AFL statement on alternative strips

[Stealth bomber]

Spot on gPhonque - the new, recent designs that put a premium on black and the darkening of navy blues have contributed to this problem. I also think materials play a part - the current materials used in footy jumpers are shinier and reflect more light than past ones.

During night games, Carlton and Melbourne guernseys might as well be black, they're so dark now.

The black on one of my Essendon guernseys has begun to fade and it now takes on a navy bluish hue in bright sunlight.

And sponsors logos don't help. The red "Mayne" on Carlton's guernsey brings it closer to that of Melbourne. In the blink of an eye, that little blur of red might cause a player to handball to an opposition player.

 

[Mr Eagle]

The AFL has been threatening to demand this 'in the next 12 months' for about 3 years now...

I'll believe when I see it.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Ozzult, its called a constitutiuon, I no that is ahard word to understand, but read about it, then come back with an actaul arguement.

They sure don;t function to well in the west.

So the AFL tells Essendon to change it's jumper for say, an upcoming home game against Richmond. Essendon says no, our constitution does not allow us to do that.
The AFL says 'We don't give a f*ck, you either change it or be penalised.'

Your move.

If you think a document involving only EFC and it's members should have any bearing whatsoever of AFL policy, you'd be sadly mistaken. Otherwise every club would just change it's consititution to say that no player will ever be suspended.

 

[pazza]

Originally posted by Rob
So the AFL tells Essendon to change it's jumper for say, an upcoming home game against Richmond. Essendon says no, our constitution does not allow us to do that.
The AFL says 'We don't give a f*ck, you either change it or be penalised.'

Your move.

If you think a document involving only EFC and it's members should have any bearing whatsoever of AFL policy, you'd be sadly mistaken. Otherwise every club would just change it's consititution to say that no player will ever be suspended.

In a civilised world, there would be an extraordinary general meeting called(chances are, if this were to happen, there would be plenty of notice). The vote would be put and a majority required, once all issues were brought out into the open.

Knowing the membership well enough, the result would be fairly obvious..chances are legal advice would be sought...I haven't seen the aFL's licensing arrangement's to know the full story.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by gPhonque
Rather than forcing clubs like Essendon to change their guernsey so that it doesn't clash with all these new fancy darker guernseys, how about the teams that have created this problem change their guernseys back to what they should be, and then we'll work from there?

Exactly, make all the teams go back to their old strips, problem solved.

 

[MSB ROYS]

I watched the St Kilda and Collingwood game last weekend (from a nice bar in Phuket by the way!) and the difference in the jumpers was great to see. The yellow really stood out and made the game much easier to watch and probably play and umpire.

Isn't this what it's all about?

I also agree that the jumpers are getting darker and cluttered.

 

[ozzult]

I agree that the newer jumpers are bordering on pathetic.

West Coast is a perfect exponent of this. But luckily our guys have seen the light and we've gone back to our much simpler, and much more popular jumper (at least for our away games).

 

[kaysee]

If Essendon don't want to fall into line with the AFLs demands then the AFL should simply give them the option:

Comply or your AFL license will be rebuked, your club license, name and colours will continued to be owned by the AFL. Your new club Essesookiegirls can wear the pink and black sash, and are free to enter the VFL.

Essendon don't have a leg to stand on and wouldn't have the balls to challenge the AFL over such an issue...

All I can say is welcome to the Big League little Victorian fishies, if you want to play with the big fishes you have to play by their rules.

PS - Not a general Victorian bashing as many support jumper changes etc, but rather a go at those Victorians who refuse to move with the times.

SKC

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Ozzult, its called a constitutiuon, I no that is ahard word to understand, but read about it, then come back with an actaul arguement.

They sure don;t function to well in the west.

We should get in the real world and adopt an alternate strip.

AC Milan, one of the most famous "red and black" clubs in the world, won the most prestigious club tournament of all this morning in their alternative white strip. No one made a big deal and no one cared. Why? Because the strip doesn't matter. It is the club that counts.

For what it's worth, a club with the vision and progress of Essendon should have done this 20 years ago. We are living in the 1890's.

I wrote to Graham McMahon about this, and the arrgogance I got in reply was astounding. This was from a grown 50+ year old president who didn't even want to entertain the idea of changing. Not even to debate the pros and cons. As a club, we are falling behind in that regard. The sooner the AFL tell idots like McMahon that alternative stips must be adopted, the better it will be for everyone.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by pazza
In a civilised world, there would be an extraordinary general meeting called(chances are, if this were to happen, there would be plenty of notice). The vote would be put and a majority required, once all issues were brought out into the open.

Knowing the membership well enough, the result would be fairly obvious..chances are legal advice would be sought...I haven't seen the aFL's licensing arrangement's to know the full story.

Put it this way: If Essendon think they are above AFL rules, then good luck to them. An agreement between the EFC and it's members holds about as much water with the AFL as a leaky thimble.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Dan26
We should get in the real world and adopt an alternate strip.

AC Milan, one of the most famous "red and black" clubs in the world, won the most prestigious club tournament of all this morning in their alternative white strip. No one made a big deal and no one cared. Why? Because the strip doesn't matter. It is the club that counts.

For what it's worth, a club with the vision and progress of Essendon should have done this 20 years ago. We are living in the 1890's.

I wrote to Graham McMahon about this, and the arrgogance I got in reply was astounding. This was from a grown 50+ year old president who didn't even want to entertain the idea of changing. Not even to debate the pros and cons. As a club, we are falling behind in that regard. The sooner the AFL tell idots like McMahon that alternative stips must be adopted, the better it will be for everyone.

Who gives a flying f*** about other codes in other countries & what they do, we are Aussie Rules, I am glad that McMahon put you in your place, the arrogance of you, thinking you know better than the club, ppppffffttttt.

 

[sbagman]

Originally posted by mantis
Who gives a flying f*** about other codes in other countries & what they do, we are Aussie Rules, I am glad that McMahon put you in your place, the arrogance of you, thinking you know better than the club, ppppffffttttt.

You've lost the plot, mate.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by sbagman
You've lost the plot, mate.

No I haven't, I'm not a fashion junkie, well the rest of the worlds doing it, so we have to as well.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Dan26
Because the strip doesn't matter. It is the club that counts.

Spot on.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by mantis
No I haven't, I'm not a fashion junkie, well the rest of the worlds doing it, so we have to as well.

Probably wasn't the best attitude for you to take when the rest of the species was developing intelligence.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Port01
Probably wasn't the best attitude for you to take when the rest of the species was developing intelligence.

HA HA HA this coming from a port supporter.

 

[sbagman]

Originally posted by mantis
No I haven't, I'm not a fashion junkie, well the rest of the worlds doing it, so we have to as well.

How about my interpretation of your original post

"Other codes do things, they aren't Australian Rules, therefore we shouldn't do them. In fact, I propose we should play with a square ball, make all players walk on their hands, divide the game into sevenths instead of quarters, just to make our game really really unique. Of course, if someone else is doing it then it must be a really really bad idea and thus we should do the opposite."

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by sbagman
How about my interpretation of your original post

"Other codes do things, they aren't Australian Rules, therefore we shouldn't do them. In fact, I propose we should play with a square ball, make all players walk on their hands, divide the game into sevenths instead of quarters, just to make our game really really unique. Of course, if someone else is doing it then it must be a really really bad idea and thus we should do the opposite."

Gawd you people are knobs, we just keep doing what we have been for over a 100 years & heck what people are doing in other countries.

 

[sbagman]

Originally posted by mantis
Gawd you people are knobs, we just keep doing what we have been for over a 100 years & heck what people are doing in other countries.

I'm sorry, my stupdity tolerance level has been exceeded. I can no longer read your posts.

 

[ozzult]

Originally posted by sbagman
I'm sorry, my stupdity tolerance level has been exceeded. I can no longer read your posts.

If only it were that easy.

 

[ozzult]

Originally posted by mantis
Gawd you people are knobs, we just keep doing what we have been for over a 100 years & heck what people are doing in other countries.

Good thinking. I wish we never brought the TV, Microwave, Internet, Computers, Alarm Clocks, Fuel Injected cars and other devices that were invented in those "other countries". I wish we were still "farking it up the other countries" and doing what we were doing 100 years ago.

BRING BACK THE HORSE AND CART I SAY YOUNG LASS!

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by mantis
the arrogance of you, thinking you know better than the club, ppppffffttttt.

As opposed to the arrogance of Mantis, thinking Essendon knows better than just about every other sporting club in the world simply because they're Australian and most of the others aren't.

 

[Dan26]

Don't lump Mants and other Bomber fans together. She is backward, stupid, and resistant to common-sense. Most of us wouldn't care about an altetnate strip once it was released. It would be like the current St.Kida situation, where some fans might have had reservations, but after they see their club play in it, they realise it wasn't a big deal, and there are only positives.

The ability to win a game is no different in an alternate strip. You "history" hasn't changed, the players don't play any differently, and the supporters remain just as passionate. The ONLY difference is that teams are easier to tell apart. That's it - that's the only difference. Oh, and the club might also make some more cash. Heaven forbid.

Essendon are 30 years behind in this regard, and it's about time we came to the party. It's 2003.

 

[Dan26]

When Essendon's new jumper is designed it doesn't HAVE to be red and black. Even though red and black are our colours it doesn't man they have to be worn for all games. Liverpool's colour is officially red, but it hasn't stopped them from wearing a green jumper when there is a clash.

I suggest adding silver, or even replacing the black with silver for clash games. Not only would it avoid a clash, but it would look striking. In the NFL, the Oakland Raiders (who are the 5th or 6th most supported team) are first in merchandise sales, and the main reason is because their colours of black and silver are very marketable and appeal to young fans.

Adding silver to our jumper for clash games would be a masterstroke, and guess what? Our ability to win games wouldn't be affected. Our passion to support our team wouldn't be affected? And our history wouldn't be affected. Yep, I kid you not. Despite thoughts to the contrary, we change our jumper and the 16 premierships are still there. Shock horror! *sarcasm.*

Let's be the innovative club we know we are, instead of the backward 1950's club we look like becoming.

 

[Rebecca]

Originally posted by mantis
Gawd you people are knobs, we just keep doing what we have been for over a 100 years & heck what people are doing in other countries.

Thankyou princess Grace.