Strategy Aish at Half Back

[Buckley is my hero]

His natural position in my view is the wing. Brisbane played him this year on the half back line to improve his defensive side, but really all they did was stuff him up. That's one of the reasons he left Brisbane. He is skilful on both sides of the body and is a good kick, so why would you play him at half back. Our forward line needs help and he's capable of kicking one or two goals a game.

 

[legendstatus]

Reckon Pies planning to combat less interchange rotations next year by stacking a midfield?


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[sr36]

His natural position in my view is the wing. Brisbane played him this year on the half back line to improve his defensive side, but really all they did was stuff him up. That's one of the reasons he left Brisbane. He is skilful on both sides of the body and is a good kick, so why would you play him at half back. Our forward line needs help and he's capable of kicking one or two goals a game.

I see him as having more inside ability than everyone else sees. He will never be a bulldozer, but he has clean hands and excellent awareness in traffic.

 

[jackcass]

I was referring to the Langdon and Scharenberg one. Both those players are slow.

As for the highlighted, that one is fast I'll give that, but full of turnover merchants.

Also Aish did play in the backline in the SANFL grandfinal so he has experience there.

Yeah, sorry should have been clearer, those clusters are meant to reflect HBF - CHB - HBF.

It's the sum of the total in terms of the defense so I avoid obsessing about a negative of 1 individual. Be nice if we didn't have a salary cap or a draft and we could collect the best 22 players in every position... Sadly, that utopia is never going to happen so we will just have to get used to the team having a couple of players who aren't absolutely elite at every aspect of the game.

And I don't see Langdon as slow. What were his draft 20m sprint times? Where does that rank him?

 

[jackcass]

I see him as having more inside ability than everyone else sees. He will never be a bulldozer, but he has clean hands and excellent awareness in traffic.

Yeah, a bit like Broomy in that respect.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Give him a run in the ruck..

God dammit, this explains everything! You're secretly Robert Walls!

 

[MeisterBot]

Yeah, a bit like Broomy in that respect.

Or Sidebottom.

 

[babyJonBourgois]

Langdon definitely isn't slow. He's got an extra gear that he goes to when he needs to.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Why don't we play one of those guys as a third tall tall instead of having the slowest half backs line in the competition?

The last final that the VFL team played in demonstrates pretty clearly why we shouldn't both with Scharenberg as third tall imo.

 

[jjsmitty8]

Pricey97 nailed it; Treloar and Aish are going to improve our efficiency going inside 50. With Moore, Fas and Elliott up forward along with Howe now we have some accurate goal kickers and the days of us kicking 11.23 each week must become a thing of the past.

I've said this once before, I'll say it again. Collingwood being notoriously inaccurate in front of goal is a myth. We were the third most accurate team [52%] in the competition this year only behind Hawthorn at [55.9%] and Port Adelaide [53%]. I agree Aish and Treloar will improve our efficiency going inside 50, if we get enough opportunity, we're capable of kicking a winning score.

 

[neilk]

I'm not getting this obsession with turning our mids like Varcoe, Aish and Pendles into HBFer types when we already have Langdon, Sinclair, Oxley, Ramsay, Scharenberg, Marsh, Maynard, Toovey, Goldsack and Goodyear fighting for the 4x non-KPD spots in our defense. I appreciate that certain posters have their own peccadilloes in terms of player selections but clearly the coaches and selectors rate them all otherwise they'd have been delisted or traded.

A word we don't see nearly often enough. Congratulations on your use of this wonderful noun.

 

[Collingwood42]

Yeah, I did think about Aish in defence as the Bears played him there at times, but as other have said, his skills are better utilised in the midfield.

My ideal backline is:

Williams Brown Marsh
Scharenberg Reid Langdon

With Ramsay, Oxley, Maynard, Sinclair, Goldsack and Toovey as backups.

Players like Aish, Varcoe and Sidebottom, or even Pendlebury can push back if we get an injury in defence, but i'd stack our bench with 3 midfielders plus Witts.

FB: Willams Brown Marsh
HB: Berg Reid Langdon
C: Crisp Treloar Sidebottom
R: Grundy Pendles Adams
HF: Howe Cloke Swan
FF: Fasolo Moore Elliott

B: Aish Varcoe DeGoey Witts

 

[Sherrinator]

If you play him at half back he will mope around for 2 years then request a trade to Adelaide where he will be played as rover.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Langdon definitely isn't slow. He's got an extra gear that he goes to when he needs to.

This is actually so true. Wish he would use it more, but i cant fault his game much, he had a great season.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Yeah, I did think about Aish in defence as the Bears played him there at times, but as other have said, his skills are better utilised in the midfield.

My ideal backline is:

Williams Brown Marsh
Scharenberg Reid Langdon

With Ramsay, Oxley, Maynard, Sinclair, Goldsack and Toovey as backups.

Players like Aish, Varcoe and Sidebottom, or even Pendlebury can push back if we get an injury in defence, but i'd stack our bench with 3 midfielders plus Witts.

FB: Willams Brown Marsh
HB: Berg Reid Langdon
C: Crisp Treloar Sidebottom
R: Grundy Pendles Adams
HF: Howe Cloke Swan
FF: Fasolo Moore Elliott

B: Aish Varcoe DeGoey Witts

Your ideal backline is also mine, it looks good on paper.

 

[Shaneprice97]

If you play him at half back he will mope around for 2 years then request a trade to Adelaide where he will be played as rover.

Dont worry mate, he signed a 3 year deal, so Aisho going nowhere

 

[partypie]

He hasn't got a defensive bone in his body from the looks of things - let's just allow him to be the outside midfielder with good disposal skills that he is and leave it at that...

 

[Lockyer24]

Pump games into Shaz and Braynard so they are our key ball users from D50. Aisho we want forward of centre.
That's not to say we can't float Aisho down back.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Our rotation of mids is looking very strong now.

It's the way the game has gone. 12-14 mids following the ball once it's bounced maybe more.

 

[wicksy]

If you play him at half back he will mope around for 2 years then request a trade to Adelaide where he will be played as rover.

I think you'll find he moped around because he played for a shit team, in a shit town, in front of shit supporters, for a shit coach, with a shit captain.

 

[Sherrinator]

I think you'll find he moped around because he played for a shit team, in a shit town, in front of shit supporters, for a shit coach, with a shit captain.

Maybe, but he certainly does not want to just 'make up the numbers' as a back flank.

 

[Sherrinator]

Dont worry mate, he signed a 3 year deal, so Aisho going nowhere

It's true, he does fulfil contract periods.

 

[motr]

He hasn't got a defensive bone in his body from the looks of things - let's just allow him to be the outside midfielder with good disposal skills that he is and leave it at that...

Don't worry he can tackle.

 

[partypie]

Don't worry he can tackle.

That's not what I'm talking about - if tackling was all you needed as a defender then anyone could do it. He doesn't have it in him to shut down an opposition player for an entire game (or I suspect even an entire quarter), but that's not really a slight against him as he's got the skills and decision making to be more of an attacking outside midfielder anyway which is what we need.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I think you'll find he moped around because he played for a shit team, in a shit town, in front of shit supporters, for a shit coach, with a shit captain.

You might need to make your point a bit clearer.