Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XII - 💰💰💰

[Yoda_]

Wardius continues to kick goals for GWS in the VFL. Saw him live yesterday bag 3 against Port: very good mover, reads the play well, forward craft is excellent and is a very neat left foot shot at goal (similar player to Fritsch but less selfish). We should offer him a 3 year deal.

Oli Wiltshire from Geelong another one who continues to impress

 

[astrowizzle]

Finally have some good potential picks through the academy and I can see the ASSFL just giving full access with priority to them to tas

Wet need to start rattling the tin that worked so well for North Melbourne

 

[Keystone agony]

Nah, cats haven’t used the top end of the draft to build their team. Shrewd trades and good use of late picks have built their team.

Swans somewhat similar.

Geelong have a huge location advantage and being at the top when FA was introduced. Not to mention HGA assist with finishing position

Compare us to the Saints, Dogs, Carlton, North

 

[doug85]

Cats bring in a star every couple of years. Danger, Cameron, Sniff, come into the best coached and best run club in the comp. Which guns have we recruited in the past twenty years that have won or competed for Brownlow medals or led us to successful periods?

Yeah, I said “shrewd trades” is a reason for the cats success. Not sure why you’re quoting my post. I’m not talking about Essendon.

 

[Agronomus]

Finally have some good potential picks through the academy and I can see the ASSFL just giving full access with priority to them to tas

Wet need to start rattling the tin that worked so well for North Melbourne

I'd rather we keep our dignity

 

[andleanback]

The top end of the draft didn't get us Martin, Durham, Roberts or Clarke either. Top 10 picks are the most overrated thing if we've got a good list manager

Wouldn’t say top 10 picks are overrated at all. It’s very rare to find match winning goal kicking power mids later in the draft or power key forwards. Most other positions you can find anywhere, those 2 types of player are usually only found at the pointy end.

 

[Agronomus]

Wouldn’t say top 10 picks are overrated at all. It’s very rare to find match winning goal kicking power mids later in the draft or power key forwards. Most other positions you can find anywhere, those 2 types of player are usually only found at the pointy end.

Agree. They're usually found in the top 3-4 though. If we can't get Reid I hope it's Lindsay or Grlj to replace Merrett in the midfield

 

[ant555]

Agree. They're usually found in the top 3-4 though. If we can't get Reid I hope it's Lindsay or Grlj to replace Merrett in the midfield

At the end of the day the percentages of getting players who play 200 games are clearly in favour of picks inside the top 25. Stars of the game can come from anywhere in the top 25 with a few further back but generally they are first or second round picks. The real fact is you need to do all three areas well. Maximize your draft picks. Trade well and pick up free agents that fill the last holes in the list. The draft (top end picks) has been a factor in the last 2 Hawks builds. Richmonds build. Melbourne's build. Geelong' build that lead to their 07/09/11 wins. Even West Coasts flag side.

 

[Keystone agony]

Alot of those back ended picks are defenders aswell... that are doing well

 

[Keystone agony]

If we cut deep with SEH, Shiel, Davey types then i like moneyball options in

Rosas
Chesser
Sinn
XOH
Wardius (very surprised his stat lines aint getting him a game at GWS) - maybe doesnt defend

 

[MiguelM]

Durability should be top of our list!

 

[brutus76]

Liam Reidy. Can't get a game at Freo. Domination in the ruck at WAFL. Was nearly BOG in their GF last year is ready to go

 

[crackers65]

Yeah, I said “shrewd trades” is a reason for the cats success. Not sure why you’re quoting my post. I’m not talking about Essendon.

???? I’m comparing Essendon and Geelongs recruiting strategies. Shiel, D.Smith, McKay don’t come close to Geelongs pick ups. Doesn’t help that we are not a destination club anymore.

 

[FootyGuru]

My biggest concern moving forward In list management are the health of Reid and Ridley.

I rate both very highly, and they are so important to how we could potentially improve our defence and ball movement.

But i don’t like betting on health in terms of our premiership hopes. Ridley already on a big long term deal and I’m confident Essendon will do the same with Reid.

Now this is just two key building blocks with injury concerns, but the issue is we can’t have too many more in the same (injury prone) position if we truly want to contend.

premiership windows open and shut quickly when there are too many injury prone players.

How should Essendon move forward. Should we consider moving one while they still hold high value or just hope that they come good.

Also can anyone think of a team that were “injury prone” and managed to all come together and win a flag. I can’t off the top of my head.

 

[Call Me Cake]

I said last year if Reid didn't play most of the next year I'd have called time on him. He's played up to half a season after having his first full preseason ever, and still has time to play more. If he can hopefully finish off the year in good knick I'd give him another contract. In a weird way I'm more concerned about Ridley than Reid because Rids has less time to get it right and also seems to be going through the same sort of stint on the sidelines regardless of a full preseason or not. The only thing that saves him is that Rids actually has a proven chunk of continuity in his past.

 

[Keystone agony]

I said last year if Reid didn't play most of the year I'd have called time on him. He's played up to half a season after having his first full preseason ever, and still has time to play more. If he can hopefully finish off the year in good knick I'd give him another contract. In a weird way I'm more concerned about Ridley than Reid because Rids has less time to get it right and also seems to be going through the same sort of stint on the sidelines regardless of a full preseason or not. The only thing that saves him is that Rids actually has a proven chunk of continuity in his past.

Reids getting offered atleast 3 yr deals now

 

[The Dustbin]

If we cut deep with SEH, Shiel, Davey types then i like moneyball options in

Rosas
Chesser
Sinn
XOH
Wardius (very surprised his stat lines aint getting him a game at GWS) - maybe doesnt defend

Agree re Wardius. He is still pretty raw, missed a large chunk last year. He's not replacing anyone at the moment in that well established Giants AFL forward line. He is worth the risk if there are any.

 

[thebigboy]

My biggest concern moving forward In list management are the health of Reid and Ridley.

I rate both very highly, and they are so important to how we could potentially improve our defence and ball movement.

But i don’t like betting on health in terms of our premiership hopes. Ridley already on a big long term deal and I’m confident Essendon will do the same with Reid.

Now this is just two key building blocks with injury concerns, but the issue is we can’t have too many more in the same (injury prone) position if we truly want to contend.

premiership windows open and shut quickly when there are too many injury prone players.

How should Essendon move forward. Should we consider moving one while they still hold high value or just hope that they come good.

Also can anyone think of a team that were “injury prone” and managed to all come together and win a flag. I can’t off the top of my head.

You retain Reid and back in that he can stay healthy, & considering this is an issue with his other hamstring, it's of less of a concern IMO. At this point, you'd be trading Ridley at a significant discount on what he can produce. If you make that move, it's because either a) you know more about his injuries and that he would unlikely get back to that level or b) some club is offering close to market rate, and you've got a replacement ready to go.

Personally, I'd put Ridley on ice for the year now and do whatever you need to do to get this sorted out long-term and if he breaks down again, you take whatever the market has to offer.

 

[FootyGuru]

Reids getting offered atleast 3 yr deals now

Not only that he’s probably going to be getting 750k per. Maybe more.
It could work in our favour if he takes more security in a longer deal on less money if he doesn’t have further set backs.

You retain Reid and back in that he can stay healthy, & considering this is an issue with his other hamstring, it's of less of a concern IMO. At this point, you'd be trading Ridley at a significant discount on what he can produce. If you make that move, it's because either a) you know more about his injuries and that he would unlikely get back to that level or b) some club is offering close to market rate, and you've got a replacement ready to go.

Personally, I'd put Ridley on ice for the year now and do whatever you need to do to get this sorted out long-term and if he breaks down again, you take whatever the market has to offer.

I’m just cautious in having money tied up long term to injury plagued “stars” that we are just hoping will not be injured one finals series.

Definitely hoping they both can overcome injuries and play significant roles in our next tilt.

Never would have predicted Danihers late career reliability.

 

[andleanback]

My biggest concern moving forward In list management are the health of Reid and Ridley.

I rate both very highly, and they are so important to how we could potentially improve our defence and ball movement.

But i don’t like betting on health in terms of our premiership hopes. Ridley already on a big long term deal and I’m confident Essendon will do the same with Reid.

Now this is just two key building blocks with injury concerns, but the issue is we can’t have too many more in the same (injury prone) position if we truly want to contend.

premiership windows open and shut quickly when there are too many injury prone players.

How should Essendon move forward. Should we consider moving one while they still hold high value or just hope that they come good.

Also can anyone think of a team that were “injury prone” and managed to all come together and win a flag. I can’t off the top of my head.

Ridley would be the one you move on, due to age (not saying I want to move him yet). Think Reid will be okay once his body is done growing with back injuries etc and he did miss time with an unlucky pec injury. Ridley just keeps having soft tissue injuries galore, and long term ones at that. He hasn’t played a full season in years which is the worry, as he approaches 30 you would say these problems aren’t going to go away.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Ridley would be the one you move on, due to age (not saying I want to move him yet). Think Reid will be okay once his body is done growing with back injuries etc and he did miss time with an unlucky pec injury. Ridley just keeps having soft tissue injuries galore, and long term ones at that. He hasn’t played a full season in years which is the worry, as he approaches 30 you would say these problems aren’t going to go away.

Rids is still 26 and he's technically got a good 6-7 years left in him, but he'd have to finally get over his injury prone situation sooner rather than later.

 

[ant555]

Ridley would be the one you move on, due to age (not saying I want to move him yet). Think Reid will be okay once his body is done growing with back injuries etc and he did miss time with an unlucky pec injury. Ridley just keeps having soft tissue injuries galore, and long term ones at that. He hasn’t played a full season in years which is the worry, as he approaches 30 you would say these problems aren’t going to go away.

Why not applying the Draper rule on Ried ? Unless I have misread what you have said you where no to Draper having a long term deal because he is injury prone. Unlucky or not so is Reid. I know Reid is younger but he has managed to miss more footy than Sam.

 

[andleanback]

Why not applying the Draper rule on Ried ? Unless I have misread what you have said you where no to Draper having a long term deal because he is injury prone. Unlucky or not so is Reid. I know Reid is younger but he has managed to miss more footy than Sam.

I’m not saying the club should be giving Reid a long term contract… that’s the issue with Draper. Happy for him to stay, but against him staying on a long term deal. It would be idiotic for the club to give Reid a long term deal

 

[andleanback]

Rids is still 26 and he's technically got a good 6-7 years left in him, but he'd have to finally get over his injury prone situation sooner rather than later.

27 this year.. and he’ll barely play any footy so his next season is his 28th year season… and as I said… as Ridley approaches 30. Which he is.

 

[JayJ20]

Cam MacKenzie was omitted after being subbed out last week. Super talented. We should be all over it.

Edit: I want Hustwaite not Mackenzie