Coach AFL Coaches Votes 2021
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Has any other team had more players get votes than us? 18 seems like a lot through 8 games
VOTES
PLAYER (CLUB)
9
Jack Darling (WCE)
9
Tim Kelly (WCE)
6
Nic Naitanui (WCE)
3
Rory Laird (ADEL)
3
Jamie Cripps (WCE)
Current Overall Total:
31 Tim Kelly
26 Nic Naitanui
21 Dom Sheed
20 Andrew Gaff
23 Jack Darling
16 Oscar Allen
8 Luke Shuey
7 Shannon Hurn
5 Jack Petch
5 Jeremy McGovern
4 Liam Duggan
4 Jack Redden
3 Tom Barrass
3 Brad Sheppard
3 Jamie Cripps
2 Josh Rotham
2 Ah Chee
1 Jermaine Jones
1 Josh J Kennedy
PLAYER (CLUB)
9
Jack Darling (WCE)
9
Tim Kelly (WCE)
6
Nic Naitanui (WCE)
3
Rory Laird (ADEL)
3
Jamie Cripps (WCE)
Current Overall Total:
31 Tim Kelly
26 Nic Naitanui
21 Dom Sheed
20 Andrew Gaff
23 Jack Darling
16 Oscar Allen
8 Luke Shuey
7 Shannon Hurn
5 Jack Petch
5 Jeremy McGovern
4 Liam Duggan
4 Jack Redden
3 Tom Barrass
3 Brad Sheppard
3 Jamie Cripps
2 Josh Rotham
2 Ah Chee
1 Jermaine Jones
1 Josh J Kennedy
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So JD and TK both got a 5 and 4 from both coaches whilst Nic Nat got two 3s. I'm betting Darling's 5 came from Matty Nicks because it was his five goal haul in the second quarter that stopped Adelaide from coming close to winning.
Darling's game was bizarre. Did jack (lol) s**t for three quarters, but in the one quarter he bothered to show up, he proved to be the difference between the sides. He kicked 5 goals, one of which was an unnecessary nutmeg, and the other a snap after dropping an uncontested mark.
As a summary of a player, it was perfect.
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TK has quietly reached the heights we got him to do. With No Yeo and Shuey he has become a different player. Statistically speaking his up on most areas of his game. Unfortunately goals are well below. Just need Yeoy and boots back soon and we can let him off the chain a bit
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Sheeds best games have been better but consistency wise Reddo been more consistent. Agree why Simmo doesn't rate him.
Redden was runner up Club Champion and joint player of the finals (with Sheed funnily enough given the topic) in a premiership year so I daresay Simmo does rate him.
I'm not too fussed that TK isn't kicking goals. He's directly setting them up, and I'd say it's probably to do with our wealth of forward targets, thus game style/plan, versus Geelong's.
I’d also say his role changes to be much more forward of centre when Shuey and Yeo comes back. So a little bit like how Dustin Martin contests the centre bounce and then pushes hard forward to create scoring opportunities or hit the scoreboard himself. It’s what he did really well at the cats with Danger and Selwood taking the inside heat.
(Side note, looked up a stat because I was curious.
- Since his 2018 debut Kelly has registered 111 rebound 50’s in his 75 game career.
- In the same time period, Martin has registered 18. Only 1 this year. He is purely an offensive weapon for the tigers.
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Not sure if he is there just yet, but he is definitely on the move after being a bit up and down in the very early parts of the season.
He's bloody dynamic with the ball in hand, and I reckon a long 40-50 metre kick from Kelly into the forward line arrives about a half-second quicker than if it were from any of our other (non-injured) midfielders, which just makes the defenders lives that little bit more stressful. Can't get enough of the centre bounce combo NicNat to TK who drives it deep into the forward line.
The obvious next step is to see him do this against some of the top teams in the competition, because I think it would be fair to say he hasn't really blown apart any big opposition thus far in his Eagles career.
Things definitely going in the right direction though with TK (not that I ever thought he was performing poorly - just a bit below the expectation that was set in such a high profile trade).
That's a fair point. I think it's easy to forget he's played 10 games or less with Yeo and Shuey in the side.
Selwood and Danger are pretty durable, he probably got 40+ games over two seasons at Geelong working alongside those two.
Nah that's a comment from someone who doesn't actually know what's happening out there. Sheed has always had the smartest set up footy brain through the midfield, even Mitchell had him directing traffic and positioning at stoppages and he was still basically a kid. The trouble as far as Simmo goes is Sheed also gets into space well to receive as he is such a smart reader and gets to the right areas ( the reason he was able to read the play and run forward in the right spot in the 2018 grand final and the same when freed up to run forward the other week that netted him a quick bag), but Simmo didn't want him to be just that player. He's a bit unique because he is also damn good at first drop but defensively he was always weak and to some extent still struggles with that. However he has improved vastly this season (have a look at his tackle averages this year, up from an average of less than 1 a game over his journey so far to almost 3 this year, getting closer to all the other midfielder tackle averages).
What that means is Simmo now has a guy who regularly gets a role and position change around stoppages and centre square, it's just the average punter has no idea. Simmo wants it and believes the more multiple roles, the harder for opposition to work out and cover. Most just see him somewhere around the contest and think he's doing the same thing the whole game but it's not the case, nor has it been for Gaff particularly this year, it's far more nuanced than people understand.
Generally Reddens role and positioning is staying the same for now. He doesn't read the game unfolding well enough to be the forward of the contest option provider, nor does he deliver it as well and he's still a bit slow defensively also. He has been given opportunities to be the forward of contest option provider and deliverer but generally doesn't do it as well. We'll even change things up a bit and look to a modified Cripps role now rather than Jack as the option (not sure how that will go against good teams). It means whilst Gaff, Sheed and Kelly have become more rounded and can be moved around regarding the actual roles at stoppages, Redden remains pretty much set at the moment.
That's fine, he's doing ok but unless you're playing the defensive wing or half forward role where you can easily just get lost and missed all game as you cover the defensive outlets, getting played in the one role is much simpler and consequently you need to smash that role to get votes.
There's been a few issues with leadership in the way Sheed has been handled actually. As Simmo kept demanding he get better in areas of weakness he would get singled out in the midfield group and that lowers the leadership ability. Trouble is he directs and understands better than the others around setups and had been empowered to speak up and direct previously. It sent a confusing message to the group after Mitchell left.
He's an interesting one Sheed, he doesn't speak particularly "educated" shall we say but is actually almost always on the money with setups if people listen. All the scouts prior to being drafted said the same and he was chosen to lead WA under 18s accordingly. There are a few in each side who mistake his speech for a lack of knowledge regarding football, they couldn't be more wrong.
I believe Allen will be our next captain but make no mistake, whether people continue to focus on his weaknesses or not Sheed is the natural midfield general.
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I love the big fella, it was almost the perfect Jack Darling game. If he performed a ninja flip he would have had a 10, reckon Simmo.deducted 1 point for that oversight.
Some inside knowledge there. Thanks for sharing.
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Dom "Suma" Sheed.
If we can ever get Shuey and Yeo back on the park (in some condition) Kelly will flourish.
Or he won't, because Naitanui and Shuey have an uncanny connection that'll see his clearance numbers drop.
Or he won't, because Naitanui and Shuey have an uncanny connection that'll see his clearance numbers drop.
OTES
PLAYER (CLUB)
9
Callan Ward (GWS)
5
Tom Green (GWS)
4
Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
3
Jacob Hopper (GWS)
3
Josh Kelly (GWS)
2
Harry Himmelberg (GWS)
2
Nic Naitanui (WCE)
1
Connor Idun (GWS)
1
Tim Kelly (WCE)
PLAYER (CLUB)
9
Callan Ward (GWS)
5
Tom Green (GWS)
4
Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
3
Jacob Hopper (GWS)
3
Josh Kelly (GWS)
2
Harry Himmelberg (GWS)
2
Nic Naitanui (WCE)
1
Connor Idun (GWS)
1
Tim Kelly (WCE)
Current Overall Total:
32 Tim Kelly
29 Nic Naitanui
21 Dom Sheed
20 Andrew Gaff
23 Jack Darling
16 Oscar Allen
8 Luke Shuey
7 Shannon Hurn
5 Jack Petch
5 Jeremy McGovern
4 Liam Duggan
4 Jack Redden
3 Tom Barrass
3 Brad Sheppard
3 Jamie Cripps
2 Josh Rotham
2 Ah Chee
1 Jermaine Jones
1 Josh J Kennedy
32 Tim Kelly
29 Nic Naitanui
21 Dom Sheed
20 Andrew Gaff
23 Jack Darling
16 Oscar Allen
8 Luke Shuey
7 Shannon Hurn
5 Jack Petch
5 Jeremy McGovern
4 Liam Duggan
4 Jack Redden
3 Tom Barrass
3 Brad Sheppard
3 Jamie Cripps
2 Josh Rotham
2 Ah Chee
1 Jermaine Jones
1 Josh J Kennedy
Shuey in 7th spot despite not even playing one full game. Followed by Hurn who has missed quite a few too. Says a lot, too much is being carried by too few.
This year it's been Kelly and Nic Nat then daylight so the coaches have it right.
Usual weirdness where 1 coach gives Green 5 and the other gives Green 0.
Mixed bag across ALL votes except Ward getting votes from both coaches with a 5&4
