News Alberton Oval Redevelopment

[robbo1981]

Would have needed to buy some of the resident's properties and got Council to give us the street as well, to acquire the required area to fit a full oval in.

Yeah thought so stupid post play on lol.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

 

[bomberclifford]

Nice drone fly through. Broke a whole heap of WHS rules but that's of no consequence.

 

[WillemDaDrew]

Is that Ken’s desk 36 seconds in?

 

[Onward To Victory]

This paragraph from Richo's recent CEO message is intriguing:
"We’re even starting to think what’s next as we develop Alberton Oval into a world-class sports and community precinct for the Port Adelaide Football Club, just as Mr Formby imagined back in 1880 when he donated the land for the express use of the Port Adelaide Football Club in the future."

I wonder if this future planning might be about turning the bowls club into an additional grandstand?

With the capacity crowds we've been getting for AFLW matches, this might become necessary to boost attendance capacity.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This paragraph from Richo's recent CEO message is intriguing:
"We’re even starting to think what’s next as we develop Alberton Oval into a world-class sports and community precinct for the Port Adelaide Football Club, just as Mr Formby imagined back in 1880 when he donated the land for the express use of the Port Adelaide Football Club in the future."

I wonder if this future planning might be about turning the bowls club into an additional grandstand?

With the capacity crowds we've been getting for AFLW matches, this might become necessary to boost attendance capacity.

KT wanted to turn the bowling club area into the PA Aboriginal Centre of Excellence with an admin building and an accommodation building to house up to 50 students, on the the current space and all the way around to behind the southern goals.

Given that 2018 concept and the 2018 high performance building concept were both scrapped for the "Big Shed" and soccer pitch, I suspect they have some sort of plans, for the bowling club area.

 

[Festerz]

KT wanted to turn the bowling club area into the PA Aboriginal Centre of Excellence with an admin building and an accommodation building

WOW! Glad it got ditched. Would have been an absolute waste of money IMHO.

I get that KT and others on the PAFC Board wanted to do all they can to build community connections, especially with the Indigenous community. And they have excelled in doing that under Pauly V and his community programs work that has gained nation-wide support and commendation.

But FFS why would you shovel our own club's money and assets into a start alone high-risk venture instead of building closer ties with the community and public assets that are already in place and (most importantly) already have the funding and assets in place?

The Tauondi College at Grand Junction Road Port Adelaide is an independent college governed by the Aboriginal Community delivering accredited Vocational Education and Training programs to Indigenous people in the Port area since 1973. And it receives substantial State and Federal Government support to do that.

WTF would you even think twice about investing club money into setting up a potential competitor to a college that already has history, connections and (more importantly) existing infrastructure to deliver the sort of programs our footy club might be interested in as an add-on.

And don't get me started on the way the term 'centre of excellence' is used to grift taxpayers' money for things that are anything but 'excellent'.

Focus on what we as a footy club are good at (footy), and employ a few credentialed professionals who are capable of leveraging off public funding and support for existing utilised or under funded community assets to build that community focus is what we should be doing.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

WOW! Glad it got ditched. Would have been an absolute waste of money IMHO.

I get that KT and others on the PAFC Board wanted to do all they can to build community connections, especially with the Indigenous community. And they have excelled in doing that under Pauly V and his community programs work that has gained nation-wide support and commendation.

But FFS why would you shovel our own club's money and assets into a start alone high-risk venture instead of building closer ties with the community and public assets that are already in place and (most importantly) already have the funding and assets in place?

The Tauondi College at Grand Junction Road Port Adelaide is an independent college governed by the Aboriginal Community delivering accredited Vocational Education and Training programs to Indigenous people in the Port area since 1973. And it receives substantial State and Federal Government support to do that.

WTF would you even think twice about investing club money into setting up a potential competitor to a college that already has history, connections and (more importantly) existing infrastructure to deliver the sort of programs our footy club might be interested in as an add-on.

And don't get me started on the way the term 'centre of excellence' is used to grift taxpayers' money for things that are anything but 'excellent'.

Focus on what we as a footy club are good at (footy), and employ a few credentialed professionals who are capable of leveraging off public funding and support for existing utilised or under funded community assets to build that community focus is what we should be doing.

The money was supposed to come from China. Lockhart Road can fill you in. Its discussed in the first 10 pages or so of this thread which started in March 2018 with the first version.

 

[Lockhart Road]

WOW! Glad it got ditched. Would have been an absolute waste of money IMHO.

I get that KT and others on the PAFC Board wanted to do all they can to build community connections, especially with the Indigenous community. And they have excelled in doing that under Pauly V and his community programs work that has gained nation-wide support and commendation.

But FFS why would you shovel our own club's money and assets into a start alone high-risk venture instead of building closer ties with the community and public assets that are already in place and (most importantly) already have the funding and assets in place?

The Tauondi College at Grand Junction Road Port Adelaide is an independent college governed by the Aboriginal Community delivering accredited Vocational Education and Training programs to Indigenous people in the Port area since 1973. And it receives substantial State and Federal Government support to do that.

WTF would you even think twice about investing club money into setting up a potential competitor to a college that already has history, connections and (more importantly) existing infrastructure to deliver the sort of programs our footy club might be interested in as an add-on.

And don't get me started on the way the term 'centre of excellence' is used to grift taxpayers' money for things that are anything but 'excellent'.

Focus on what we as a footy club are good at (footy), and employ a few credentialed professionals who are capable of leveraging off public funding and support for existing utilised or under funded community assets to build that community focus is what we should be doing.

The money was supposed to come from China. Lockhart Road can fill you in. Its diacussed in the first 10 pages or so of this thread which started in March 2018 with the first version.

Statute of limitations having expired, or being right on the cusp of expiring … yes, the Aboriginal Centre of Excellence, with hostel facilities for approx 30 students from distant parts, was Community Keith’s pet legacy project within the overall original redevelopment plan … and, yes, the bulk of the funding at the time this thread was opened had a couple of weeks earlier been orally pledged by Beijing. Then geopolitics got in the way. Andrew Hunter wrote about it in his book.

Needs Gravy had some prior intelligence on the original blueprint, obtained in unusual circumstances … which, if he chooses to reveal, would make quite interesting reading.

 

[Coobk001]

Bit sad seeing that old outer wing gone, that I spent every Saturday sitting on in the 80s and 90s. Excited to see the result, but can't help but miss those old days.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Statute of limitations having expired, or being right on the cusp of expiring … yes, the Aboriginal Centre of Excellence, with hostel facilities for approx 30 students from distant parts, was Community Keith’s pet legacy project within the overall original redevelopment plan … and, yes, the bulk of the funding at the time this thread was opened had a couple of weeks earlier been orally pledged by Beijing. Then geopolitics got in the way. Andrew Hunter wrote about it in his book.

Needs Gravy had some prior intelligence on the original blueprint, obtained in unusual circumstances … which, if he chooses to reveal, would make quite interesting reading.

You quoted Andrew from his book, pages 72 and 73, and pages 109 and 110 and added a bit more one year ago tomorrow in this thread and gave a reference to your, in greater depth coverage and more broadly in part 4 of your ‘1971 Whitlam / China’ thread, at the following post on page 39

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[RossFC]

Normally the A grade players when watching the Maggies are up on the balcony of Power HQ, wonder where they will all watch the games from now.

 

[WillemDaDrew]

Normally the A grade players when watching the Maggies are up on the balcony of Power HQ, wonder where they will all watch the games from now.

Perhaps setup a makeshift marquee with a few Ikea chairs on the bowling green until construction is complete

 

[TazD]

Perhaps setup a makeshift marquee with a few Ikea chairs on the bowling green until construction is complete
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They can sit in the Daddy Donuts Memorial Dugout

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

Perhaps setup a makeshift marquee with a few Ikea chairs on the bowling green until construction is complete
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Hinkley’s ‘mission completed’ picture.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Wasn’t there a heap of Government money coming in if we got the indigenous academy up and running? An ongoing stream of funds?

 

[Portwon]

I am sure the players will have an area seperate from the great unwashed. Maybe a roped off area in a shed...

Sort of related and maybe Ross or someone else would know. If we have just started that building work why was the area around the balcony of the AS building fenced off all year with security hurrying you along if you stopped anywhere near it while walking to the outer wing?

 

[Festerz]

I am sure the players will have an area seperate from the great unwashed. Maybe a roped off area in a shed...

Sort of related and maybe Ross or someone else would know. If we have just started that building work why was the area around the balcony of the AS building fenced off all year with security hurrying you along if you stopped anywhere near it while walking to the outer wing?

Wasn't that due to covid protocols - required to keep the public away from the ground floor entrance/walkway to the oval that was used by AFL list players and support staff?

 

[Portwon]

Possibly Fez. Thanks for the response.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Wasn’t there a heap of Government money coming in if we got the indigenous academy up and running? An ongoing stream of funds?

No

 

[tribey]

No

Lol, jeepers

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Lol, jeepers

Why? The feds gave the club $4mil and the balance - $14m was supposed to come from State Grid, the Chinese state owned corporation.

The accommodation part was to charge the 50 students a rent fee to cover the operational costs. The students would have been receiving Abstudy and working part time or if they were doing apprenticeships being paid, and anyway they would have had to pay a rent fee to a landlord. It was supposed to integrate with the community education stuff we did in the bush communities. Finish year 12, come to Adelaide to study or do vocational training and have accommodation in a place with others in a similar situation to you.

If the club were smart they would have built a commercial kitchen in either the accommodation building or admin building and some of the kids work in it and that revenue stream also help with operational costs.

Instead of people rushing out of the ground to buy Grandpa D'souza's home made pies and pasties for $3 at all Magpies games, get the kids and the D'souzas to make the pies and pasties in the commercial kitchen and sell them inside the oval. And prepare other stuff for game day and non game day, especially if a few students were doing cooking studies.

It all made sense if State Grid stumped up. Once they didn't, it was pie in the sky stuff.

 

[JimmyBC]

It was a ridiculous idea anyway.

 

[Festerz]

Grandpa D'souza's home made pies and pasties for $3

You've got me yearning for a Grandpa D'souza pie now. And at $3 a pop I'd buy half a dozen!

 

[Festerz]

You quoted Andrew from his book, pages 72 and 73, and pages 109 and 110 and added a bit more one year ago tomorrow in this thread and gave a reference to your, in greater depth coverage and more broadly in part 4 of your ‘1971 Whitlam / China’ thread, at the following post on page 39

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Your post reminded me that I actually bought Hunter's book last year - after reading Lockhart Road China posts - and had not got past chapter 1 after other things intervened. Fished it out from the Festy Bookcase just now to read it properly.