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Norm Smith Medallist
- Feb 14, 2017
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- Hawthorn
He must have started playing at age 40.
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I don't recall Lockett ever saying that.Was it Tony Lockett who said the opinions of people who never played in the AFL are worthless?
Until someone like Bolton leads a club to a premiership, doubts will remain in some quarters.
Yeah, I know, SANFL etc. Don't want to start an argument about the definition of "top level" here.Coach|Club(s)|Career|M|W|L|D|Win %|Best
\Fagan, Chris|Br|2017-2018|37|8|29|0|21.6|16th*
\Bolton, Brendon|Ha,Ca|2014-2018|64|19|45|0|29.7|14th
\McCartney, Brendan|WB|2012-2014|66|20|46|0|30.3|14th
\Riley, Mark|Me|2007|9|3|6|0|33.3|caretaker
\Craig, Neil|Ad,Me|2004-2013|177|93|84|0|52.5|3rd
\Brittain, Wayne|Ca|2001-2002|46|18|28|0|39.1|6th
\Kinnear, Col|Sy|1989-1991|66|23|42|1|35.6|7th
\Todd, John|WC|1988-1989|45|20|25|0|44.4|5th
\Hammond, Bob A.|Sy|1984|8|3|5|0|37.5|caretaker
\Cahill, John|Co,PA|1983-1998|91|46|43|2|51.6|4th
\Jordon, Ray|NM|1976|1|0|1|0|0.0|fill-in
\Thomas, Hughie|St|1944-1945|38|8|28|2|23.7|9th
\Cassidy, Jim|WB|1926|8|1|7|0|12.5|sacked
\Melling, Ted|Fi|1919|9|4|4|1|50.0|caretaker
\Brown, Vic|Un|1913|18|0|18|0|0.0|10th
\Hickinbotham, Dave|Ge|1910-1911|36|18|16|2|52.8|5th
\Strickland, Bill|Co|1904-1908|13|8|5|0|61.5|3rd
\Worrall, John|Ca,Es|1902-1920|279|165|110|4|59.9|5 flags
Bad analogy.Channel 9 have a policy that you can not commentate on the Ashes unless you actually played in an Ashes series (with the exception of Mark Nicholas)
Look how that worked out,we were left with insipid and boring commentators like Michael Clarke and other relics from a bygone era.
We could of been listening to Gerard Whateley,Isa Guha ,Alison Mitchell,Ricky Ponting,all far superior to aforementioned.
It would be foolish and narrow minded to think only a coach with AFL experience can coach.
Neil Craig (ADEL), Chris Fagan (BRIS), Allan Joyce (HAW) - three AFL coaches, 2 of who enjoyed success and as far as I know they did not play at the highest level, while Fagan is proving to be the missing link at BrisbaneSo Kane Cornes thinks Brendan Bolton not playing at the highest level is a giant elephant in the room when it comes to his coaching.
Without turning this into a discussion about Bolton himself, do you actually think not playing AFL is a serious issue for any AFL level coach?
Me personally I don’t think so. Obviously it’s not footy but in the NBA you’ve got Greg Popovich who’s one of the greatest coaches ever, never played a single NBA minute. Then in soccer you’ve got Jose Mourinho who never played at the highest level but did learn off some all time greats. I think that as long as you have good mentors, you can motivate players and you understand the game well you can succeed.
One of my mates makes the argument that footy is different because you’re asking blokes to run through a wall for you basically and how is any AFL player going to listen to the words of someone who hasn’t experienced it in the AFL.
I think in the future we’ll probably see more coaches coming from less traditional backgrounds as we realise that a lot of players turn out to be rubbish coaches.
Thoughts?
Can we have the list of great AFL/VFL players who have been s**t coaches, too?Was it Tony Lockett who said the opinions of people who never played in the AFL are worthless?
Until someone like Bolton leads a club to a premiership, doubts will remain in some quarters.
Yeah, I know, SANFL etc. Don't want to start an argument about the definition of "top level" here.Coach|Club(s)|Career|M|W|L|D|Win %|Best
\Fagan, Chris|Br|2017-2018|37|8|29|0|21.6|16th*
\Bolton, Brendon|Ha,Ca|2014-2018|64|19|45|0|29.7|14th
\McCartney, Brendan|WB|2012-2014|66|20|46|0|30.3|14th
\Riley, Mark|Me|2007|9|3|6|0|33.3|caretaker
\Craig, Neil|Ad,Me|2004-2013|177|93|84|0|52.5|3rd
\Brittain, Wayne|Ca|2001-2002|46|18|28|0|39.1|6th
\Kinnear, Col|Sy|1989-1991|66|23|42|1|35.6|7th
\Todd, John|WC|1988-1989|45|20|25|0|44.4|5th
\Hammond, Bob A.|Sy|1984|8|3|5|0|37.5|caretaker
\Cahill, John|Co,PA|1983-1998|91|46|43|2|51.6|4th
\Jordon, Ray|NM|1976|1|0|1|0|0.0|fill-in
\Thomas, Hughie|St|1944-1945|38|8|28|2|23.7|9th
\Cassidy, Jim|WB|1926|8|1|7|0|12.5|sacked
\Melling, Ted|Fi|1919|9|4|4|1|50.0|caretaker
\Brown, Vic|Un|1913|18|0|18|0|0.0|10th
\Hickinbotham, Dave|Ge|1910-1911|36|18|16|2|52.8|5th
\Strickland, Bill|Co|1904-1908|13|8|5|0|61.5|3rd
\Worrall, John|Ca,Es|1902-1920|279|165|110|4|59.9|5 flags
One stand out at Geelong was Polly Farmer. Unbelievably great and ground breaking player, but an appalling coach; was more concerned about the horses and his bets than anything on the field.Can we have the list of great AFL/VFL players who have been s**t coaches, too?
The best project managers tend to have never done the job, they know how to put together a team of professionals, use there relevant expertise and lead/manage to complete the task.
Allan Joyce was no star player, but he did manage 49 senior games for Hawthorn.Neil Craig (ADEL), Chris Fagan (BRIS), Allan Joyce (HAW) - three AFL coaches, 2 of who enjoyed success and as far as I know they did not play at the highest level, while Fagan is proving to be the missing link at Brisbane
Can we have the list of great AFL/VFL players who have been s**t coaches, too?
You will earn yourself a spot in the BF HoF one day, Ron.Hall of Fame players with worse records than Bolton
Coach|M|W|L|D|Win %|Club(s)|Career
\Murray, Kevin|34|0|34|0|0.0|Fi|1963-1964
\Dixon, Brian|44|6|37|1|14.8|NM|1971-1972
\Hart, Royce|53|8|45|0|15.1|WB|1980-1982
\Foote, Les|36|5|30|1|15.3|St|1954-1955
\Smith, Ross G.|22|3|17|2|18.2|St|1977
\Fitzmaurice, Tom|26|6|20|0|23.1|Ge,NM|1928-1934
\Coventry senior, Syd|36|8|26|2|25.0|WB|1935-1937
\Ditterich, Carl|44|11|33|0|25.0|Me|1979-1980
\McKenna, Guy|88|24|64|0|27.3|GC|2011-2014
\Cazaly, Roy|82|22|58|2|28.0|Sy,Ha|1922-1943
\Watson, Tim|44|12|31|1|28.4|St|1999-2000
\Baldock, Darrel|62|18|44|0|29.0|St|1987-1989
If they didn't respect the fact he'd been part of Hawthorns success then the issue ain't BoltsSenior coach needs to command respect from the playing group. Much more likely to get respect initially from a bunch of footballers if the coach was a good player himself so I reckon Bolton would have been behind the 8-ball to start with and have to win respect other ways instead. Doesn't help when you're not winning though
You will earn yourself a spot in the BF HoF one day, Ron.
Thanks. Should have Google searched before postingAllan Joyce was no star player, but he did manage 49 senior games for Hawthorn.
He then moved to the VFA and captain coached Preston to back to back flags.