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Did I force you to participate in this thread?

"Assuming all were fit and available" was a fairly obvious mandate, I am well aware of Egan's injury, and N.Ablett's possible retirement, but the point of the thread was to get folks 'ideal' teams according to their opinions based on the list as it stands now, again assuming all were fit and available

I am sure that nobody forced you to respond to this thread, if you think it is a waste of time, fair enough- but no need to be negative and try to ruin it for those who are interested and want to participate.
Are you trying to force me to post in here exactly the way you want me to? What you find is ..people have opinions. If my opinion ruins it for you because its different to yours...maybe you should find a different way to communicate about footy?

MY opinion is this is a dumb thread for December, a few weeks/even days after draft time...but hey I didnt make a big deal out of it...till you did. So you wear it then. Dont blame me. Why not try this after a scratch match or something...a relevant guide at least.

You listed the 44 guys on the senior list. Thanks. We havent seen 9 of the guys in Geelong jumpers yet...and you have them up for selection. You go for it. Please tell me...why did you pick them in their given positions...what are you basing it on? What have you seen them do that has us employing them this way at senior level?

And at the moment there's a less than 10% chance Nab and Egan will line up together round 1...and thats being generous. Soon as you take 2 guys out of a side...it changes where everyone lines up...not just in the firsts but in the seconds as well. So as I said its a pointless exercise other than naming the 44 guys on the list.

You know last time I checked this is still a football forum about a professional national code and some of us post accordingly...its not Alice in Wonderland or the under 8s to me. Is that being negative or just exactly how I feel about it. When you start naming people in a side...my assumption is you intend to run it out as a football team. My simple question to you is...why?...based on what exactly?

The simple point here is...if you dont want people giving their opinions...dont ask for them in the first place? IF on the other hand you just want people to agree with you all day...why not mention that in the opening post...and I wouldnt have given my objective and truthful view.

here it is..."This thread is for everyone who merely agrees with me and the idea/concept of picking players for positions on a football field before we have even seen them play 1 minute of footy"...

great stuff...:thumbsu:...and I make no apologies for pointing this sh1t out either...
 

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Apparently this was your mandate too, yet you still left Egan out!
I already know Egan wont be fit so its called 'relevance'... its a more 'revolutionary' mandate based on people we know to be fit at this present point in time and not just picking fairies out of the sky and placing them neatly on a Xmas tree...

You're not really putting that much thought into this are you?
 

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You're not really putting that much thought into this are you?
Haha, whatever. Don't try to make this look like my problem. You are the one with issues about this thread. In fact I am not even going to respond to your post because it appears that you are just looking for an argument.

Personally I have better things to do.
 
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Haha, whatever. Don't try to make this look like my problem. You are the one with issues about this thread. In fact I am not even going to respond to your post because it appears that you are just looking for an argument.

Personally I have better things to do.
Good idea I concur. I dont mind any thread to be honest...but since you pressed me on my views on this one I gave them.

I guess you'll know what to do next time...:thumbsu:
 

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I reckon by the first week in the finals the team might read something like this

B: Enright Scarlett Harley
HB: Milburn Egan Mackie
C: Selwood Bartel Corey
HF: S.Johnson Mooney N Ablett
F: Stokes Hawkins Chapman
FOLL: Ottens Ling G.Ablett
INTER: Blake Djerkurra Rooke Varcoe
 

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I reckon by the first week in the finals the team might read something like this

B: Enright Scarlett Harley
HB: Milburn Egan Mackie
C: Selwood Bartel Corey
HF: S.Johnson Mooney N Ablett
F: Stokes Hawkins Chapman
FOLL: Ottens Ling G.Ablett
INTER: Blake Djerkurra Rooke Varcoe
Who takes the small dangerous forwards?? Don't say Harley... he gets a bath from all the good players, and is only very useful as the 3rd man to the contest.. eg N.Brown, A.Davey, B.Ebert, B.Johnson, L.Davis.

That defense is way too tall. + Enright / Milburn / Mackie are not key post players.

N.Ablett won't be there... we all heard Mooney say on TV that they had to beg him to go away and think about his own decision to walk away. He's gone.

What is the big deal with Djerkurra?? Yet to play a game in the seniors yet?? Hasn't set the world on fire in the 2s either?? No way we have room for 2 Aboriginals in that side. They are barely accountable and flakey.. typically of course.
 

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AFL team.. round 1.

B: Hunt Scarlett Harley
HB: Milburn Egan Mackie
C: Selwood Bartel Corey
HF: S.Johnson Chapman Kelly
F: Stokes Mooney Hawkins
FOLL: Ottens Ling G.Ablett
INTER: Blake Wojcinski Rooke Enright

The rest stay in the VFL.

Some thoughts...

Djerkurra is too raw, unproven and far from ready to break into this team.

Varcoe still not consistant enough, needs to prove himself first.

Byrnes is the luckiest midget on earth to get a GF spot this year and won't get a look in.

Hunt provides more flexibility in the backline than a lot realise.

The first out of Kelly and Wojcinski to not perform consistently makes way for Prismall. I have a feeling at least one/maybe both will have a down year.

Nath shouldn't come back, even if he decides he wants to, he clearly isn't committed and doesn't deserve a gig.
 

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Hunt provides more flexibility in the backline than a lot realise.
This is a point most overlook because he doesn't seem to be a 'favourite' at the moment.

FACT: You can't just fill a side with the players you LIKE the best, it requires structure. Enright is useless in the pocket too.. he is NOT a defender, he is a running back / wingman who gets handball receives. He is not fast, a good spoiler, strong body-to-body... Hunt is... and these are the credentials required for that role. Harley is great for the other pocket because he does the 3rd man (to contest) role better than anyone I've ever seen possibly.

Tenace is another who could have been a good defender but is much like an Enright with half as much skill.
 

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No way we have room for 2 Aboriginals in that side. They are barely accountable and flakey.. typically of course.
Oh yeah Aboriginal players like Andrew McLeod, Adam Goodes, Michael O'Loughlin, Lance Franklin and David Wirrpanda are typically flakey aren't they? And that Polly Farmer guy was pretty unaccountable.

I'd like to think the Geelong coaching panel judges players solely on ability and not some ignorant stereotypical view based on their racial background.
 

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What is the big deal with Djerkurra?? Yet to play a game in the seniors yet?? Hasn't set the world on fire in the 2s either?? No way we have room for 2 Aboriginals in that side. They are barely accountable and flakey.. typically of course.
Martyk.. Martyk yet another can of worms. ;)
 

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Who takes the small dangerous forwards?? Don't say Harley... he gets a bath from all the good players, and is only very useful as the 3rd man to the contest.. eg N.Brown, A.Davey, B.Ebert, B.Johnson, L.Davis.

That defense is way too tall. + Enright / Milburn / Mackie are not key post players.

N.Ablett won't be there... we all heard Mooney say on TV that they had to beg him to go away and think about his own decision to walk away. He's gone.

What is the big deal with Djerkurra?? Yet to play a game in the seniors yet?? Hasn't set the world on fire in the 2s either?? No way we have room for 2 Aboriginals in that side. They are barely accountable and flakey.. typically of course.

How is life in Corio you little redneck? Get out, travel, see a bit of the world, and try not to open your mouth while you do it. People like you are a sad reflection on how far our world really still has to come. Oh... just so you know, that side contains 3 Aboriginals, not 2. Matthew "flaky, unaccountable" Stokes is Aboriginal... You know... the guy who came back on in the Grand final after injuring a knee, our best forward defensively... Get a clue you tool.
 

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And my team for the 1st game of the NAB Cup.

B: Enright Scarlett Lonergan
HB: Taylor Harley Mackie
C: Djerkurra Selwood Davenport
HF: Stokes Mooney Johnson/Chapman (one or other not both)
F: Gamble Hawkins Varcoe
FOLL: Blake Kelly Prismall
INTER: West Rooke Wojcinski Tenace


Not sure how they would go but would give us an oportunity to see alot of players that might be able to push for AFL this season or the next and to test some of the depth as well as giving a few of the main players that longer break before their bodies start being pounded again.

I would like to see how the following perform....
Djerkurra, Davenport, Gamble, Hawkins, Varcoe, West
Prismall I think we know can perform at AFL but I would like to see the development of the others since they were last on the park. I would also like to see Varcoe given a run across the center of the ground to see how he goes.
 

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Will add something else to this

Team for Round 1
B: Milburn - Scarlett - Hunt
HB: Rooke - Harley - Mackie
C: Wojcinski - Bartel - Corey
HF: Stokes - Mooney - Chapman
F: Johnson - Hawkins - Kelly
R: Ottens - Ling - Ablett
INT: Enright - Blake - Selwood - Prismal
EMG: Byrnes - Varcoe - Taylor

Team by Round 22*
B: Milburn - Scarlett - Harley
HB: Rooke - Egan - Mackie
C: Wojcinski - Bartel - Corey
HF: Stokes - N.Ablett - Chapman
F: Johnson - Mooney - Varcoe
R: Ottens - Ling - Ablett
INT: Enright - West - Selwood - Prismal
EMG: Hunt - Kelly - Taylor

* Obviously this doesn't take on injuries, however it will go on what i think players form will be and players pushing for selection by the end of the home and away season.
 

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How is life in Corio you little redneck? Get out, travel, see a bit of the world, and try not to open your mouth while you do it. People like you are a sad reflection on how far our world really still has to come. Oh... just so you know, that side contains 3 Aboriginals, not 2. Matthew "flaky, unaccountable" Stokes is Aboriginal... You know... the guy who came back on in the Grand final after injuring a knee, our best forward defensively... Get a clue you tool.
Corio?? Sorry I'm not familiar with that town. In my world it as good as doesn't exist. :p

Do any of you simpletons understand the word "typically"? I mentioned that typically they are not accountable and flakey, which is true. This doesn't mean there were never good aboriginal players. I guess its just the usual case of say anything about a minority that isn't ultra positive and your a racist... pfft, grow up! I've got mates who are dark skinned (not abo) get a life.

By the way... if your saying I should travel as in I should learn more about Aboriginal life, I'm afraid your the one who is ignorant on this topic. Why don't you travel up north and answer your own question idiot. You'll be surprised by what you see. I'm very well aware about what is going on in this country... don't make this into a racist argument because it just plain isn't one.
 

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How is life in Corio you little redneck? Get out, travel, see a bit of the world, and try not to open your mouth while you do it. People like you are a sad reflection on how far our world really still has to come. Oh... just so you know, that side contains 3 Aboriginals, not 2. Matthew "flaky, unaccountable" Stokes is Aboriginal... You know... the guy who came back on in the Grand final after injuring a knee, our best forward defensively... Get a clue you tool.
He is not worth it. Have tried to reason with him to no avail - I have decided that it is best i just ignore his crap and not respond to it in the future - he is just an irrelevance. Would suggest you and everyone else of a similar mind do so as well.

With regard to your team, your backline is pretty much what we had going this year; Enright, Mackie, Milburn, Hunt and even Harley have all shown they can play on small forwards. Other options may include Djerrkura, depending on how he progresses over the pre-season. He has the speed and hardness to be used in that role. Whether he has the concentration at this stage of his career remains to be seen. Anyway we have a range of options.
 

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Do any of you simpletons understand the word "typically"? I mentioned that typically they are not accountable and flakey, which is true. This doesn't mean there were never good aboriginal players. I guess its just the usual case of say anything about a minority that isn't ultra positive and your a racist... pfft, grow up! I've got mates who are dark skinned (not abo) get a life.
Mate, you are the one who said Djerrkura shouldn't be in the side because there's no room for another Aborigine in the side, because they're not accountable and flaky. Nothing whatsoever in that about the man himself. That my friend is the definition of racism - attaching "typical" characteristics to someone solely because of their race, with no reference to them individually.

So you have clearly proven yourself a racist (and a d!ckhead). Perhaps you should think about that before you go around wrongly criticising people for pulling you up on it.

Just for the record, Djerrkura is as tough as they come, hard at the ball and the man, and makes opponents earn every kick. Perhaps you should actually watch him play before you comment. I suggest the VFL GF, about 3 mins and 20 seconds in, as a starting point.
 

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Mate, you are the one who said Djerrkura shouldn't be in the side because there's no room for another Aborigine in the side, because they're not accountable and flaky. Nothing whatsoever in that about the man himself. That my friend is the definition of racism - attaching "typical" characteristics to someone solely because of their race, with no reference to them individually.
Take your head out of the sand. If you want to see that as a racist comment then fine... I don't care. To me it's not racist. If he gets a game then fine... I just don't see him and Varcoe both there at once.

What is our fellow forum member saying about people from Corio exactly? Is he insinuating that all Corio people are red necks?? I think so!! Why not attack him? How is attacking a race or a social group different? I'll leave that one for you to think about... ;) For the record I live in Torquay and am well educated and earn a good living.

Just for the record, Djerrkura is as tough as they come, hard at the ball and the man, and makes opponents earn every kick. Perhaps you should actually watch him play before you comment. I suggest the VFL GF, about 3 mins and 20 seconds in, as a starting point.
Says you... Why didn't he get a game in the AFL then?? Byrnes and Varcoe never set the world on fire so what stopped Djerrkura getting pushed up Einstein??

Making idiotic assumptions seems to be your forte so we'll just leave it at that, yeah??
 

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Says you... Why didn't he get a game in the AFL then?? Byrnes and Varcoe never set the world on fire so what stopped Djerrkura getting pushed up Einstein??

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