List Mgmt. Age Spread

[manpurple]

I notice that some people are mentioning a desire by Bond to distribute players evenly with regards to age. In this case I have decided to look at who belongs in which age group as per the 2014 season.

19-21
Simpson, Smith, Moller
Sheridan, Crozier, Duffy, Neale, Taberner
Michie, Mellington, Sutcliffe, Menagola

22-23 (nobody 24)
Morabito, Fyfe, Walters, Hannath
Suban, deBoer, Clarke, Hill, C Pearce

25 - 27
Ibbotson, Mayne
Ballentyne, Barlow, Spurr, Silvagni
Dawson, Griffan, Mzungu, D Pearce

28-29
Mundy, Bradley, Duffield, Sylvia
Crowley, Johnson

Older states men 30+
Sandilands
McPharlin, Pavlich

Rookie
FA

What this highlights is that in the next 3 years we are going to start to loose lots of our real talent. Aside from the usual suspects Pav, McPharlin and Sandi the group behind in Mundy, Duffield, Crowley and Johnson is also a concern from a recruitment and replacement pot of view. I guess I can see where bond's concern may be coming from.

To my mind this only makes the Sylvia FA less attractive.

 

[Outshined]

What this highlights is that we need to win a premiership by next year or 2015 at the latest, with some of our veterans still playing.

That's why we've recruited Sylvia. Pretty simple really.

 

[Kunna17]

I notice that some people are mentioning a desire by Bond to distribute players evenly with regards to age. In this case I have decided to look at who belongs in which age group as per the 2014 season.

19-21
Simpson, Smith, Moller
Sheridan, Crozier, Duffy, Neale, Taberner
Michie, Mellington, Sutcliffe, Menagola

22-23 (nobody 24)
Morabito, Fyfe, Walters, Hannath
Suban, deBoer, Clarke, Hill, C Pearce

25 - 27
Ibbotson, Mayne
Ballentyne, Barlow, Spurr, Silvagni
Dawson, Griffan, Mzungu, D Pearce

28-29
Mundy, Bradley, Duffield, Sylvia
Crowley, Johnson

Older states men 30+
Sandilands
McPharlin, Pavlich

Rookie
FA

What this highlights is that in the next 3 years we are going to start to loose lots of our real talent. Aside from the usual suspects Pav, McPharlin and Sandi the group behind in Mundy, Duffield, Crowley and Johnson is also a concern from a recruitment and replacement pot of view. I guess I can see where bond's concern may be coming from.

To my mind this only makes the Sylvia FA less attractive.

what i noticed was that the spread was even.
Of course the better players are going to be older, but the thing is as the younger blokes get older they should reach around the same heights as the older blokes, particularyly - Crozier, Fyfe, Walters and Neale.

Johnson the most concering from 28-29 but has plenty years left, and when Mundy starts to slow there is a chance he will go forward and strengthen our KPP worries.

The Sylvia get looks good to me because otherwise 28-29 does not have many players and ultimately experience could have cost us the final.

Still Drafting younger blokes, all we lose is part of the salary cap, which shouldn't really be a problem seeming as we should have a fair bit of money floating around.

 

[Malc]

I notice that some people are mentioning a desire by Bond to distribute players evenly with regards to age. In this case I have decided to look at who belongs in which age group as per the 2014 season.

19-21
Simpson, Smith, Moller
Sheridan, Crozier, Duffy, Neale, Taberner
Michie, Mellington, Sutcliffe, Menagola

22-23 (nobody 24)
Morabito, Fyfe, Walters, Hannath
Suban, deBoer, Clarke, Hill, C Pearce

25 - 27
Ibbotson, Mayne
Ballentyne, Barlow, Spurr, Silvagni
Dawson, Griffan, Mzungu, D Pearce

28-29
Mundy, Bradley, Duffield, Sylvia
Crowley, Johnson

Older states men 30+
Sandilands
McPharlin, Pavlich

Rookie
FA

What this highlights is that in the next 3 years we are going to start to loose lots of our real talent. Aside from the usual suspects Pav, McPharlin and Sandi the group behind in Mundy, Duffield, Crowley and Johnson is also a concern from a recruitment and replacement pot of view. I guess I can see where bond's concern may be coming from.

To my mind this only makes the Sylvia FA less attractive.

I think that is a really good looking spread to be honest??

Firstly to say all the real talent sits in the 28-29 and above is a bit unfair given by that age I would hope a few of the younger bracket players are considered in the same league as Johnno/Mundy etc.

Secondly, the balance in a few weeks time will be weighted more to the youth than it appears at the moment once you add our 5-6 or so draft/rookie draft picks.

Assuming ALL of the 28-29+ play every week injury free (which is unlikely), then only 9 out of 22 still sit in that experienced bracket.

I don't subscribe to your theory that our current spread of players makes any argument for not picking up a quality player like Sylvia without compromising our draft selections in any way...

 

[manpurple]

I think that is a really good looking spread to be honest??

Firstly to say all the real talent sits in the 28-29 and above is a bit unfair given by that age I would hope a few of the younger bracket players are considered in the same league as Johnno/Mundy etc.

Secondly, the balance in a few weeks time will be weighted more to the youth than it appears at the moment once you add our 5-6 or so draft/rookie draft picks.

Assuming ALL of the 28-29+ play every week injury free (which is unlikely), then only 9 out of 22 still sit in that experienced bracket.

I don't subscribe to your theory that our current spread of players makes any argument for not picking up a quality player like Sylvia without compromising our draft selections in any way...

I am not concerned by the spread I was just suprised how many of our quality players are so close to retirement. This highlights that the recruitment people have to continue to produce quality recruits. As such we haven't found a good young backman and unless we re-rookie someone we are going to be bare there in the not to distant future.

I didn't want to talk about the pros and cons of Sylvia here but my doubts are that he is not particularly tall and so does not fit the KPF role. So as some have suggested his best option is as a mid rotating into the forward line. In this space we have so much youth coming through i am concerned that genuine gems like Crozier will not get a game and loose heart so going back to Vic. In my mind the shear number of promising youth coming up means that one will, with another pre season, have the tank and ability to make this position their own.
Additionally give the number of our de listings I dont see us taking more than 1 player as FA or Trade. This means no White, J-Pod or insert-your-favorate-KPF-option-here. This is a real disappointment as I viewed this as a much greater weakness than an chunky mid who can play forwardish. No i am not convinced about this because of who it keeps out.

 

[Leatherpoizoned]

They key in my mind is to maintain a balanced aged bracket always. This allows for a production line of sorts, to worry about the drop off of our 27+ players is to underestimate the development of our under 25's. I would hope by the time Hill and Fyfe are 27/28 they will have a bunch of young talented teammates below them, as Mundy and Johnson do now. The success of Hawthorn and Geelong in regenerating their lists (and Sydney to a degree) is the ability to continually have balanced lists, that is young players, up and coming talent, established stars and veterans. Sylvia costs nothing and will simply displace a less talented established player ie. Deboer, C.Pearce etc As long as we continue to bring quality young players in through the draft Sylvia's recruitment is easily justifiable.

 

[Belnakor]

22-23 (nobody 24)
Morabito, Fyfe, Walters, Hannath
Suban, deBoer, Clarke, Hill, C Pearce

thats a pretty good spread just in that age range when you have 2 genuine guns and a couple of very good players.

 

[Kunna17]

thats a pretty good spread just in that age range when you have 2 genuine guns and a couple of very good players.

3 guns.
Walters surely classified a gun.

 

[PurpleWizard]

Loving the amount of key position players under 26

 

[manpurple]

thats a pretty good spread just in that age range when you have 2 genuine guns and a couple of very good players.

Yeah I love that age group as I rate almost everyone there to become something. They all have so much time to become great and it really reminds people that Hill is not that old and still on the up. Really a bumper group for us 5-6 quality players over 2 years, way above the AFL average.

The younger group to my mind will see some thinning over time and I rate only about 4-5 who will be quality over the duration. This is in line with the industry norm of about 1.6 players per team per year making it as a lock in the "starting 22".

The other surprise is in the 25-27 group, the majority of the players are imported or recent mature age recruits and not drafted. It shows that for a period of time we either couldn't train them or couldn't find them. To my mind this group tells us how well Bondy and Llyod have done for us.

 

[couldhavebeen]

I think your all under estimating the strength of the 19 \21 year age group and the push factor they represent to the club .

Neil and Sutcliffe have shown already that they are is best 22 and Sheridan isn't far behind .
Michie and Simpson are knocking on the door , Tabbener and Crozier are already good support staff .
Smith will develop over next year or 2 into a KPD.

Moller has already improved beyond what most posters thought and as big guys need the time to get the body right 3 years and there's our no1 ruckman.

Duffy will need to lift and this next preseason will give a pretty good idea where he is at .
Mellington has stood still this year and IMO will have to improve out of sight to keep his spot in the squad .

Menangola has a BIG ? over his head and the coaches must have a better idea than the posters \supporters because I like everyone else thought he was gone for all money .

Please Note of all the 22\23 players Morra is the only ? and we all love him and hope that the guy gets a chance to shine

 

[Kunna17]

I think your all under estimating the strength of the 19 \21 year age group and the push factor they represent to the club .

Neil and Sutcliffe have shown already that they are is best 22 and Sheridan isn't far behind .
Michie and Simpson are knocking on the door , Tabbener and Crozier are already good support staff .
Smith will develop over next year or 2 into a KPD.

Moller has already improved beyond what most posters thought and as big guys need the time to get the body right 3 years and there's our no1 ruckman.

Duffy will need to lift and this next preseason will give a pretty good idea where he is at .
Mellington has stood still this year and IMO will have to improve out of sight to keep his spot in the squad .

Menangola has a BIG ? over his head and the coaches must have a better idea than the posters \supporters because I like everyone else thought he was gone for all money .

Please Note of all the 22\23 players Morra is the only ? and we all love him and hope that the guy gets a chance to shine

Mora can't be the only question mark when Menagola has a big one.
I dont think mora will be cut unless he is injured again, even if only 3/4 good games. Will definately improve and a waste to drop him if stays fit.

Moller a gun, Crozier the best of them (Apart from MORA)

I think the reason we gave Menagola another yr is schloithe had 2 years to say "I'm best 22 or there abouts" and didnt even get an upgrade.
Menagola after his first year was pushing the 22 (Look at our pre-season best 22 for this year - many had him in there side)
So we should see him really looking at a game this year or being really really good in the WAFL and hopefully getting a game.

ALSO does freo have any control over Peel
ie) Play Tabener on the ball - (If we were that re*arded) would they do it??

if they do: Very interesting to see who plays ressies!!

 

[clogged]

Aside from the 30+ bracket all of those on the cusp of retirement at 28-29 are replaceable. And the nature of lists are that a large number of your good players will be closer to retirement than not if you're competing deep in finals.

 

[Kunna17]

Aside from the 30+ bracket all of those on the cusp of retirement at 28-29 are replaceable. And the nature of lists are that a large number of your good players will be closer to retirement than not if you're competing deep in finals.

Johnson hard to replace, Ibbo took a step i guess this year, but not quite tall enough.

 

[clogged]

Johnson's a great player, wouldn't call him irreplaceable.

The team is going to transition next year anyway. Throw in Sylvia, add an extra year to the GF side, going to be one very old side next year if it remains the same. I would expect many of those in the 28+ bracket won't be in an expected 2014 GF best 22.

 

[Kunna17]

Johnson's a great player, wouldn't call him irreplaceable.

The team is going to transition next year anyway. Throw in Sylvia, add an extra year to the GF side, going to be one very old side next year if it remains the same. I would expect many of those in the 28+ bracket won't be in an expected 2014 GF best 22.

thing is, nobody on our list currently replaces him, whilst not irreplacable we need to find a replacement.

 

[clogged]

thing is, nobody on our list currently replaces him, whilst not irreplacable we need to find a replacement.

Arguable. Didn't play against Geelong.

 

[Kunna17]

Arguable. Didn't play against Geelong.

played against sydney and showed his value.
Structure changes he's not replaced.

 

[clogged]

played against sydney and showed his value.
Structure changes he's not replaced.

I reckon Lyon would find a way to replace him. I don't think he impacts the way in which Fremantle plays in the same way Pavlich does, without whom Fremantle probably would not have made the GF.

 

[WAnchor]

Loving the amount of key position players under 26

Funny when reflecting on our draft history. It seems that Ryan Murphy (#12) and Adam Campbell (#27) were taken ages ago, yet if either of them had been a success, they would be in the same bracket as Mundy (#19), Duffield (#9 rookie) and Johnson (pre season draft).

 

[Wee Jessies]

Interesting note that all of the 28-29 bracket less Crowley plus Dawson come from the 2003 draft. There isn't many left playing from that draft and we have six of them now on the books.

 

[manpurple]

I reckon Lyon would find a way to replace him. I don't think he impacts the way in which Fremantle plays in the same way Pavlich does, without whom Fremantle probably would not have made the GF.

I only partly agree with this. What it shows is how much we need people like Tabener and Smith to come good. Yes we all have known for a while that our KPP stocks are a bit short (pardon the pun). But I continue to be surprised at our hunger for midfielders (looking at you PearceD and Sylvia) when our tall stocks are on the verge of retiring.

 

[holy diver]

They older they are the wider they spread. Experience can sometimes beat youth though.

 

[basashi]

It tells me that to get the most out of Mundy now he needs to get a bit of mongrel into his game. I would like to see him play more of a domineering, nasty game.

Ironically, I think his size has meant he has never had to develop that part of his game.

 

[clogged]

I only partly agree with this. What it shows is how much we need people like Tabener and Smith to come good. Yes we all have known for a while that our KPP stocks are a bit short (pardon the pun). But I continue to be surprised at our hunger for midfielders (looking at you PearceD and Sylvia) when our tall stocks are on the verge of retiring.

Nothing wrong with getting Pearce and Sylvia. Getting one free agent doesn't stop you from getting another.