Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

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Found it, seems the half it.

Also if it's the first offence, it can be at the AFL's discretion.
It is something they would have to discuss if players end up getting 6 months or 2 years. You would think any player getting 44 weeks would not survive being de-registered. 22 weeks you could argue - 44 you don't have much wriggle room.
 

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Can you see Demetriou killing off a golden goose? Me neither
I cant see that either, but under ASADA/WADA, any athlete in breach of the code cannot receive contract monies, so its gonna be one hell of a bill to pay, along with the inevitable lawsuits that will fly.

May have no option but to deregister.
 

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It is something they would have to discuss if players end up getting 6 months or 2 years. You would think any player getting 44 weeks would not survive being de-registered. 22 weeks you could argue - 44 you don't have much wriggle room.
They only take half of the suspension into account.

44 becomes 22, etc.
 

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You'd be the only one.

On one hand you are saying "let's wait and see". Which I agree with.

But on the other hand you are ADAMANT that you are innocent and people will be disappointed.

See how this works?
Ahh so its ok for everyone else (including you) to say, "Wait and see but Essendon are ******." But I'm not allowed to say, "Wait and see but you guys are going to be upset?"

Love the logic.
 

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The cronulla shit happened in 2011, they have been investigating for some time, do you think that this all happened in the last four weeks?

The press conference may have been a catalyst, but if they have been doing their jbs , they would have got them anyway, the bombers issues are less than 12 months old.

But i have no doubt in my mid that they were tipped off and held a prss conference, which forced the ACC/ASADA to hold theirs.

The bombers need friends in high places, but when it comes to drug cheating in sport not too many stand up for you.
I mean when it became public - when he did the 7:30 report only rumour and guesswork was in the air. Now we have a club on the verge of a significant number of players putting their hand up. Its fair to say IMO given his links to their situation, Danks will be under more pressure today than 72 hours ago.
 

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Ahh so its ok for everyone else (including you) to say, "Wait and see but Essendon are screwed." But I'm not allowed to say, "Wait and see but you guys are going to be upset?"

Love the logic.

Where have I said that Essendon are screwed?

I have said that the balance of probabilities seems to be against you.

But hey, knock yourself out with the self-delusion.
 

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Heres hoping my above assumptions and observations are incorrect but I highly doubt it and would prefer to face reality then get hit by a tone of bricks when the investigation ends.
You sure you don't follow Richmond? You just described every one of the last 30 seasons for me.
 

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Danks declared his innocence in an interview weeks ago. Its naive to think IF the Sharks go down, he won't be going with them, and he won't be trying to minimize the damage to himself. Human nature means his first reaction is to fight, but when the chances of winning any fight are done, it will be deal time.
I'm still not sure what advantage there would be if Danks 'confessed all' (assuming of course there is something to confess).

From an ASADA perspective any penalty would surely end his sports science career at a club level.
Indeed it could be argued even if he were now to be completely cleared clubs would be extremely reluctant to have anything to do with him.
Therefore mitigating any potential punishment (from say a 2 year to a six month ban) would be relatively pointless.

From a criminal law perspective I would have thought any confessions would be some way off.
Hypothetically for example if an individual administered certain substances (without a valid prescription) then he may be in trouble or if an individual administered certain substances and told the recipient he was receiving a different substance, then again there may be legal consequences.

But at this stage even if the Sharks went down I'm not sure it would be advantageous for Danks to step forward and tell all (again assuming there is anything untoward to tell).
 

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The interesting part is it says deregistered AFTER the suspension period. This means they remain on Essendon's list and so cannot be replaced by another player. Enough players and they cannot field a team. Gets back to the AFL having to deregister them before the draft for "bringing the game into disrepute" so as to give Essendon list space.
 

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I'm still not sure what advantage there would be if Danks 'confessed all' (assuming of course there is something to confess).

From an ASADA perspective any penalty would surely end his sports science career at a club level.
Indeed it could be argued even if he were now to be completely cleared clubs would be extremely reluctant to have anything to do with him.
Therefore mitigating any potential punishment (from say a 2 year to a six month ban) would be relatively pointless.

From a criminal law perspective I would have thought any confessions would be some way off.
Hypothetically for example if an individual administered certain substances (without a prescription) then he may be in trouble or if an individual administered certain substances and told the recipient he was receiving a different substance, then again there may be legal consequences.

But at this stage even if the Sharks went down I'm not sure it would be advantageous for Danks to step forward and tell all (again assuming there is anything untoward to tell).
Someone will always rehire guys like this - look how many of the former east german coaches found gigs in the USA, China, and so on.
 

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Can you see Demetriou killing off a golden goose? Me neither

What if he's got a bigger golden goose to protect?

Gillon McLaughlins first words at that presser when he named Essendon were "The AFL's integrity will always come first".

All this is unprecedented stuff.

One thing is for sure, Essendon will field a side. Who's in it and what happens to the blokes who aren't, we don't know yet.
 

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Let what happen exactly? For all we know the players were given vitamins. In that case I'm not sure why I'd be upset over that.

You never answered before KA :) What punishment will Essendon get?
Hire dank, Robinson and his 3 year contract, inject players with who knows what, allow coaches to take banned sports drugs, off site injections, $10,000 spent of god knows what, not having a real doctor involved in the process. If Essendon supporters are happy with how the club was run in 2012 I would be amazed.

4 million dollar fine
8-10 players 6 months suspension
4-6 players 2 year suspension
Jobe to lose his Brownlow
Thompson, Robson, Robinson will not be at the club at Jan 1 2014 - if the investigation is complete.
 

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The AFL will not delist players, that talk is stupid.

If rules were broken, it was against the players knowledge and understanding, even after some asked for assurances everything was kosher.

The AFLPA is livid, and will not want the players to be wearing the bulk of the price for anything that happens.

Automatic suspensions (if it comes to that) are unavoidable. AFL sanctions however are avoidable, and the AFLPA will unite and go to war IMO to protect the players from delisting (if someone was dumb enough to push for it).
 

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The AFL will not delist players, that talk is stupid.

If rules were broken, it was against the players knowledge and understanding, even after some asked for assurances everything was kosher.

The AFLPA is livid, and will not want the players to be wearing the bulk of the price for anything that happens.

Automatic suspensions (if it comes to that) are unavoidable. AFL sanctions however are avoidable, and the AFLPA will unite and go to war IMO to protect the players from delisting (if someone was dumb enough to push for it).
How else does Essendon get list space to field a team ?
 
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