Game Day AFL Round 4 - Collingwood vs Melbourne Matchday Discussion.

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2016 AFL PREMIERSHIP SEASON
ROUND 4
COLLINGWOOD VS MELBOURNE
SUNDAY 17TH APRIL
3.20PM
M.C.G.

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There is trouble a foot at Collingwood. On Saturday afternoon at the M.C.G. the biggest sporting club in the land performed terribly, there's no way of sugar coating it. Matching up against a team they were expected to defeat, St Kilda, Collingwood lacked the level of intensity and execution that is needed to perform at the top level. The Magpies third quarter in particular was bordering on pathetic, allowing the Saints to absolutely dominate for the first 20 minutes after half time. That was the game gone, no chance of coming back when you're playing with as little effort and skill as this Magpies outfit is at the moment. Ultimately the Saints won by 29 points and relegated Collingwood to the bottom 5 of the ladder after 3 rounds, with a 1-2 win/loss record and a lowly percentage of 68.05.

The silver lining, if there is one, is that it's still early in the season and that means there's plenty of chances coming up to rectify the performances of the first three weeks. I say the first three weeks because even the win over Richmond in round 2 isn't looking all that good, after the Tigers were pushed aside by the Crows around the same time the Pies were laying down against St Kilda. This weekend brings the first opportunity of redemption, a matchup versus one of the Pies oldest foes, Melbourne at the M.C.G. The Demons have plenty of problems of their own, with only win one out of their first 3 games. On form though Melbourne should start favourite for this game.

COLLINGWOOD PREVIEW

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First to the positives, the very few positives out of the loss to St Kilda. Taylor Adams endured and gathered 28 disposals and a goal, leading the Magpies midfield brigade. Brodie Grundy showed why he is the clear number one ruckman at the club gathering 16 possessions and matching Tom Hickey in hitouts. Across half back Tom Langdon, Adam Oxley and Brayden Maynard used the ball well and gave the Pies some drive that led to a total of 90 points on the scoreboard. After that there wasn't much to write home about really.

There were more negatives than positives of course, but the major ones included Collingwood's inability to defend at both ends. Collingwood could neither hold the ball inside their offensive zone or repel the ball once it entered the Saints forward line. The Magpies are last, dead last for time allowed in the defensive area of the ground, showing that quite simply they are allowing their opposition to move the ball far too easily. It's harsh to single out individuals but Ben Sinclair, Tyson Goldsack and Jarryd Blair had 5 tackles between them, FIVE. Come on now, these are three of the more defensively minded players at the club yet they couldn't average 2 tackles each over 120 minutes, something stinks there. One of the major issues is ball use also, with more than half of the 22 who played on Saturday failing to achieve a 70% disposal efficiency rate. That is highlighted by the Magpies defensive half turning the ball over more then any other team except for the struggling Fremantle Dockers are three rounds.

Coming into the game versus the Demons the Pies have has lost another key player, with Marley Williams going down with a foot injury that will keep him out for up to a month. Thankfully there's a few players returning, with Steele Sidebottom available after serving his two match suspension, Travis Varcoe fully recovered from a hamstring injury and Alan Toovey dominated in the VFL game on Sunday. Those 3 players alone bring experience and a guaranteed effort, something this Magpies team was missing on Saturday. There were other options for coach Nathan Buckley and his assistants to consider too. In that VFL game, a strong win over Port Melbourne to start the regular season, Jesse White, Jack Frost, Brent Macaffer, Rupert Wills and Mason Cox all impressed. Cox is the interesting one there, the American behemoth was promoted off the rookie list this week but at the moment is only an emergency. Cox has shown more propensity to play forward than any other ruckman on the Collingwood list, and could still make his senior debut this Saturday.

It may well be what Collingwood needs too, a few new names in the senior side to kick start what has been a woeful start to the 2016 season. Varcoe, Sidebottom, Toovey and maybe Cox would add a freshness to a side that has looked stale of late. This is still a very winnable game for Collingwood, on talent they should win really but they will have to bring a proper four quarter effort or risk losing to another up and coming team.


MELBOURNE PREVIEW

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In season 2016 Melbourne were looking to continue their push up the ladder after an encouraging 2015 campaign. After finishing in the bottom four in three consecutive years the Demons climbed to 13th at the end of last season, only one spot behind their opponents this weekend. So far this year, after three rounds the Dees may well be described as the Jekyll and Hyde of the AFL. They started with an encouraging come from behind win over the GWS Giants, before a dismal performance saw them lose to a weakened Essendon outfit. Then last week they played their best game of the season, at least offensively, when they pushed North Melbourne to the limit, only to go down by 5 points. In that game Melbourne came from 7 goals down early on score 20.11.131, but their lack of a defensive structure saw them unable to hold the Roos out late. It was a better display than the week before though, that's for sure.

Did Melbourne turn a corner last week against North Melbourne? For the past few seasons under Paul Roos the Dees have been the lowest scoring side in the AFL. Yet last week they went bang, maybe because it was the only way to get back from 7 goals down against a good side in North Melbourne, but still they may have unlocked something. You get the feeling they won't hold back against a struggling Collingwood side either, so their forward line's ability to convert their inside 50's will be interesting to watch. Last season the Demons were in the bottom half for scores per insider 50, but against North they scored nearly 50% of the time, a big improvement. That improvement might just come from their small forwards too with Garlett, Kennedy and Kent all capable of scoring. The Magpies defense is depleted also which should make it easier for the Dees to score once inside forward 50.

The Melbourne midfield took a blow after the North loss with Bernie Vince suspended for one game for an elbow to the neck of an opposition player, and Aaron Vandenberg ruled out with an ankle injury. It's an even bigger blow given the 30 possession, 3 goal, best on ground performance Vince had versus the Pies late last season. The Demons won that game quite easily (by 37 points) and ended a losing streak to the Magpies that went back to 2007. There's still plenty of talent in the middle with Angus Brayhsaw the likely replacement for Vince. The likes of Jones (times 2), Tyson, Oliver, Viney and Brayshaw show you why the Dees have been impressive in the clearances so far in 2016. The Magpies midfield, is still performing at a decent level, more so than it's defense anyway, so that central grouping will have to be on their game to get first hands on the ball.

The Demons backline might be their weakest part of the ground but is well protected most weeks by a defensive mindset from the whole team. Tom McDonald, Lynden Dunn and ex Pie Heritier Lumumba lead the way down back and do a creditable job. What Melbourne seems to lack though is real drive out of defense with the likes of Jetta, Salem, Bugg and Lumumba having the potential to drive them forward but not being effective most weeks. The good news is Collingwod's retention rate inside their forward 50 has been woeful so far this season, which means the Dees should be able to clear it out of the backline easily. The matchups that may worry this defense are clear, with Travis Cloke and Alex Fasolo being the only two Magpie forwards you really have to worry about at the moment. McDonald should get Cloke while the rest will rotate through Fasolo with Dunn maybe getting first crack.

Melbourne can win this game, that's pretty clear to see given their form and relatively small injury list. They way they played against North Melbourne last week would be enough to push this measly Collingwood outfit aside if the Magpies don't improve on their recent output. At selection the Melbourne coaching staff have some choices with their VFL side having a massive win to open the regular season. Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, Weideman, McDonald and Garlett are all pushing for inclusion in this game and should be able to cover the absence of Bernie Vince for this week. It's a game Melbourne will believe they can win and back home at the MCG (all be it a Collingwood home game) the Dees will be looking to repeat the effort of last year and defeat their old foes once again.

TEAMS

MAGPIES

B: B.Sinclair, N.Brown, T.Langdon

HB: T.Goldsack, B.Reid, A.Toovey

C: A.Oxley, A.Treloar, S.Sidebottom

HF: T.Varcoe, D.Moore, J.De Goey

F: A.Fasolo, T.Cloke, J.Howe

R: B.Grundy, S.Pendlebury, T.Adams

I/C: J.Blair, J.Aish, L.Greenwood, J.Crisp

EMG: B.Macaffer, M.Goodyear, M.Cox

IN: A.Toovey, T.Varcoe, S.Sidebottom

OUT: M.Williams (foot), B.Maynard (hamstring), M.Goodyear

DEMONS

B: N.Jetta, T.McDonald, T.Bugg

HB: L.Dunn, H.Lumumba, C.Salem

C: J.Harmes, D.Tyson, C.Oliver

HF: J.Watts, S.Frost, M.Jones

F: D.Kent, J.Hogan, B.Kennedy

R: M.Gawn, N.Jones, J.Viney

I/C: A.Brayshaw, C.Pedersen, J.Hunt, J.Wagner

IN: C.Pedersen, A.Brayshaw, J.Hunt

OUT: B.Vince (suspension), A.Vandenberg (ankle), B.Stretch

TIP

If you're assessing this game on form, injury lists and matchups Melbourne win, sorry but they do. Collingwood's form over the first three weeks wouldn't beat anyone at the moment, well except for Richmond, and how ludicrous does that make them look. There is a potential there though for this Magpies team to simply out perform the Demons if they, for lack of a better term, turn up. Melbourne are still a developing team, they don't win too many out of turn and aren't a finals threat, that much is clear. This is a game Collingwood should be winning, but I have little confidence in either team really. Pies in a close one, maybe.

MAGPIES BY 3 POINTS.
 
Gone bit Early Matty;)

This is a Massive Game. It's almost a Must Win. We are 1-2 so going to 1-3 we are getting into Dangerous Territory.

We will lose in the Ruck as Gawn is the Form ruckman in the AFL.

I worry about our Backline as it's been Shocking this season.

Hope we get a Totally Different Magpie Side then 1st 3 Rounds

But

I seen nothing yet to make me think the Pies will win. Melbourne by 32pts
 
Love your work.........this time I will be there in person and the truth is I will take 3 points after this week!

Go Pies
 

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Whilst the Demons didn't win last week, they certainly put in a fantastic effort, and unfortunately for them putting in consistent effort has been troubling. How last weeks team was almost the same team that lost to Essendon astounds me. Physically the high scoring and contested nature of that game may have taken a toll on them. Playing soft footy the way we have, you would have to believe that we have a lot of built up energy just waiting to be released, we saw what we were capable last year, we shouldn't have too many sore boys, baring Pendles.

Daniher destroyed the Demons 2 weeks ago, 15 marks I believe, it might be a big ask, but Moore plays just as tall as Daniher, I really believe he could have a huge game if he is fit.

We were the youngest side in the comp last week, and we've brought in a lot of experience for this week, which may be what the doctor ordered.

Sidebottom is a link up player on the outside we've been craving, Varcoe applying pressure in the forward half could be influential but as a unit we obviously have to improve tremendously, and if the boys aren't fired up after last week, I have no idea what will fire them up.

As Bucks mentioned, we didn't have many inside 50's last week, but we scored most of the time we did get it in there, Howe will surely be fired up for this one, if he can build a steady relationship with Fasolo, they could be damaging.

We will improve, no doubt about it, and I predict it will be this week that we start our steady climb.
 
Tooves, Reid, Brown, Goldsack in the back half, making of a premiership defense or the end of one??

Big turnaround this week, would love to see Cloke dominate this week.
 
Not sure 'which Collingwood' will turn up today (nor which Melbourne).

Sidebottom and Varcoe are really useful ins. Honestly thought we had done the worst out of the three-way trade with Clark and Lumumba, but Varcoe has been great, especially with his defensive work, love his chase / run and physicality.

Wonder if it will end up a shootout like the first encounter last year.

As long as the effort is evident and our disposal efficiency improves, I'll be happy. Go pies!
 

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Not sure 'which Collingwood' will turn up today (nor which Melbourne).

Sidebottom and Varcoe are really useful ins. Honestly thought we had done the worst out of the three-way trade with Clark and Lumumba, but Varcoe has been great, especially with his defensive work, love his chase / run and physicality.

Wonder if it will end up a shootout like the first encounter last year.

As long as the effort is evident and our disposal efficiency improves, I'll be happy. Go pies!
Finally a positive post on this board. So sick of the negativity
 
Quite simply we have to win.

We do VP. We will know early if the boys are ready to play. Let's get back to the old Collingwood of high pressure and manic tackling. Crush the Dees.
 
Disagree that we HAVE to win, I would be content with a loss if there was noticeable improvement from last week to suggest we are on the right track. Hard to turn around such a failed execution of gameplan in one week, and the Dees may have a really good game. All that said, a win would be a much better boost for the team.
 
Disagree that we HAVE to win, I would be content with a loss if there was noticeable improvement from last week to suggest we are on the right track. Hard to turn around such a failed execution of gameplan in one week, and the Dees may have a really good game. All that said, a win would be a much better boost for the team.

I think if we lose this week it will be an absolute disaster. Bucks has delivered his one-time-only message to the supporters and the pre-season expectation has fallen off a cliff. The club must make a stand tomorrow.
 
Disagree that we HAVE to win, I would be content with a loss if there was noticeable improvement from last week to suggest we are on the right track. Hard to turn around such a failed execution of gameplan in one week, and the Dees may have a really good game. All that said, a win would be a much better boost for the team.
I reckon this sums it up, with Swan, Elliott, Williams, Scharenberg and Ramsay out of our best 22 injured, and with the off field problems going on at the club, all I want to see is a four quarter effort.

We stopped trying for a good 20 minutes after half time last week, and did the same against Sydney in round 1, I don't ever want to see that again, or I'll be calling for more than the senior coach to be cleared out.

The Dees showed last week what they are capable off, they can move the ball quickly and score heavily if you allow them, although North have one of the worst defenses in the league, so we should be able to hold them up a bit better.
 
We win 37 points.
 
Disagree that we HAVE to win, I would be content with a loss if there was noticeable improvement from last week to suggest we are on the right track. Hard to turn around such a failed execution of gameplan in one week, and the Dees may have a really good game. All that said, a win would be a much better boost for the team.

Losing to Melbourne just proves how we incredibly far away from the "right track" this club actually is.

We were on the "right track" 5 years ago.
 
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