Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

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Riddle me? Have I missed something?
I would've thought the AFL coming out and saying "we're investigating two incidents, one with multiple use at one club and one with one player at another club" would mean that they're not investigating the other 16 clubs either.

Maybe stugots means that the other 16 clubs are still conducting their own in-house investigations?
 

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Just want to bring this up..

Melb storm were partially disqualified for a year due to salary infringement.
I think it's fair to say this is far worst..

Do we see Essendon disqualified for a year?
 
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Just want to bring this up..

Melb storm were partially disqualified for a year due to salary infringement.
I think it's fair to say this is far worst..

Do we see Essendon disqualified for a year?
They weren't "disqualified", they just played for no premiership points.

Maybe this'll be the same. I don't think the AFL would just exclude the team for the entire year. Depends if the players are given bans.
 

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They weren't "disqualified", they just played for no premiership points.

Maybe this'll be the same. I don't think the AFL would just exclude the team for the entire year. Depends if the players are given bans.
As has been stated, I doubt you could just 'disqualify' them for no other reason than that the broadcasting deal would be stuffed
 

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well theres just the small issue of the ACC investigations into multiple players at multiple clubs for illicit drug use...nothing for Carlton to worry about I am sure....
Wow, that is pathetic.

Three hundred pages of discussion on which teams are complicit in the use of PEDs and you see fit to take a completely different context?
 
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As has been stated, I doubt you could just 'disqualify' them for no other reason than that the broadcasting deal would be stuffed
So you reckon that instead of just excluding the team for the whole year, and having someone rock a bye every week, they'd let them play but not receive any premiership points for "wins"?

What happens if ASADA or WADA drop bans on half the team for 6 months, to be taken in-competition? Do Essendon play with VFL special consideration players?
 
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To be fair, I've avoided the main page of BF for a while because for the most part I can't understand what the difference is between that and Bay 13, so I'm not quite 'up' on how quick everyone is jump on 'nothing'. I also don't lump people together based on what team they support...
I hope people are more understanding moving forward.
 

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What the hell? BEST CASE SCENARIO is that Dank didn't give any PEDs to the players.
sorry, i've been a little pessimistic, but of course that is the best case scenario. doesn't feel very likely at this stage.

One player has stated that he knew they were "borderline" legal. Which consequently means they were "borderline" illegal.

Your statement that the players 'believed they were legal' is fact, is false by extension - It's disputed.

Just sayin'.

borderline legal = legal. it's either legal, or it aint. my understanding is the consent/waivers stated that it was legal.

Doping in East Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany


Parallels are similar to Essendon’s situation.
not sure if cases 25+ years ago are still relevant today, and in Australia.
 
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So why has the weapon been stood down however Hird who is accountable for the entire football program has not

FFS Hird was in the room when the players were asked to sign waivers
I'd only be guessing, but maybe the 'weapon" and Dank were pointed out in the ACC's report. Hence Essendon's actions and both guys engaging lawyers
 

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Bit of a base question:
Say ASADA handed out six-month bans to players, would those bans be effective immediately or would they specifically cover six months of competition? Are they able to enforce either?
 

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So you reckon that instead of just excluding the team for the whole year, and having someone rock a bye every week, they'd let them play but not receive any premiership points for "wins"?

What happens if ASADA or WADA drop bans on half the team for 6 months, to be taken in-competition? Do Essendon play with VFL special consideration players?
I really don't know. I wouldn't think the AFL would want to renegotiate the broadcast deal, which means that they need 18 teams. Would Essendon (or any other club) want to run out every week for a match that doesn't mean anything but you can still get injured and possibly end your career. Does the AFL have an ace up their sleeve where they can cut Ess away and have another club step straight in (even if it operates at a huge loss)
 
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Does the AFL have an ace up their sleeve where they can cut Ess away and have another club step straight in (even if it operates at a huge loss)
you call that an 'Ace'? Cutting the 2nd most valuable team to the AFL out of the competition entirely. even in a worst case scenario, i doubt this would happen.
 

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you call that an 'Ace'? Cutting the 2nd most valuable team to the AFL out of the competition entirely. even in a worst case scenario, i doubt this would happen.
remember, we are talking 'worst case' here. If the AFL had to re-up their broadcast deal today, I don't think they'd get the same offer as what they originally got. Rather than lose a % of that contract I could very much see them cut Ess adrift (at least short term) to ensure the contract is paid in full. Again, this is very hypothetical
 
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borderline legal = legal. it's either legal, or it aint. my understanding is the consent/waivers stated that it was legal.

It's legal for a 62 year old bloke to have sex with a 16 year old girl. Creepy as all feck, disreputable (arguably), but legal.

Lots of things can be "legal" in AFL but still be considered to bring the game into disrepute.


Just sayin'.

Edit: Why, yes, yes I went there. I did create an analogy between a 62 year old bloke boning a 16 year old chick and Essendon's antics.
 
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Whatever happens many on this board should apologise to Reimers.

He was simply the messenger and he was shot repeatedly for nothing else but speaking the truth as he saw it without malice in his own way. Good on him.
I do wonder, would we have heard truth from him if he'd remained on Essendons list?
 
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ok, so let me see if I have this right. Essentially little has changed today, except for a more explicit outline of the charges facing Essendon and another club. There's been no outcome of any investigation, just more information around the one we all knew was going on.

What I will say is that whilst nothing is proved, the nature of the charges Essendon are facing are heinous to say the least, and certainly concerning. I'm not sure I'm too much more concerned than I was yesterday, but IF it is found out that the club gave players illegal performance enhancing drugs then it would reprehensible in the extreme and no sane person could condone it.

I've been pretty strong on the fact that if the club are going to produce legal documents then there is no way in hell you would be using those to cover illegal activity, and I still can't believe they would do that. So that still keeps my confidence high.

But if in fact it does come out that anything like that has occurred, it would be a disgraceful turn of events. I still can't imagine it would be condoned from the top, but regardless, if it turns out that players were administered illegal substances without their knowledge or consent, then the leadership of the club is untenable. That goes without saying, I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Let's see what happens. I'm still pretty comfortable we'll be found to be ok - the outlining of an investigation is not the outcome of the investigation, and posters should do well to remember that
 
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