AFL Team Manager Rules - OLD

[Russian]

Re: 2008/09 Bidding/Trading/Father-Son

I propose a new rule for next year.

Teams offer players new contracts before beginning of trade week. This bid is the opening bid for these players. The time limit does not begin untill an opposition team bids on the player. Once this happens normal bidding time limit and rules apply. In the event that a player does not recieve a bid from an opposition team before the end of the bidding period, the opening bid by the original owner re-signs the player.

This way it's more like real life as the players original club offers their deal first.

Where was that idea on Tuesday?

Not in that exact form but would've been a better solution than the extra bid limit.

 

[peterss]

Re: 2008/09 Bidding/Trading/Father-Son

Where was that idea on Tuesday?

Not in that exact form but would've been a better solution than the extra bid limit.

I mentioned something similiar in the rules thread earlier in the week

 

[Russian]

Re: 2008/09 Bidding/Trading/Father-Son

I mentioned something similiar in the rules thread earlier in the week

You just failed to mention the good part of the idea - that the first own bid doesn't go on the clock. That allows the rest of the idea to work without completely defeating the purpose of bidding

 

[Russian]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Discuss

Tell me why I shouldn't scrap 'the new rule' and bring in the first bid not on the clock rule in its place.

I'm expecting some violent objections to this idea but I've been wrong before. I'm wondering if scrapping everything we've done in the last 3 days, treating that as a trial and starting again with cam's idea is the way to go.

 

[BW]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

What first bid on the what rule?

 

[peterss]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Discuss

Tell me why I shouldn't scrap 'the new rule' and bring in the first bid not on the clock rule in its place.

If you scrap the new rule would it mean we can make the first bid on as many of our uncontracted players as we like in an attempt to re-sign them and it means that first bid wont be on the clock until someone increases the initital bid?

Would the "2 active bids" rule on uncontracted players from a different side still be around?

 

[Russian]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

What first bid on the what rule?

on the clock - the 72 hour time limit.

See post 75 and this:

If you scrap the new rule would it mean we can make the first bid on as many of our uncontracted players as we like in an attempt to re-sign them and it means that first bid wont be on the clock until someone increases the initital bid?

Next year (and this year if the second part of my post above has support) there would be a window to do this before bidding opens so in effect clubs have first and last bid on everyone on their list.

Would the "2 active bids" rule on uncontracted players from a different side still be around?

Yes.

 

[sante]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Discuss

Tell me why I shouldn't scrap 'the new rule' and bring in the first bid not on the clock rule in its place.

I'm expecting some violent objections to this idea but I've been wrong before. I'm wondering if scrapping everything we've done in the last 3 days, treating that as a trial and starting again with cam's idea is the way to go.

Reset all bids? Trades stay as confirmed? I'm fine with that.

So each team can choose the contracts/salary of all (or how many they want to keep) their UC players and its up to the opposition coaches to outbid that. How long until our original bid is successful if there are no counter offers?

 

[peterss]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

And would the first bid to re-sign your players have to atleast match the salary of their previous contract?

 

[sante]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

And would the first bid to re-sign your players have to atleast match the salary of their previous contract?

I would say it has to be at least the number to the left of them on the 1st page of the bidding thread.

 

[Russian]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Reset all bids? Trades stay as confirmed? I'm fine with that.

I'm happy with that

So each team can choose the contracts/salary of all (or how many they want to keep) their UC players and its up to the opposition coaches to outbid that. How long until our original bid is successful if there are no counter offers?

The end of bidding.

And would the first bid to re-sign your players have to atleast match the salary of their previous contract?

No. Same rules as now - anything from 107. Bidding controls ridiculously low bids.

 

[BW]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

I would be fine with restarting.....IF the 2 active bids rule (which I think isn't working too well) is relaxed and replaced with my more flexible, less time consuming & will still prevent a bidding frenzy 2 starter bid rule (you can only start a bid on a player 2 times at a time, and then be able to bid for absolutely anyone else who is bidded for. This limits the amount of players up at any one time at 32, 16 x 2. If you make a starter bid and get countered, that still counts as a starter bid until the bidding ends on that player.)

If not I'm 'violently' against restarting.

 

[peterss]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

I like BW's suggestions of being able to have 2 "Starter" bids for opposition uncontracted players but you can then join in the bidding race for other players aslong as you did not start the initial bidding for that player.

Also i think if we bid to re-sign one of our current contracted players and a counter bid hasnt been placed within say 2-3 days then we should get that player then rather then having to wait until the final day of trade/bidding week to "officially" get him.

 

[iampig]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Bidding..will go with the flow

Trades..should stay as confirmed

 

[sante]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

I would be fine with restarting.....IF the 2 active bids rule (which I think isn't working too well) is relaxed and replaced with my more flexible, less time consuming & will still prevent a bidding frenzy 2 starter bid rule (you can only start a bid on a player 2 times at a time, and then be able to bid for absolutely anyone else who is bidded for. This limits the amount of players up at any one time at 32, 16 x 2. If you make a starter bid and get countered, that still counts as a starter bid until the bidding ends on that player.)

If not I'm 'violently' against restarting.

That isn't bad. So effectively, each team bids on 2 players to create a 32 player pool, where all teams can go crazy.

It will get confusing though. Just say I bid on Dean Cox...and 24 hours later, Collingwood end up with him. Does that mean I can start a new bid? This is the part where I think it will get a little lost.

 

[peterss]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Im all for restarting in terms of bidding..

But what would happen to those players already traded that have been bidded on and therefore having to sign for the bid price rather then the uncontracted price?

 

[=KaNga=]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

BW's suggestion is the way to go, it's been used before in other games and it's worked. Cuts down on the amount of new bids.

What's the difference of the proposed new rule by loopy, peterss and yourself Russian, to what we're doing now?

We're all bidding on eachothers players now anyway aren't we?

 

[Russian]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Also i think if we bid to re-sign one of our current contracted players and a counter bid hasnt been placed within say 2-3 days then we should get that player then rather then having to wait until the final day of trade/bidding week to "officially" get him.

2-3 days? That's back where we started. 4-5 weeks maybe.

That isn't bad. So effectively, each team bids on 2 players to create a 32 player pool, where all teams can go crazy.

It will get confusing though. Just say I bid on Dean Cox...and 24 hours later, Collingwood end up with him. Does that mean I can start a new bid? This is the part where I think it will get a little lost.

I think it's pretty simple. Once a bid ends (whether that's by trading or a successful bid), whoever started it is free to start another one.


Just to clarify, an own player starting bid (which therefore isn't on the clock) would not count as one of your 2. The first counter offer would be considered the starting bid. So all 'starting bids' would be made by an opponent.

 

[BW]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

I don't think you can wait until the end to have a player confirmed as yours - stuffs up salary cap estimates of what you can and can't afford which effects the whole process.

 

[Virgil]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

I don't think you can wait until the end to have a player confirmed as yours - stuffs up salary cap estimates of what you can and can't afford which effects the whole process.

Agree with this. The 3 day rule needs to stay in effect, and I like that we can only make two opposition bids at a time (requires strategy, I'm finding). However, loopy brought up a good point yesterday about some of the exorbitant bidding that has happened on players such as Goddard, Corey and Power. So:

Firstly, I think everyone agrees so far that all trades that have been made thus far stay in place. I am yet to see an objection to this.

I would suggest that if we are going to overhaul the bids (I don't mind if we don't, I'm easy either way), each team can put together a list of ten 'required players'. These required players are bid on first by the team that owns them, ensuring that they have first say on contract length, prices, etc. Once the first bid on one of these players is made, the 72 hour rule takes effect. All other players who aren't part of this required ten are bid on as we were before. This means that players need to decide which of their players are more important and will need to bid accordingly, but opposition players will still be able to get players cheap if the opposition aren't paying attention.

Thoughts?

Edit: By first bid I mean first opposition bid, in regards to the 72 hour rule.

 

[sante]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Virgil makes a good point and I'd be happy if thats the way we went.

Maybe 10 is too high.

 

[Virgil]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

Maybe 10 is too high.

Yeah, not sure, I wasn't sure what kind of number was suitable, I have over 20 uncontracted players (I think) but some people may have a lot less.

 

[wheels4]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

so what are we doing.

are we restarting all the bids, if so thats pretty stiff for me because i have 4 uncontracted players about to be resigned at 4:30

they are pretty good players aswell;

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gia
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kosi

 

[Virgil]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

so what are we doing.

are we restarting all the bids, if so thats pretty stiff for me because i have 4 uncontracted players about to be resigned at 4:30

they are pretty good players aswell;

cross
gia
aker
kosi

Owned . We all had bids that would be ending soonish, but yeah, that'd be pretty unlucky. I dunno, it's up to Russian.

 

[BW]

Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated October 07)

While we are exploring new ideas, I wouldn't mind seeing the criteria for matching or beating a bid changed. The PSD part is fine, as is the money, obviously. But length of a contract I reckon could change.

If someone bids $130,000 for a 5 year deal, not even a $1,000,000 offer on a 4 year deal would beat it. This doesn't reflect reality.

I propose:

* A 5 year offer can be bettered by a 4 year offer, if the cash offer is minimum 10% higher and the PSD pick is at least matched.
* A 5 year offer can be bettered by a 3 year offer, if the cash offer is minimum 20% higher and the PSD pick is at least matched.

Same rule applies for a 4 year offer which is countered by a 3 or 2 year offer.

Same rule applies for a 3 year offer which is countered by a 2 year offer.

Same rule applies for a 2 year offer which is countered by a 1 year offer.

Thats just a rough outline but you get the point.