing this on a year to year basis are slim. This would mean that although the reserves side may be unbeaten all year, they would be playing without their star senior players. This solution seems simple enough and i doubt that the Swans would mind as the senior players don't need to play when the first grade side aren't playing. I also don't see why this couldn't be implemented this year if the Swans are knocked out early. Fingers crossed!

 

[Porkhead]

I am a long time reader of this thread but first time posting. I heard a good suggestion the other day in regards to the Sydney situation. If the senior side is knocked out of the finals then any player who has played a senior game in that year should be ineligible for the afl canberra finals. This would mean that the Swans would have to make the preliminary finals of the AFL in order to field a full team in the AFL Canberra GF. While the swans may make the prelim or granny this year i'm sure their chances of doing this on a year to year basis are slim. This would mean that although the reserves side may be unbeaten all year, they would be playing without their star senior players. This solution seems simple enough and i doubt that the Swans would mind as the senior players don't need to play when the first grade side aren't playing. I also don't see why this couldn't be implemented this year if the Swans are knocked out early. Fingers crossed!

Really good idea MNE. If this were to happen, suggest making it a final 5 so to cover a potentially weakened side which doesn't want to win it anyway,Swans, and give a team like Tuggers this year a crack at it.
I know a final 5 in a 7 team comp. is a bit of a luxury but if the Swans really struggle without their 1st graders and have injuries it might make for an embarassing finals.A few years ago they went out in straight sets with out a lot of their regulars.

 

[bigswan]

Why shouldn't the Swans be able to play their best side in the finals with restrictions regarding the number of games a player has played in the firsts. In 2003 and 2004 the Swans were defeated in the prelim. They won't always have a side as strong as they do now and injuries are always a factor. The Canberra sides should be aiming at beating the Swans on their merits.

 

[Growling Ferret]

Big swan

The hardest part for the Canberra sides is this - their players have jobs and football is not their primary source of income in the majority of cases. The Swans Reserves side is filled with full time professional rookie AFL Listed players - plus half a dozen full time professional listed players unable to get a run in seniors.

Belconnen and Eastlake have raised their bar dramatically higher, but do not have full time professional footballers dominating their sides.

It is not a level playing field - and the Swans complete dominance for the last three seasons shows this. The League knows this, the AFL Canberra clubs know this. It is easy to say 'aim up' or 'get better', but there are realities involved - and whilst the Swans are able to be physically fitter than their opponents due to the nature of their employment, it is a task beyond the normal clubs.

To be honest, do any AFL Canberra regulars believe that an ACT team would beat the Swans reserves?

 

[original]

Big swan

The hardest part for the Canberra sides is this - their players have jobs and football is not their primary source of income in the majority of cases. The Swans Reserves side is filled with full time professional rookie AFL Listed players - plus half a dozen full time professional listed players unable to get a run in seniors.

Belconnen and Eastlake have raised their bar dramatically higher, but do not have full time professional footballers dominating their sides.

It is not a level playing field - and the Swans complete dominance for the last three seasons shows this. The League knows this, the AFL Canberra clubs know this. It is easy to say 'aim up' or 'get better', but there are realities involved - and whilst the Swans are able to be physically fitter than their opponents due to the nature of their employment, it is a task beyond the normal clubs.

To be honest, do any AFL Canberra regulars believe that an ACT team would beat the Swans reserves?

What are you asking - ACT Team as in a rep team or one of the teams in the comp ?

 

[bushfooty]

I am a long time reader of this thread but first time posting. I heard a good suggestion the other day in regards to the Sydney situation. If the senior side is knocked out of the finals then any player who has played a senior game in that year should be ineligible for the afl canberra finals. This would mean that the Swans would have to make the preliminary finals of the AFL in order to field a full team in the AFL Canberra GF. While the swans may make the prelim or granny this year i'm sure their chances of doing this on a year to year basis are slim. This would mean that although the reserves side may be unbeaten all year, they would be playing without their star senior players. This solution seems simple enough and i doubt that the Swans would mind as the senior players don't need to play when the first grade side aren't playing. I also don't see why this couldn't be implemented this year if the Swans are knocked out early. Fingers crossed!

Although I believe that it would be great to see a side beat the swans when they have no restrictions I too believe that there is bugger all chance of seeing this happen due to everything everyone else has already pointed out.

With all these ideas getting thrown around I just thought I would flag an idea which I heard the other day. It has no chance of happening but still I think it would be a pretty interesting concept and one that would even up the competition a fair bit.

Just like the AFL, it would be great to see a PreSeason Draft in which the swans players are 'Drafted' to the sides here in Canberra. When drafted they will then represent that Team for the year.

The draft would work just like the AFL where by the Wooden Spooners would have the first pick and so on and so on, lifting the standard of the competition and the competitiveness of the competition right up from the bottom of the ladder to the top.

If the drafted players were to be picked in the Swans Seniors then the team that drafted them would just have to deal with it, so this would have to be a consideration when Picking your Drafted players, same with injury.

I think something like this would work on a lot of different levels...Swans reserves still get a great standard of footy, local junior players then have the opportunity to play along side future stars, clubs wouldn't have to go and recruit 4 or 5 money hungry tools from VIC SA etc, but more importantly the Premiership will be won by a local club every year.

As I said, this idea has got no chance of getting off the ground but just thought it was an interesting idea...

 

[Growling Ferret]

Would the combined ACT Rep side beat the Swans Reserves?

 

[Foot In Mouth]

Bushfooty
Although I believe that it would be great to see a side beat the swans when they have no restrictions I too believe that there is bugger all chance of seeing this happen due to everything everyone else has already pointed out.

With all these ideas getting thrown around I just thought I would flag an idea which I heard the other day. It has no chance of happening but still I think it would be a pretty interesting concept and one that would even up the competition a fair bit.

Just like the AFL, it would be great to see a PreSeason Draft in which the swans players are 'Drafted' to the sides here in Canberra. When drafted they will then represent that Team for the year.

The draft would work just like the AFL where by the Wooden Spooners would have the first pick and so on and so on, lifting the standard of the competition and the competitiveness of the competition right up from the bottom of the ladder to the top.

If the drafted players were to be picked in the Swans Seniors then the team that drafted them would just have to deal with it, so this would have to be a consideration when Picking your Drafted players, same with injury.

I think something like this would work on a lot of different levels...Swans reserves still get a great standard of footy, local junior players then have the opportunity to play along side future stars, clubs wouldn't have to go and recruit 4 or 5 money hungry tools from VIC SA etc, but more importantly the Premiership will be won by a local club every year.

As I said, this idea has got no chance of getting off the ground but just thought it was an interesting idea...

Foot in Mouth
Stay in the bush mate. As if Swans would allow Barry Hall to come and play with Canberra Wildcats at Stirling Oval. Stupid idea !!!

 

[no orange peeler]

Bushfooty
Although I believe that it would be great to see a side beat the swans when they have no restrictions I too believe that there is bugger all chance of seeing this happen due to everything everyone else has already pointed out.

With all these ideas getting thrown around I just thought I would flag an idea which I heard the other day. It has no chance of happening but still I think it would be a pretty interesting concept and one that would even up the competition a fair bit.

Just like the AFL, it would be great to see a PreSeason Draft in which the swans players are 'Drafted' to the sides here in Canberra. When drafted they will then represent that Team for the year.

The draft would work just like the AFL where by the Wooden Spooners would have the first pick and so on and so on, lifting the standard of the competition and the competitiveness of the competition right up from the bottom of the ladder to the top.

If the drafted players were to be picked in the Swans Seniors then the team that drafted them would just have to deal with it, so this would have to be a consideration when Picking your Drafted players, same with injury.

I think something like this would work on a lot of different levels...Swans reserves still get a great standard of footy, local junior players then have the opportunity to play along side future stars, clubs wouldn't have to go and recruit 4 or 5 money hungry tools from VIC SA etc, but more importantly the Premiership will be won by a local club every year.

As I said, this idea has got no chance of getting off the ground but just thought it was an interesting idea...

Foot in Mouth
Stay in the bush mate. As if Swans would allow Barry Hall to come and play with Canberra Wildcats at Stirling Oval. Stupid idea !!!

For once fim you have actually contributed something that is even half worth reading. I think you'll find they do something similar in the SANFL, and WAFL with the crows, port eagles and dockers players. You would know more ABH, wouldn't you. This would also be a great way to introduce a state wide league using the swans players filted througout clubs. Ie say Canberra sides, couple from sydney a few from the riverina and have a top tier State league then have a number of minor leagues beneath it that could work on a promotion, relegation basis. Just a thought.