List Mgmt. AFL to consider bringing back recruiting areas for South Australia’s two clubs

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yep compromise the draft even more.

If you are going to do this then just scrap the draft and allow the free market for services to take hold.

s**t we get country zones for indigenous and multicultural players but not metro zones for indigenous players where as Melbourne clubs get metro zones for both. How about just making the basic rules consistent first. From the March proposal by the WA and SA clubs

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-26/wa-sa-clubs-make-play-for-indigenous-talent
WEST Australian and South Australian clubs have put forward a proposal to the AFL for them to gain priority access to the leading indigenous talents from metropolitan zones in their Next Generation Academies. The NGA program for West Coast, Fremantle, Port Adelaide and Adelaide has allocated each of the four clubs rural and remote regions where they can develop indigenous prospects and then have first call on those players at draft time under the father-son and Academy bidding system.
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The NGA has been developed by the AFL to increase the talent pool of indigenous and multicultural players, with each club (outside of NSW/ACT and Queensland clubs who already have their own Academies) given an area to run Academy programs and develop players.

Players of multicultural backgrounds who live in metropolitan areas and meet the relevant criteria are already eligible to the SA and WA clubs, but not indigenous players. This is in contrast to the Victorian clubs, who have access to multicultural and indigenous players within their zones even if they live in metropolitan areas, a difference that the proposal makes clear to the AFL.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-26/wa-sa-clubs-make-play-for-indigenous-talent

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Interesting. I don't fully understand the implications of this but with both SA clubs flying right now it's hard to see the VFL bringing in something that would be good for us.

Let's face it anyway, Lukosius and Rankine will probably just go play for some other team for two years before coming home to the Crows and Pear respectively.

 

[Interstater]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...s/news-story/1bbedeed0826b22d1af9317b1cfdc9e5
“I like the idea of consistency,” AFL head of football operations Steve Hocking admitted to me this week.

Ask Higgins and Lindsay Thomas about that.

 

[Janus]

People are looking at this as if zones mean players can’t move into certain zones for opportunities.

If you’re a Victorian country kid and there are only 720 spots available around the country, there’s nothing stopping you boarding at club in another state and joining their program and therefore their zone.

 

[FallingLiefs]

People are looking at this as if zones mean players can’t move into certain zones for opportunities.

If you’re a Victorian country kid and there are only 720 spots available around the country, there’s nothing stopping you boarding at club in another state and joining their program and therefore their zone.

Well yes there’s nothing currently in the rules that are yet to be written. Makes sense.

 

[Janus]

Well yes there’s nothing currently in the rules that are yet to be written. Makes sense.

It’s going to be like any zone. It will be dependant on how much time you actually spend there. It’s not state of origin.

 

[Fizzler]

So, does this mean we have to pick an SA player with our picks?
If that’s so we can * this idea right off.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

So, does this mean we have to pick an SA player with our picks?
If that’s so we can **** this idea right off.

No.

Like the academies we would have first pick in the bidding system.

The other 17 teams would do the same.

So father/sons would have bidding along with the academy/zone.

 

[FPPF]

Why complicate something that is working reasonably well as it is

Because this is the AFL..

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'm all for it. The reason SA doesn't produce more elite footballers is primarily because the SANFL clubs in charge of elite development at the junior level are a bunch of useless campaigners.

Put it in the hands of Port and the Crows and watch the elite talent we've been missing come out of nowhere.

 

[El Zorro]

2017 Draft 3 of the top 20 were SANFL players
2016 Draft 0 of the top 20 were SANFL players
2015 Draft 3 of the top 20 were SANFL players

In the same 3 drafts 39 were from the TAC


It makes a very thin spread of players to choose from for both SA clubs. Especially if you are drafting for needs or years like 2016 when there were only 3 SANFL players drafted inside the top 50.

The competition is very even, most of that can be attributed to the draft system and salary cap, the AFL should just leave it as is.

A different system might improve this situation. Do we think we don't have the talent pool in SA or the current set up doesn't get the best out of what we have?

 

[Macca19]

Just not sure what the point would be. So this would essentially mean that every kid would be linked to a club? How tedious would draft night be?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Just not sure what the point would be. So this would essentially mean that every kid would be linked to a club? How tedious would draft night be?

The Qld clubs, and to a certain extent NSW clubs, will be stuffed.

Might as well move the Gold Coast to Tassie or Perth at the end of this year.

 

[Portology]

It’s going to be like any zone. It will be dependant on how much time you actually spend there. It’s not state of origin.

Yes poaching is one of the big issues.

Certain clubs have the time, number of eyes and $ to speculatively pay sets of parents via job$ to move zones early on. Any edge is an edge.


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[raptalia]

I suspect that Eddie McGuire would not be so keen if he didn't see an advantage in it for Collingwood.

 

[Forzaport]

First impression is I don't like it. Vast majority of the talent comes from Victoria and if all the better Victorian kids are taken via bidding, we'll be screwed. Not just Victorian kids out but also WA kids, NSW kids, etc. No more Boak, Wines, Marshall, SPP, Pittard, Hayes and similar highly regarded interstate talent.

Would be a disaster for non-Victorian clubs.

 

[xflamedancer]

This would piss the $NAFL off enormously, gets my vote just for that.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Port will get KI , the crows will get the rest.

 

[Visenfest]

Keep priority access to players limited to father/son, and Indigenous and multicultural academies/zones. There's no need for what has been proposed.

 

[DaTBird187]

So the idea is that all the elite players in the each zone play for a Port Adelaide under-17/19 side after we've developed them in our academy system. It's basically taking development out of the hands of state leagues and put in the hands of AFL clubs.

 

[Portology]

Taking junior development out of the hands of the so called state league in SA would be a great thing.

Delegating it purely to the two AFL clubs is not the sole option.

We struggle to see where the improvement in participation rates and outcomes will come from. Because South Australia, a bit, and we’ve been boxed around the ears from all sides somewhat.

But when I think of clowns like those who run North Adelaide getting into soccer, something directly opposed to the future of footy, we’ll **** putting up with those folks in effect sharing AFL monies to do with junior development. **** that, end them.

Bring it, but, and here’s the big but, don’t just set it in stone, be prepared to adjust, per all the other caveats noted. Who trusts the AFL with process?

:/


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[El_Scorcho]

Just not sure what the point would be. So this would essentially mean that every kid would be linked to a club? How tedious would draft night be?

The draft could certainly be changed. While the draft is theoretically the best way to keep everything equal, the NRL seems to be far more capable of getting teams from the bottom back to the top than the AFL has been in the draft era.

Or you could give each club their best 2 players and draft after that.

The Qld clubs, and to a certain extent NSW clubs, will be stuffed.

Might as well move the Gold Coast to Tassie or Perth at the end of this year.

While there is an issue here, the biggest problem with Brisbane, GWS and Gold Coast is that kids from football states don't want to play for start up clubs in front of 1500 people. At least the academy scenario will significantly diminish the go home factor.

First impression is I don't like it. Vast majority of the talent comes from Victoria and if all the better Victorian kids are taken via bidding, we'll be screwed. Not just Victorian kids out but also WA kids, NSW kids, etc. No more Boak, Wines, Marshall, SPP, Pittard, Hayes and similar highly regarded interstate talent.

Would be a disaster for non-Victorian clubs.

Victoria produces the best talent because it has the TAC cup, and ultimately the other states junior systems are haphazard and lacking professionalism in comparison. If you suddenly hand elite development responsibility to some of the most professional sports teams in the country, the standard will lift dramatically.

It would be a benefit to the Vic clubs initially, but eventually it should even out.

It could even be brought in in stages. For the first 5 years, clubs get first choice of 1 player, then 2 for the next 5 years, then 3 etc.

 

[Chachi]

Zones are a massive step backwards and can only disadvantage South Australian clubs.

This year is an incredibly strong draft year for SA but that isn’t the norm.

You're right with regard to talent, I guess flip side is the growing of supporter bases. When a kid gets drafted from a club or town to us it makes a difference to the the support we receive. Plus there's the community engagement which is something the club embraces.
It'd be pretty awesome to regain all our old zones plus new ones.
I'd say it would be run similar to the academy bidding now, so it wouldn't necessarily preclude us from picking up talent from other clubs' zones.

 

[Chachi]

First impression is I don't like it. Vast majority of the talent comes from Victoria and if all the better Victorian kids are taken via bidding, we'll be screwed. Not just Victorian kids out but also WA kids, NSW kids, etc. No more Boak, Wines, Marshall, SPP, Pittard, Hayes and similar highly regarded interstate talent.

Would be a disaster for non-Victorian clubs.

but the talent is divided by 10 in Victoria and only 2 in SA.

 

[raman]

Forget zones, create AFL U16 and U18 comps, have a draft as it is but make the minimum draft age 15.