Society/Culture Alex Pearce supports Palestine/promotes terrorism depending who you ask

[Episode IV]

Interestingly... Anyone who saw Alex Pearce's post wouldn't have had any idea that the source of it may or may not have more extreme views and therefore wouldn't haven't interacted with it.

So he should be expected to put disclaimers on everything he posts but because you hadn't seen something then those views aren't mainstream?

Just imagine how all of this could have been avoided if, rather than reposting something that sounded good at the time, Pearce had simply typed in a few words himself to represent his own views?

The Caroline Wilsons of the world wouldn't have anything to talk about. Or anyone else, for that matter.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Just imagine how all of this could have been avoided if, rather than reposting something that sounded good at the time, Pearce had simply typed in a few words himself to represent his own views?

The Caroline Wilsons of the world wouldn't have anything to talk about. Or anyone else, for that matter.

You really believe that? In this day and age "journalists" make a living out of drama. The first thing someone like Caro would have done is gone onto Pearce's Instagram, checked out who he followed, saw Kneecap, and inferred the same thing anyway.

It would have made scant difference.

 

[ElectricG]

You really believe that? In this day and age "journalists" make a living out of drama. The first thing someone like Caro would have done is gone onto Pearce's Instagram, checked out who he followed, saw Kneecap, and inferred the same thing anyway.

It would have made scant difference.

Hypothetical situation: you see something on Instagram you agree with, maybe it’s something harmless but agreeable to right wingers like “support Australian businesses by buying Australian products”. Your friends message you saying “do you know who you’re reposting?” You look at the original author and see it’s one of those Neo Nazis in vic who like to LARP as SS soldiers in the Grampians.

Do you:
A) take down the post and acknowledge the error: or
B) leave it up because there’s nothing wrong with the message?

Like seriously. You know what is moral and right in this situation.

 

[Episode IV]

You really believe that? In this day and age "journalists" make a living out of drama. The first thing someone like Caro would have done is gone onto Pearce's Instagram, checked out who he followed, saw Kneecap, and inferred the same thing anyway.

It would have made scant difference.

Have to admit, I hadn't actually done that before. Not a fan of the short form, as I've mentioned once or twice.
Still, having done it now...

Alex actually has some fine taste in music. Tash Sultana, Haim, Ocean Alley, Heilung... Seems there's a fair bit of intersection between bands I like, and bands Alex likes. Enjoys the hottest 100, it seems. So do I.

Waitaminnit. Heilung????

 

[Carn The Berries]

Have to admit, I hadn't actually done that before. Not a fan of the short form, as I've mentioned once or twice.
Still, having done it now...

Alex actually has some fine taste in music. Tash Sultana, Haim, Ocean Alley, Heilung... Seems there's a fair bit of intersection between bands I like, and bands Alex likes. Enjoys the hottest 100, it seems. So do I.

Waitaminnit. Heilung????

Sadly... Trawling people's Insta passes for hard hitting journalism these days.

 

[Purplrrr]

What if you post something that Netanyahu has posted? Could be innocuous and widely agreed with, like, free the hostages! Are we allowed to do that? Netanyahu has been charged with multiple crimes. Obviously the worst is the humanitarian crime of using starvation as a method of warfare… but not everyone who agrees with the principle of free the hostages agreees with ‘starve the civilians until hamas frees the hostages’ and quoting the first doesn’t imply the second. What Pearce quoted was fine. Kneecap gets people very upset but that particular quote should be widely agreed with.

 

[Episode IV]

Sadly... Trawling people's Insta passes for hard hitting journalism these days.

Oh, I know.

It's not just limited to journalists, though. Most are just faces in the gallery, emotionally expressing support for one "side" or another. Journalists, among others, are more like Witchsmellers.

Blackadder reference. "Edmund in the dock" on Google if you don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[ElectricG]

What if you post something that Netanyahu has posted? Could be innocuous and widely agreed with, like, free the hostages! Are we allowed to do that?

I think someone would be very unwise to do that. They shouldn’t do it. And I guarantee those here saying only the message itself matters would be flinging so much faeces in the direction of an AFL player did.

 

[Carn The Berries]

I think someone would be very unwise to do that. They shouldn’t do it. And I guarantee those here saying only the message itself matters would be flinging so much faeces in the direction of an AFL player did.

Do you think that would get Caro hot under the collar about that like she did Pearce?

I can almost guarantee there would be crickets in the AFL media if that happened.

 

[Episode IV]

Do you think that would get Caro hot under the collar about that like she did Pearce?

I can almost guarantee there would be crickets in the AFL media if that happened.

I don't think Netanyahu is well known for his defensive capabilities.

 

[ElectricG]

Do you think that would get Caro hot under the collar about that like she did Pearce?

I can almost guarantee there would be crickets in the AFL media if that happened.

It would be an absolute shit show. I’ve said it it before, but Caro teed off on Warren Tredrea for his (conservatively bent) social media activity.

 

[Harlott]

Oh no. He’s shared a post after Antoinette Lattouf’s court victory. Terrorist!

 

[Number37]

Oh no. He’s shared a post after Antoinette Latouff’s court victory. Terrorist!

Sharing a post supportive of Palestinians on social media is a worse crime than slaughtering tens of thousands of children...in the eyes of some.

 

[ElectricG]

The courts don’t wave terrorist flags around you god damn brain dead morons

 

[Harlott]

The courts don’t wave terrorist flags around you god damn brain dead morons

No but they found in favour of Lattouf against a pro IDF terrorised ABC

 

[ReturningHawk]

The courts don’t wave terrorist flags around you god damn brain dead morons

lol, won’t someone please mention those hezbollah flags at an Irish rap concert? That’s the real story!

 

[Johnny Bananas]

On the subject of Kneecap, they're not getting cancelled, but rising to newer heights.

Kneecap to perform in what could be one of Glastonbury’s most controversial sets

Music executives have condemned Irish rappers and Keir Starmer says appearance is not ‘appropriate’, but 100 musicians have signed letter in support

www.theguardian.com

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Apparently there's footage of a band member shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".

The member in question claimed it was a joke made as part of a character he was playing on stage, and the band put out a statement afterwards saying they don't support either organisation. Whether people choose to accept that is up to them, but that is the band's explanation.

‘We just want to stop people being murdered’: Kneecap on Palestine, protest and provocation

The Irish rap trio have recently faced censure and a court case, but have also had support for their pro-Palestine stance. Ahead of a Glastonbury appearance deemed ‘inappropriate’ by Keir Starmer, they argue the backlash against them is a deliberate distraction

www.theguardian.com

I wonder how those who label criticism of Israel’s actions to be “anti semitic” do when confronted with these brave people:

Simple, they just call them "self-hating Jews" or "traitors", the same way white supremacists treat anti-racist white people.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Won’t you give us one more rendition of the kneecap hand-wringing? I mean, they flew flags, for god’s sake!

What are the 50,000+ casualties, the hundreds of journalists and aid workers, and the international condemnation of Netanyahu next to the slogans chanted by kneecap? We can’t afford to stop talking about Northern Irish rap groups. Keep fighting the real fight EG.

 

[ElectricG]

Won’t you give us one more rendition of the kneecap hand-wringing? I mean, they flew flags, for god’s sake!

They show support for terrorists

 

[jannissary]

They show support for terrorists

i think that the IDF has terrorised lots of innocent civilians, that means you support terrorists. #concerning #ElectricGLovesTerrorists

 

[Harlott]

They show support for terrorists

The longer this drags out, the more idiotic you look.

 

[ElectricG]

The longer this drags out, the more idiotic you look.

Why? I mean your argument is basically that supporting terrorism is okay so long as there’s a war going on.

 

[Gethelred]

Why? I mean your argument is basically that supporting terrorism is okay so long as there’s a war going on.

The problem you've got is in the details.

Say, for the sake of argument, you were asked to define terrorism. You then did so, and tried to apply it to Hamas; because you provided the definition, they probably meet the criteria you chose. But then someone else comes along and applies your definition onto the state of Israel, or even America. Depending on that definition, both states would probably be just as guilty if not more so; especially America, whose defining trait has been their ability to have the influence of empire without the actuality of it in terms of regime change, torture, wealth accumulation and concentration, etc.

So, what you end up with from that is that both sides are guilty of terrorism, but one of those sides is facing extermination for it where the other upheld - by you - as more righteous or at the very least as less worthy than the other despite being in the process of actively exterminating the other.

This isn't a black and white situation, but that does not wash the blood of Palestine off the state of Israel's hands. Being too chickenshit to actually make the argument you want to make, sitting a few steps away from it and attacking an Irish rap group for their position is just BruceFromBalnarring-esque flavouring.

 

[Harlott]

Why? I mean your argument is basically that supporting terrorism is okay so long as there’s a war going on.

But you’re wanting him to apologise on what you think is supporting terrorism meanwhile starvation and sniping kids increases in Gaza. It’s just pathetic.