Norm Smith Medallist
- Aug 21, 2018
- AFL Club
- Other Teams
- Gold Coast Suns, Melbourne Stars
Yeah, enough on the Lions list.Somebody here mentioned that Lions depth is superior to Suns. I disagreed with it. Then you jumped in.
OK, so if I now understand you correctly, you're saying that some of your young players on your depth who played zero or 1-2 AFL games are more talented that some players on Suns depth list who have AFL experience (Miles, Murdoch). If that's correct, yes, I could agree with that. The same I could say the other way. It's interesting that a lot of that talent optimism is based in my opinion on NEAFL performance. I watched Suns vs Lions at the Gabba when Suns had 9 academy kids and I can't remeber Smith, Hinge, Cox, Payne, Starcevich, Mathieson, Lester standing out before Suns kids run out of legs. Even Suns Schoenfeld can get 30+ posessions in NEAFL sometimes. So a lot of Lions fans hope is based on NEAFL games where Lions usually had 20-22 listed players vs 5-9 academy kids Swans, GWS, Suns played, forget other NEAFL teams.
So let's go through your depth by my eyes for fun.
Skinner - I liked him a lot early. After 3 ACL you worry that his next injury is his last.
Mathieson - if Miles is a placeholder (he is) so is Mathieson. I actually expected him to be delisted. OK, he's great in milking frees (no it's actually embarrassing in my eyes).
Lester - yes, by all means he is a great leader so is GHS. Thanks god for NEAFL where both can play.
Payne - looks like a great specimen but can he actually play AFL. Dominating practice. Sure. Let's see.
Birchall - he is not Hodge. Not sure you needed him. I would rather play young players.
Hinge - did not convince me he will make it. I actually expected him to be delisted.
Cox - some great flashes but can he actually deliver consistent effort both ways.
Starcevich - good signs, needs to play.
Smith - is he another Brodie who will need 4 years to develop other parts of his game.
Robertson - can he kick? I take Anderson, Flanders every time. If Anderson is in the best 22 round one (looks like) somebody has to go out (not bad depth).
Christensen - I actually liked him. I was a bit surprised that it took time for him to be extended.
Nothing wrong to have placeholders on your depth. In case of Suns I would say it's Murdoch, Miles. Pretty sure they will be replaced in 2 years and C Ellis and GHS as well. Regarding Burgess and Corbett I am much more optimistic. Both showed me enough in their first year that they will be valuable players for Suns similar to Holman, Lemmens.
If Lions dream injury run continues (looks like) it will be interesting to see what Fagan will do. I believe it was a mistake not to give more opportunities to young players the last year. Some of these young players may look around if they play only NEAFL again.
Enough on Lions from me.
Yep things are different now and the amount of impressive talent building outside the best 22 is insane.Ok friendly discussion.
The difference is, it’s some of our depth with few or no AFL games experience, while it’s a few of your best 22 with few to none AFL experience.
Yep, you’ve got some depth players with a fair few games of experience. I’d rate some of our less experienced “kids” as being more talented than your experienced depth.
We’re at the point where we haven’t had to gift some of our talented draftees games, because they’re better than the more experienced players on our list. Which is exactly where we were at in 2017 when Berry and Witherden walked in to our best 22, along with McCluggage, because our list lacked talent and depth.
We have deliberately delisted a lot of experienced players over the last 3 years because they’re not as talented as the kids we have drafted in.
And you’re right, it was only our good run with injuries that saw many of our less experienced, younger kids not get a chance to play AFL.
My best 22.
Witherden Adams Gardiner
Ah Che Andrews Rich
Robertson Neale McCluggage
Martin Lyons CEY
Cameron Hipwood Zorko
McCarthy McStay Rayner
Bench: Answerth, Bailey, Berry, McInerney.
Depth: Birchall*, Christensen, Mathieson, Lester, Starcevich, Ely Smith, Robertson, Cox, Payne, Hinge, Skinner*.
You’re right, some of our depth has very little experience. But they are talented non the less. And they have mature bodies as TheSunGod mentioned.
I’m a semi regular at Lions training. I attend most Wednesday afternoons, and some of the Friday practice matches not held at Burpengary.
I’ve seen our players a lot this preseason. With the exception of Christensen who is in rehab after minor off season surgery, and draftee Deven Robertson, all the above depth players have rotated through our A team during practice matches.
The only queries I have are, if Birchall will be ready by round 1, and if the club will put faith in Skinner holding up to a full season at AFL level.
Jack Payne has been monstering all our forwards, doesn’t matter which team he’s on. And Skinner has provided what McStay hasn’t up forward. A reliable marking target, and good set shot.
Deven Robertson has been right up there with Ely Smith as next best inside mid after Mathieson for the reserves.
I’m not after a free hit, I curently pay parking for the year on top of my family membership and in all previous years it’s included these practise matches, for some reason this year it doesn’t10 car park attendants for 7 or 8 hours to cover the women and men at Saturday rates +costs
That's about $3 or $4000 in wages
They'll need to park 200 cars to just cover costs
But yeah,I get it we love free stuff
I pay for parking too- which presumably covers match days for the AFLI’m not after a free hit, I curently pay parking for the year on top of my family membership and in all previous years it’s included these practise matches, for some reason this year it doesn’t
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Hey Sandy,I pay for parking too- which presumably covers match days for the AFL
Are you an AFLW member?
Will Brodie looking like we all hope he can beHoping someone can provide detailed updates from this game. I was gonna head down but I'm knackered.
James Brayshaw IQ = 4