Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

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As i've already explained to you i don't have a degree, i did this stuff.It's the degree of life and it beats anything you read in a book or on the web. Your memory is quite bad, you may be deficient in vitamins.....

So you now remember your stance on players not needing anything other than a well balanced diet?

If you want to learn something off the web, you can look it up yourself, don't expect me to do your work for you...

so youre the nurse who administered the vitamins, and you criticise others..........hahaha
 

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As i've already explained to you i don't have a degree, i did this stuff. Your memory is quite bad, you may be deficient in vitamins.....

So you now remember your stance on players not needing anything other than a well balanced diet?

If you want to learn something off the web, you can look it up yourself, don't expect me to do your work for you...
You said:

My degree came from doing this stuff
So do you have a degree? o_O

And doing what stuff? Intravenous vitamins or Peptides?
 

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It has already been stated, and was again today on SEN, from former ASADA chief that it is in fact possible to not be rubbed out and even warnings can be given if it can be proved that players were not aware of what they were being given.

However it needs to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt and needs to be so unequivocal that it is quite difficult to do so.

The consent form, if it is what we are led to believe it is, is going to hold a hell of a lot of weight and will be the center piece of any claim the players have.


It could also be argued that the players requesting assurance that the supplements that were being administer were legal in itself indicates that there is some doubt in the players minds regarding the legitimacy of the supplements being used. Can they say "we had no idea what we were using was banned" when they have themselves requested a consent for to be written up regarding what they were taking ???

I am in no way saying they conspired to take banned substances, if in fact that is what has occured, but can they use the "we had no idea what was going on" excuse when they feared what they were doing was wrong and requested a consent for be written up. Sure IF they have taken something wrong then they have been SERIOUSLY screwed over by Danks/the EFC, but the WADA/ASADA rules state it is up to the player to ensure that they take nothing that is banned.

I can see the players getting a reduced, 6 month sentence, if it is shown that something banned was administered but I think their ability to wash their hands fully of any responsibility would be a lot harder than what some people say/think it will be.
 

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All seems a bit too easy. You have serious concerns with practices of the club. They say it is ok and then you are absolved of all responsibility. From the sections of the ASADA codes posted earlier it seemed to indicate full responsibility on the player to make sure they are clean.

I kind of get the impression the former ASADA chief is loving being mr rent a quote.

Did you know this guy Richard Ings is the guy who disqualified John McEnroe from the umpires chair all those years ago.

He seems like he loves the spotlight and often offers contradictory opinions from day to day.

Limelight lover.

I'm glad he is the FORMER head of ASADA. Maybe that's why they weren't crash hot in the past.
 
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It could also be argued that the players requesting assurance that the supplements that were being administer were legal in itself indicates that there is some doubt in the players minds regarding the legitimacy of the supplements being used. Can they say "we had no idea what we were using was banned" when they have themselves requested a consent for to be written up regarding what they were taking ???

I am in no way saying they conspired to take banned substances, if in fact that is what has occured, but can they use the "we had no idea what was going on" excuse when they feared what they were doing was wrong and requested a consent for be written up. Sure IF they have taken something wrong then they have been SERIOUSLY screwed over by Danks/the EFC, but the WADA/ASADA rules state it is up to the player to ensure that they take nothing that is banned.

I can see the players getting a reduced, 6 month sentence, if it is shown that something banned was administered but I think their ability to wash their hands fully of any responsibility would be a lot harder than what some people say/think it will be.
Yes i agree with all that and i'm not claiming they will get off but just replying to some of the posts that claim it can't happen.

I went on to even state how hard it is to prove and is very unlikely also.

In the earlier threads we were being told that the coaches would be banned because they aren't allowed to have non WADA approved substances. It has since been revealed in fact they can.

No one on here knows for certain anything and as i said earlier with the law and all this sort of stuff there is no black and white, only grey.
 

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exactly , there is a paper trail that has to be explained away. do you think that the dodgy indian chemsit wont roll over?
Bombers will come up with some crap that some 3rd string coach or massage therapist was buying stuff from dank for his 'mates' and dank would order it for him to the club.
some such nonsense.
 

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In the earlier threads we were being told that the coaches would be banned because they aren't allowed to have non WADA approved substances. It has since been revealed in fact they can.

No it hasn't.

It has been presumed and assumed by many. However, there has been no unequivicable statement by any authority of substance. Stop talking shit!

You know nothing more than anyone.
 

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But there are exceptional circumstances that can be out of the players hands.

When it comes to law and all this sort of stuff there is no black and white, only grey.

I agree, he does seem to be loving being the go to guy for any info anyone needs.
Assuming a worst case scenario you would think that if the players don't get suspended the penalty will be greater for the club. Somebody will have to pay.

Given one of the few thing that I dislike more than the Bombers is Rugby League I am now kind of hoping that the scandal is confined to North of the border.
 

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Bombers will come up with some crap that some 3rd string coach or massage therapist was buying stuff from dank for his 'mates' and dank would order it for him to the club.
some such nonsense.
Joe the cameraman could well make his comeback as a professional fall guy.
 

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No it hasn't.

It has been presumed and assumed by many. However, there has been no unequivocal statement by any authority of substance. Stop talking shit!

You know nothing more than anyone.
Well you have been talking shit since you have been here. All 788 of them in a month.

Not sure if this counts as unequivocal or anyone of authority but i think it holds more weight than some clown on BF, even one that has survived cancer twice.
Federal sports minister Kate Lundy was adamant on Channel Seven on Thursday night that Essendon coaches could be sanctioned under the WADA code, but her office clarified the technicalities on Friday.

The WADA code states the use of a prohibited substance is not banned for athlete support personnel, including coaches. However the code states that the possession of a banned substance by an athlete support person may be a breach of the WADA code if that support person is found to have supplied it to one of their athletes.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...r-wada-code-20130215-2ej81.html#ixzz2MrAlpJPH
 

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Bombers will come up with some crap that some 3rd string coach or massage therapist was buying stuff from dank for his 'mates' and dank would order it for him to the club.
some such nonsense.
It's yet to be even alleged by the ACC or ASADA that Dank supplied anything but totally allowable supplements.
They interviewed him.
 

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no but dank said on the 7-30 report that he gave stuff to the coaches which would have been on the banned list
He also said that everything he gave the players was completely above board. I forget which answer he TOUCHED HIS NOSE. Obviously you're basing your picking and choosing on which was truthful or not on that.
 

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These latest developments don't look for the Bombers. Interested in thoughts of vaguely normal Bomber fans like LanceUppercut and Doss

If the Sharks roll over and cop a "reduced whack" then the Bombers are in trouble.

We are well outside the realms of natural justice here and into plea bargaining so that the "system" can be be seen to be "doing" something.

It is almost Wiresque.

If the Sharks squib and accept the 6 month bans, they will be coming for you guys next, if only to roll the whole matter up asap and "move on".

In that case do you cop it, or go out on a limb against the entire assembled juggernaut of government, the ACC and supra national bodies, who really won't like being publicly challenged like this?
Apologies for the slow response, DoP. I'm sure you'll forgive me for having tuned out of this thread somewhat.

As for my opinion- pretty much exactly mirrors what Lance Uppercut said in response to you.
 

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Players shall be automatically deregistered and not allowed further registration with the same or another League if the Player has accumulated a combined total of sixteen (16) weeks Suspension (or greater) in a football career (including AFL career)
how many did Barry Hall accumulate mufassa?

he would have to be up there wouldn't he? :footy:
 

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Essendon is declaring its innocence - believing there is no proof of illegal substance use. Cronulla's ASADA probe features a whistleblower believed to be head-conditioner Trent Elkin.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...llas-asada-probe/story-e6freck3-1226592725023


Heartening stuff by the Bombers.

If we all stick fat we'll get away with this.

You can't prove anything nah nah na nah nah

This is what the runaway ego's of individuals can reduce a Club too.
 

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He also said that everything he gave the players was completely above board. I forget which answer he TOUCHED HIS NOSE. Obviously you're basing your picking and choosing on which was truthful or not on that.
This keeps coming up. The players got the stuff that was compliant. The coaches, getting a bit older, got what made them happier. My wife gets her Botox injections. If I went back out to play at 42, and Botox was banned in my league, would I be a suspected drug cheat? It's not what occurs, it's what you can prove.

Here's a little tip. Essendon won't accept a "didn't dope, but here's a half million dollar fine" like Melbourne did. At least without proof.

The afl, VLAD, is on the back foot. For over a decade he was untouchable. The gloss is gone. Basic defences are showing signs of weakness. He comes out predicting his own longevity. But, he's not arrogant!

The press should be sniffing the blood. Let's hope they do.
 

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you sound like you want us to be found guilty:(

I think you are guilty, so i absolutely want dopers out.

I'm open to the idea of innocent parties at Essendon, but logic says that to clear the innocent, the guilty have to put their hand up.

If no-one puts their hand up, or tells all they know, then ASADA will have to use the letter of the laws.... Which is it is the players sole responsibility what they take.
 

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I think you are guilty, so i absolutely want dopers out.
thats fine, i think we are all aware that is your opinion

I'm open to the idea of innocent parties at Essendon, but logic says that to clear the innocent, the guilty have to put their hand up.
i am glad your open to ideas because here is one- take your ego and runaway
 
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