Alavi speaks

[jenny61_99]

dank doesn't do charity, who was paying him? I don't know if that's been established.

Medicare?

 

[blue harvest]

- if you have any evidence from anyone, anywhere, that a) injections were discussed (yet alone used) b) there were half a dozen players involved c) thymodulin was mentioned and d) anything - even a cream - was actually bought, than by all means bring it forward.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/melbourne-fc-dank.1018854/

 

[Leather Poisoning]

As much as people want the truth it's never going to happen.

Hirdy will tell us. He's very keen for the truth to come out.

 

[Chameleon75]

Medicare?

Destinct possibility given recent revelations

 

[blackshadow]

Hirdy will tell us. He's very keen for the truth to come out.

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[jenny61_99]

TB4 is Thymosin.

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Also note, the only thymosin Dank sells on his peptide on line clinic is listed as "thymosin". Press it and it takes you to "Thymosin Beta 4". It's the ONLY thymosin his clinic deals with.

 

[jenny61_99]

Will have to come into consideration don't you think?

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/australian-codes-warned-on-wada-breakaway-20140619-zsfd7.html

 

[The Dodger]

Mr Alavi said the lab he regularly used quoted an exorbitant price to test the peptides and he had difficulty finding another lab to analyse the batch. When Mr Dank offered to take the peptides to Mimotopes, a lab in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs he had previously used, Mr Alavi agreed.

If you look at this Mimotopes lab website they claim to be an 'industry leader in the peptide and discovery chemistry sector'
http://www.mimotopes.com/about.asp?pid=30
Sounds like a big set up they have at Clayton, yet Alavi claims to have had difficulty finding a lab to do the analysis? Surely he already knew about this mob, they specialise in peptides ffs.

As a side note, you can get a 100g batch of TB4 made up for a cool US$84,0000! No wonder Charter got it from China.
http://www.mimotopes.com/product.asp?pid=26600&cid=20&q=thymosin&p=1

Personal fav is that his "usual" upped the price apparently. Must have reviewed their pricing since the last time he used them and were all of a sudden way over what he is willing to pay...hmmm makes sense.

 

[Chameleon75]

Medicare?

theres more too this story that hasn't come to the forefront as of yet I feel

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-18/text-messages-reveal-danks-demons-involvement/4637954

Dank to Bates:
"Ok. I have a way to put the high performance unit as a R&D tax break. That would mean a fair chunk of money going back to the club. I was about to employ it at Essendon but held off. We will talk more about it Tuesday night."

Bates to Dank:
"Sounds good."

 

[Argy]

Simple question for Alavi......why did you sign a document stating that you:
a) had prepared Thymodulin; and
b) everything you had prepared complied with the WADA code
if you were uncertain of what you were actually doing/dealing with?

Are you simply incompetant? If so, can we please have guarantees that you will never practice in this industry again?

Also, are you familiar with the concept of the calendar and our current dating system?

Repeated for emphasis.

 

[evo]

Large Fries is full of it.

I would like to see Baker and McKenzie interview this Alavi hommie.

 

[go_nodders]

Did anyone hear Chip Le Grand on Fox Sports News?
The story he was peddling sounded so ridiculous I can't believe he believes it!
Sort of went like this - Charter sourced the Thymosin (Beta 4) but the box was only labelled Thymosin, Alvi made it up and wanted to get it tested because you can never trust what gets sent from China!! Meaning there is a doubt that they actually sent Thymosin Beta 4 and not, let's say, licorice....
Those bloody dodgey Chinese - it's now their fault!!

 

[PieBeast]

The concoction of lies, half-truths and spin aside surprised no one pointed out Chip felt the need to tell us Alavi doesn't barrack for Essendon, in an attempt to make this gibberish sound more credible no doubt

 

[Chameleon75]

Large Fries small fry is full of it.

I would like to see Baker and McKenzie interview this Alavi hommie.

 

[Thai Hawk]

Did anyone hear Chip Le Grand on Fox Sports News?
The story he was peddling sounded so ridiculous I can't believe he believes it!
Sort of went like this - Charter sourced the Thymosin (Beta 4) but the box was only labelled Thymosin, Alvi made it up and wanted to get it tested because you can never trust what gets sent from China!! Meaning there is a doubt that they actually sent Thymosin Beta 4 and not, let's say, licorice....
Those bloody dodgey Chinese - it's now their fault!!

The problem with this pathetic attempt at defence by the druggie spin team is that intent is all that is needed. This is in fact an admission that there was an intent to cheat, but a claim they could not even manage to do that properly.

To think that the Hirdists claim ASADA is incompetent

 

[matthew_s]

Asada need to make Dank talk.

I find it wrong that they went a head and issued sc notices when the main bloody bloke was interviewed.

What do you expect ASADA to do? Waterboard him?

 

[HiReception]

Just to be clear, suppose the Federal Court does rule that any evidence gathered by the joint investigation cannot be used. If ASADA decide to start a new investigation, can they not simply "regather" that evidence? As in, re-interview whoever they spoke to, demand the documents required a second time, etc?

 

[linuscambridge]

There were a couple of texts exchanged. He was looking for a job, and obviously out to impress with how much he knew.

This is bang on. After his interview the club had nothing to do with him. The club doctor took it upon himself to take Danks advice and subsequently, unlike anybody in the Bombers football department, he took responsibility for his stupidity and immediately resigned his position.

 

[Pie eyed]

Yes.

That article makes it even more clear that the players are gone for TB-4 use to anybody who reads it hoping to God their last 12 months of wishful thinking, expressed as pseudo-expert opinion, has a snowballs chance in hell of surviving the reality.

Edited for clarity and just cause.

 

[johnnypanther]

Asada need to make Dank talk.

I find it wrong that they went a head and issued sc notices when the main bloody bloke was interviewed.

rofl how about Essendon talk the truth...

why doesn't your cheating club spend their time sticking together all the shredded documents instead?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Takes one to know one.
I know the family pretty well. They would be more intellegent than what you are at the best of times.
In fact the whole legrand family love to really get in there with their research.
Don't knock people because they know more about the issue at hand than what you do. Maybe sit down and listen and learn instead of being a complete know it all.

Yeah Charter's made a living peddling fake peptides from China. Maybe the 'legal' drugs were actually illegal. Maybe an Essendon player will get eaten by his own a-hole and the club will go to hell.

 

[johnnypanther]

The chemist doesn't know what he dispensed.
Dank has no idea what he bought ..... but apparently it was tested in full.
Essendon have no idea what Dank injected into the player.
The players have no idea what was injected into them.
The club has no record of what the players were injected with ... even though it was approved by Hird and fully tested.
The AFL ... well the AFL just has no idea. When do they ever?

How is it possible for so many incompetent nitwits to come together at the one time? Are they really trying to get us to believe this utensil and bull story?

Each day, the crap that comes out in relation to this saga is more and more unbelievable, and I just wish everyone would just STFU. The football public are being treated like idiots asking us to believe some of the crap that's floating around.

and that is one more reason why Essendon, Hird etc should have the book thrown at them now
and even the players .....

 

[Scotland]

Mr Alavi said if that happened, it was impossible to know whether the players were given Thymosin Beta 4, a substance that is banned, Thymosin Alpha 1, a substance that is permitted, the similarly permitted Thymomodulin, or something else altogether.

Re-quoted for my own amusement.

How do/will the conversations between EFC and ASADA actually go?

'So, have you administered TB4?'
'We only used the non-prohibited stuff, honest'
'So you're certain you did not administer TB4?'
'Yeah'
'Do you have a record of what was administered?'
'Well no, not as such - ask the pharmacist'
'So the pharmacist who made the stuff for you doesn't actually know what he made, but you're certain it wasn't TB4?'
'Yeah'

I reckon toddlers could poke holes in the logic of EFC.

 

[stfan]

Well one thing I do know is that I am sure as hell glad that Alavi is not my chemist!!

I mean seriously, how could any chemist claim to not know what he has made!! Absolute farce.

The EFC has a knack of engaging shady operators.

 

[Gavstar]

I think anyone who knows anything at all about biochemistry/amino acid synthesis knows that Alavi's explanation is implausible.

Chip obviously has no idea of the questions he should have asked.

Fundamentally did he prepare dilute and prepare as per TB4?

What was the diluent? What was the pH? Did he add a stabilser (protein etc)

What information did he use to prepare the doses?

What was the purity of the supplied peptide?

Its concentration?

It's mass spec profile?

Was it synthesized or purified from culture (likely the former given safety concerns with latter)

You know basic information so they can set a sales price.

(if there is a batch number even the Chinese would keep such records).

Now why did ASADA make trip to China.