Age 2004 Season Prediction

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Oh dear, with all these experts saying so, we must be gone! The link between The Adelaide Crows and ER clinches it for me. :rolleyes:


2004 preview: Adelaide
March 12, 2004

Adelaide played finals football in five of the past seven seasons, but a panel of Age experts predicts an end to their run. Emma Quayle reports on the Crows' chances for 2004.

There are similarities to be drawn between the Crows and ER. The television drama played out its best scripts late last decade and, with the departure of at least one big name, has had its staying power queried at the start of almost each new season since.

Still, it has managed to recruit enough established talent and promote enough long-serving talent to more prominent roles to keep chugging along nicely in the ratings.

Similarly, the Crows were at their most must-see several years ago but have produced a quality product ever since, not garnering any awards but always hovering in contention.

To write Adelaide off in 2004 is, therefore, risky business. The Crows have played finals football in five of the past seven seasons.

They did not drop out of the eight last year, climbed to No. 2 at one point, and could have finished top. Mark Bickley is a loss, but the only big one, and Adelaide's draw looks accommodating enough - seven of its last 10 games are at home.

Should it all fall to star power, the Crows are well cast. Their best players are among the competition's most damaging.

Mark Ricciuto and Andrew McLeod are the sort of players you like to build teams around, and the likes of Ben Hart, Nigel Smart, Tyson Edwards, Simon Goodwin, Tyson Stenglein and Brett Burton have done that very well. Then there is Wayne Carey.

Adelaide's hopes lie again in its midfield, which is not such a bad thing. The credentials of ruckman Matthew Clarke and Rhett Biglands need no explanation; on paper, they, Ricciuto, McLeod, Edwards and co. look second only to the Brisbane Lions, and possibly West Coast.

They are good for goals, too, and will need to be. Defensively, Adelaide looks OK. Hart and Smart are an experienced, very capable pair that the honest Nathan Bassett and Jason Torney sit well alongside.

The Crows have blooded few self-developed youngsters in the past few years but Ken McGregor is one of them, and is homing in on 100 games. He is the sort of nofuss type the club will want to start proving himself more prepared for life after Smart and Hart.


Up forward, things get shakier. The Carey Experiment was not as successful as was hoped, and Ronnie Burns was not one to rave about, either. Adelaide's leading goalkicker last year was Graham Johncock and he only kicked 30 (the lowest at any club).

Mark Stevens' right knee remains dodgy and without him the Crows look low on marking targets. In a perfect world anything Carey does this year will be icing, not the cake. Johncock should develop even more, Burns and Scott Welsh will have to up their goal tallies and Ian Perrie must impose himself even further. Same for Scott Stevens.

Should Adelaide's best players play well again this year, expect them to be thereabouts. Should their older players fall in a heap, prepare for possible gore. Recent history (read: Carlton) shows that when clubs, hold too long to youth-resistance a tumble can become more of a free-fall.

QUAYLE'S BEST 22

B: Torney, Bassett, Hart
HB: Smart, McGregor, Edwards
C: Massie, Stenglein, Burton
HF: Goodwin, Mark Stevens, Johncock
F: Carey, Perrie, Welsh
Foll: Clarke, Ricciuto, McLeod
Inter: Biglands, Bode, Burns, Reilly

Arrivals: Ben Hudson (draft), Joshua Krueger (draft), Hayden Skipworth (rookie list), Scott Stevens (traded, Sydney), Fergus Watts (draft).

Departures: Mark Bickley (retired), Andrew Crowell, Ben Marsh, Ben Nelson, Daniel Schell, Matthew Smith (all delisted).

AT THE CROSSROADS

Mark Stevens is everything Adelaide needs in its forward line - a hard-working, marking goalkicker. On ability, he is not even approaching the crossroads. What takes him there is the fact that he is a) such a key and b) so troubled by his right knee.

Scott Welsh has been similarly unlucky in the past two years, playing 13 games in 2002 and just 10 last season, with thumb, groin, back and ankle problems. On his day, Welsh can kick a bag. The Crows would like him to kick several of them.

Michael Doughty looked the goods in 2002, playing all 25 games and with some real grunt. But last season he slipped, managing just six games and filling only bit parts. The Adelaide midfield is no easier to break in to than it was this time last year. But having done it before, Doughty must find the confidence to go again.

ON THE RISE

Brent Reilly knows what it means to wait. A broken collarbone wiped out the middle of his second season, but the coaches thought enough to bring the well-balanced wingman back for the second showdown and the first final. Reilly has the grounding and talent to lodge himself in the senior side quickly this year.

Trent Hentschel was known as "Roo Boy" growing up in Darwin and could put his high-leaping game to good use at either end of the ground. That the 21-year-old was an emergency six times in the last half of last year suggests he will get the chance.

Don’t expect to see Fergus Watts too soon. But the courageous forward is Adelaide’s biggest investment in the national draft since it picked Reilly at No. 12 in 2001, and could be introduced late-season.

THE PAST 5 YEARS

1999 - 13th
2000 - 11th
2001 - 8th
2002 - 4th
2003 - 5th

BEST AND FAIREST - TOP 10, 2003

1. Mark Ricciuto 159
2. Tyson Edwards 137
3. Andrew McLeod 117
4. Mark Bickley 116
5. Graham Johncock 106
6. Brett Burton 104
7. Ken McGregor 95
Eq. 8. Wayne Carey 92, Tyson Stenglein 92
10. Matthew Clarke 86

DRAW FOR 2004

RD 1: v Kangaroos, MCG, Sun, Mar 27
RD 2: v Brisbane Lions, AS, Sat, Apr 3
RD 3: v Fremantle, Subiaco, Sun, April 11
RD 4: v St Kilda, AS, Sat, April 17 (n)
RD 5: v Richmond, TD, Fri, April 23 (n)
RD 6: v Geelong, SS, Sun, May 2
RD 7: v Port Adel, AS, Sat, May 8 (n)
RD 8: v Essendon, AS, Fri, May 14 (n)
RD 9: v Collingwood, TD, Fri, May 21 (n)
RD 10: v Hawthorn, MCG, Sat, May 29
RD 11: v Carlton, AS, Sat, June 5
RD 12: v West Coast, Subiaco, Sat, June 12 (n)
RD 13: v W Bulldogs, AS, Sun, June 20
RD 14: v Melbourne, AS, Sun, July 4
RD 15: v Sydney, SCG, Sat, July 10 (n)
RD 16: v Fremantle, AS, Sat, July 17 (n)
RD 17: v Brisbane Lions, Gabba, Sat, July 24 (n)
RD 18: v Kangaroos, AS, Fri, July 30 (n)
RD 19: v St Kilda, YP, Sat, August 7
RD 20: v Richmond, AS, Sun, August 15
RD 21: v Geelong, AS, Sat, August 21
RD 22: v Port Adel, AS, Sun, August 29

OUR EXPERTS PREDICT

Dermott Brereton - 10th
Rohan Connolly - 11th
Jake Niall - 10th
Stephen Rielly - 10th
Robert Walls - 10th
Tim Watson - 10th
Caroline Wilson - 11th

THE COACH

After falling short last year, Gary Ayres could have gone the cleanout. Instead, he continues to place faith in the core of senior players, which is no wonder, because they continue to play good footy.

Ayres is often criticised for a supposed lack of tactical nous, but the Crows are the sort of "let's-go" side that probably doesn't have to pull too many rabbits from hats.

STATS HIGHLIGHTS

Matthew Clarke and Rhett Biglands got the Crows rolling well last year. Adelaide led the league on effective hit-outs, with an average of 20 per game, and made good use of them, clearing the ball from ball-ups 15 times each week. Surprisingly, they ranked last for centre bounce clearances, with just 11 per match.

The Crows are not big bouncers, taking an average of eight per game last year, compared with the Kangaroos' 19. Perhaps as a consequence they also ranked lowest for shepherds, at six per game.

CLUB INFORMATION

Address: 105 West Lakes Boulevard, West Lakes, SA 5021
Website: afc.com.au
Email: crows@afc.com.au
Captain: Mark Ricciuto
Coach: Gary Ayres
President: Bill Sanders
CEO: Steven Trigg
 

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Originally posted by napsyd
Mark Stevens is everything Adelaide needs in its forward line - a hard-working, marking goalkicker.
This is one comment I aree 110% with.

Overall there are some good points but some shockers. They are al writing us off which gives me the confidence that we will play finals last year.

At least The Age acknowledges that we have a couple of good youngsters that are likely to play some games this year (Reilly and Hentschel) whish is more than I can say for other predictions.

On that note, how come everyone in the media all of a sudden rate Reilly as the one that will step up and play all games this year. I thought we didn't have quality youngsters:confused: . Even if you look at the thread on the main board about a rising star winner a few people think Reilly will win it but only a couple of months ago we didn't have any quality youngsters to speak off.:rolleyes:
 

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I am genuinely surprised at the amount of "experts" writing us off. They all acknowledge that the only real loss from last season is Bickley so what are they basing their logic on?

The defence will be fine. We have a good solid combination down there built around Kenny at CHB.
The midfield will also be fine. We have genuine top liners in this mix.
The forward line is our weakness but if it's analysed compared to last year not much has changed, and if anything it may have improved marginally. We didn't have much of Stevo last year and unfortunately it looks like this year will be the same. Scotty Welsh had an injury plagued year in 2003 and we would be looking for a good year from him. Carey missed a lot of games last year and by his own admission feels better this year. Stiffy showed he will have another ripper of a year and will kick goals. Ronnie Burns hasn't deteriorated from last year and is a genuine goalsneak. Scott Stevens gives an additional option.

We were sitting second on the ladder before that flu went through the camp last year and IMO this had a lot to do with our late fade-out. I honestly can't see why we won't make the 8.
 

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Originally posted by Fergus
I am genuinely surprised at the amount of "experts" writing us off.
Are you? The reason is simple. They are sheep.

There was also an article about what Greg Blewitt would do if he was coach, but I didn't post it because:

1. It reflects the views of most on this board.
2. He doesn't really give any views on what he would do if he was coach, apart from run Macca in the midfield more. This is obvious to everyone, except for maybe one G. Ayres.
 
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Re: Re: Age 2004 Season Prediction

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
This is one comment I aree 110% with.

Overall there are some good points but some shockers. They are al writing us off which gives me the confidence that we will play finals last year.

At least The Age acknowledges that we have a couple of good youngsters that are likely to play some games this year (Reilly and Hentschel) whish is more than I can say for other predictions.

On that note, how come everyone in the media all of a sudden rate Reilly as the one that will step up and play all games this year. I thought we didn't have quality youngsters:confused: . Even if you look at the thread on the main board about a rising star winner a few people think Reilly will win it but only a couple of months ago we didn't have any quality youngsters to speak off.:rolleyes:
The list of quality youngsters at the Crows capable of becoming part of the core group is a very short one...
Reilly
Watts
and now Hentschell

Considering Smart, Burns, Clarke, Carey, Stevens are probably in their last year I find this very concerning, and that's before they start to delist the hacks!
I can't see how all of Ladhams, Doughty, Mattner, Bock, Gallagher, Skipworth, Shirley, Begley, Rutten, Skipworth can survive the year based on merit.

In my opinion a sizeable chunk of these should go, but they won't because Crows will have to offload the 5 retirees as well.

AFC are in a very precarious position list-wise atm.
They will need a very good injury run just to hold their position from last year.

Kernahan knows what they will do next year.
Whatever it is I fear it will be at least one year too late.
 

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This is all brilliant news, I just love reading these articles :)

With everyone predicting our demise and expecting us to fall out of the eight, the weight of expectation is clearly off our shoulders and we can just concentrate on proving everyone wrong. The underdog status is with us and this can only be a help.
 
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Originally posted by ant
This is all brilliant news, I just love reading these articles :)

With everyone predicting our demise and expecting us to fall out of the eight, the weight of expectation is clearly off our shoulders and we can just concentrate on proving everyone wrong. The underdog status is with us and this can only be a help.
For sure. The more the our expectations are lowered, the better we tend to perform. Bring on 2004! :cool:
 

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Id have the experts read drip under pressure predictions pinned to the dart board in the Crows locker room if I was Ayresy.

ps see left.:p
 

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Re: Re: Re: Age 2004 Season Prediction

Originally posted by naughty monkey
The list of quality youngsters at the Crows capable of becoming part of the core group is a very short one...
Reilly
Watts
and now Hentschell

Considering Smart, Burns, Clarke, Carey, Stevens are probably in their last year I find this very concerning, and that's before they start to delist the hacks!
I can't see how all of Ladhams, Doughty, Mattner, Bock, Gallagher, Skipworth, Shirley, Begley, Rutten, Skipworth can survive the year based on merit.

In my opinion a sizeable chunk of these should go, but they won't because Crows will have to offload the 5 retirees as well.

AFC are in a very precarious position list-wise atm.
They will need a very good injury run just to hold their position from last year.

Kernahan knows what they will do next year.
Whatever it is I fear it will be at least one year too late.
6 months ago a lot of people here didn't rate Hentschel yet all of a sudden he is one of our most promising youngsters. I think the 3 you have listed are poetential stars. I think Krueger can develop into a solid key forward and Ladhams, Begley and Doughty are good AFL players. Jericho also has the potential to be a very good AFL player.

One thing AFC generaly do very well is trading. Sure we had a stuff up with Carey trade but in general we are pretty good. We must make sure that in the next couple of drafts we do well.

If we can trade well and draft well we will cover a few of those vacancies. we are probably due for a slight dip in ladder positioning but I don't think it will be this year. It is more likely to be in 2005 or even 2006.

I think that from our current list of youngsters Reilly, Hentschel and Watts have potential to be stars of the competition. The likes of Schuback, Krueger, Jericho and possibly Bock have th epotantial to be very good players. Unless we are celler-dwellers for a number of year like St. Kilda, we won't get the guns like Reiwoldt, Kosi, Clarkes, Ball, Goddard. Peronally I don't think we are as badly off for youngsters as some would have us believe. Sure we need to stock up on a few quality youngsters in the next couple of years but its not as bleak as a lot of "experts" would have us believe.

BTW, what has th elack of youngsters got to do with our chances THIS year?????? Surely, if a side is playing for a premiership its better to have players in the prime of their careers than inexperienced promising youngsters.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Age 2004 Season Prediction

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
6 months ago a lot of people here didn't rate Hentschel yet all of a sudden he is one of our most promising youngsters.
Yes it's amazing how one reasonable performance in a wizard cup game has everyone frothing at the month.

The jury's still out as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Age 2004 Season Prediction

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
6 months ago a lot of people here didn't rate Hentschel yet all of a sudden he is one of our most promising youngsters. I think the 3 you have listed are poetential stars. I think Krueger can develop into a solid key forward and Ladhams, Begley and Doughty are good AFL players. Jericho also has the potential to be a very good AFL player.

One thing AFC generaly do very well is trading. Sure we had a stuff up with Carey trade but in general we are pretty good. We must make sure that in the next couple of drafts we do well.

If we can trade well and draft well we will cover a few of those vacancies. we are probably due for a slight dip in ladder positioning but I don't think it will be this year. It is more likely to be in 2005 or even 2006.

I think that from our current list of youngsters Reilly, Hentschel and Watts have potential to be stars of the competition. The likes of Schuback, Krueger, Jericho and possibly Bock have th epotantial to be very good players. Unless we are celler-dwellers for a number of year like St. Kilda, we won't get the guns like Reiwoldt, Kosi, Clarkes, Ball, Goddard. Peronally I don't think we are as badly off for youngsters as some would have us believe. Sure we need to stock up on a few quality youngsters in the next couple of years but its not as bleak as a lot of "experts" would have us believe.

BTW, what has th elack of youngsters got to do with our chances THIS year?????? Surely, if a side is playing for a premiership its better to have players in the prime of their careers than inexperienced promising youngsters.
Agreed with most of this.

I don't know that the Crows are even due any dip in ladder position. At the end of this year there will be a great deal of salary cap space made available to the Crows. With a modicum of luck there will be other clubs keen to trade because they are under salary cap pressure. Given enough pressure, they may even be willing to trade a good (but expensive) player without demanding too much back.

Couple that with a decent draft pick or two, and Krueger and Watts maybe pressing for selection next year as well - with a bit of luck & good management the Crows could even improve their stocks over the next year or so, despite the number of players retiring.
 

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Originally posted by ok.crows
Agreed with most of this.

I don't know that the Crows are even due any dip in ladder position. At the end of this year there will be a great deal of salary cap space made available to the Crows. With a modicum of luck there will be other clubs keen to trade because they are under salary cap pressure. Given enough pressure, they may even be willing to trade a good (but expensive) player without demanding too much back.

Couple that with a decent draft pick or two, and Krueger and Watts maybe pressing for selection next year as well - with a bit of luck & good management the Crows could even improve their stocks over the next year or so, despite the number of players retiring.
One thing is fact. We will have a lot of room in our cap prior to the next trade period due to retirements. Whether there will be the type of player available that we want and need is another question entirely and too hard to predict. As you say we will need a modicum of luck for that to happen.

One club that always gets themself into salary cap strife is Richmond, and they've now added Brown to their list of big earners. Would you chase an Ottens if he became available or would you prefer to use our draft picks to get some young mid-fielders of the future and rely on Watts, Hentschel and Krueger to be our key forwards of the future??
 

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Agree totally with ok.crows. As long as Watts and Krueger stay fit I think we will have two very, very good tall forwards in the next couple of years. Welsh isn't that long in the tooth either and hopefully he will have another strong four or five years left in him.

In answer to macca23 (apologies for stealing you name btw) I personally don't think we should go after Ottens. We will probably need to draft another young ruckman in the next year or two, but I think a more pressing need is a fullback. I don't think we will ever win a premiership with Bassett (as much as I admire his courage and commitment) as our FB. We need a strong defender who can take the likes of Lynch. I feel like a broken record but IMO the only thing between us and the Lions the last time we met was Lynch.

As for the immediate future of the team I think Doughty can still become a player for us. Hopefully Skipworth can come on as well, and Ladhams can find some consistency.

I'd still rather have Steven Salopek than Carey.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Age 2004 Season Prediction

Originally posted by naughty monkey
The list of quality youngsters at the Crows capable of becoming part of the core group is a very short one...
Reilly
Watts
and now Hentschell

Considering Smart, Burns, Clarke, Carey, Stevens are probably in their last year I find this very concerning, and that's before they start to delist the hacks!
I can't see how all of Ladhams, Doughty, Mattner, Bock, Gallagher, Skipworth, Shirley, Begley, Rutten, Skipworth can survive the year based on merit.

In my opinion a sizeable chunk of these should go, but they won't because Crows will have to offload the 5 retirees as well.

AFC are in a very precarious position list-wise atm.
They will need a very good injury run just to hold their position from last year.

Kernahan knows what they will do next year.
Whatever it is I fear it will be at least one year too late.
Thats a fair assessment
My only comment would be that this year is our last chance for a few years.
Your right, this draft will be extra, extra important. Time to get some real quality youngsters into the system. If we are agressive and place ourselves for a couple of top 10 picks, the future is OK, if not we could be in for a rough few seasons.
 
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Originally posted by macca23
One thing is fact. We will have a lot of room in our cap prior to the next trade period due to retirements. Whether there will be the type of player available that we want and need is another question entirely and too hard to predict. As you say we will need a modicum of luck for that to happen.

One club that always gets themself into salary cap strife is Richmond, and they've now added Brown to their list of big earners. Would you chase an Ottens if he became available or would you prefer to use our draft picks to get some young mid-fielders of the future and rely on Watts, Hentschel and Krueger to be our key forwards of the future??
Not keen on Ottens, for one we would have to sell the farm, and secondly, he's not the style of ruckman we need, I prefer some mongrel, marking ability and physicality.
Look at the reaction from all of us to Hudsons style of play - we all LOVE IT

To the second part of your comment - absolutely need to draft quality midfielders, but also a quality full Back.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Not keen on Ottens, for one we would have to sell the farm, and secondly, he's not the style of ruckman we need, I prefer some mongrel, marking ability and physicality.
Look at the reaction from all of us to Hudsons style of play - we all LOVE IT

To the second part of your comment - absolutely need to draft quality midfielders, but also a quality full Back.
Otten would be very handy, but having said that I agree with you that drafting is a better long term solution, as we need to put some quality young midfielders into the pipeline, as well as a physically stronger FB.

As for Hudson, yes, I do love the way he has a red hot crack at everything. How refreshing is that after watching that week reed, Ben Marsh, for all of those painful years.

I genuinely see Hudson going down the same path as Brogan.
 

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Originally posted by macca23
One club that always gets themself into salary cap strife is Richmond, and they've now added Brown to their list of big earners. Would you chase an Ottens if he became available or would you prefer to use our draft picks to get some young mid-fielders of the future and rely on Watts, Hentschel and Krueger to be our key forwards of the future??
Ots all well and good that we will have a lot of space in our salary cap. Its all well and good that some clubs will have a very tight salary cap and might need to off-load a quality player. I agree with all that except for whar ok.crows said about them giving it away for less.

Lets use Richmond as an example. Lets say Richmond can't afford to sign Ottens because they are tight with salary cap. I am 100% sure than in this case they will want early round draft picks and rightly so. We are all assuming that Adelaide will be the only player in this but what about Port. They might be able to offer Richmond more than we can. Imagine how good would Port be if they had Tredrea and Ottens as key forward and use Chad at CHB.

I think the days of getting quality for quantity are gone. No club will part with their valuable assett without proper compensation.
 

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Since you are all mentioning a need for FB one player that I would love to get to our club is Brian Harris from the Western Bulldogs. Watch that bloke play FB for the doggies this year. He is big (194 cm/ 94 kg), strong and has a bit of pace. Most importantly he has a red hot go. I reckon in time he will be one of the best FBs in the comp. I really rate the bloke. If we can somehow trade for Harris and Faulkner this off season we would potentially have a bloody good spine in a few years time

FF: Joshu Krueger
CHF: Fergus Watts
C: Brent Reilly (in time he will be a very good onballer)
CHB: Ken McGregor
FB: Brian Harris

I think our policy for the next 2-4 years should be to recruit player under the age of 23.
 

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I agree that Harris could become an excellent FB Stiffy - the problem is that the Bulldogs know it too. They won't let him go without over-the-odds compensation. IMO we need to pull off a real recruiting coup - ala Mal Michael for Jarrad Molloy.

I have been very critical of our trading in the last few years - not because we have had lots of big stuffs ups - but simply because we don't do much. I think our team has become stale in the last 24 months and the guy from Hawks Headquarters summed it up perfectly when he said "The Crows look like a side full of players who want to hang on to their spots, not a side that has players from the reserves continually pushing for senior berths". If we are to improve this year we need not only for our forwards to be injury free, but guys like Doughty and Hentschy really pushing to be in our starting XV111.
 

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Originally posted by McLeod23
I agree that Harris could become an excellent FB Stiffy - the problem is that the Bulldogs know it too. They won't let him go without over-the-odds compensation.
I reckon he will be a beauty :). He is a bit of a late developer. He got drafted late and has played 13 (I think) AFL games. I think we MUST have red hot crack at Harris and Faulkner in a package deal. I think both will be guns. Hell I would be prepared to trade Bassett and a sweetener for Harris. He is a genuine prospect. The beauty of Harris is also his ability to play in different positions. He kicked 3 goals against us last year from memory. A very good player.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I reckon he will be a beauty :). He is a bit of a late developer. He got drafted late and has played 13 (I think) AFL games. I think we MUST have red hot crack at Harris and Faulkner in a package deal. I think both will be guns. Hell I would be prepared to trade Bassett and a sweetener for Harris. He is a genuine prospect. The beauty of Harris is also his ability to play in different positions. He kicked 3 goals against us last year from memory. A very good player.
He kicked 2 against us I think Stiffy.

If Harris and Faulkner are that good that we MUST have a crack at getting them in a package deal, surely the Bulldogs would know their true value even better than we would.

If it's Bassett and a sweetener for Harris, what are we going to have to give up for a package deal??

As you say the days of quantity for quality are over.
 

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Originally posted by macca23
If it's Bassett and a sweetener for Harris, what are we going to have to give up for a package deal??
To get Faulkner I think its fair to say that we will have to part company with our 1st round draft pick or equivelant.

If we want something good we have got be prepared to pay the price for it. If we get Harris and Faulkner for say Bassett, Doughty and a 1st round pick, I would be happy. Maybe its just me but I rate them both highly especially Harris as he is a KPP and have seen more of him.
 
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