Society/Culture Alex Pearce supports Palestine/promotes terrorism depending who you ask

[Episode IV]

You are so desperate to find any excuse to deny Palestinians statehood.
So much do you lack self awareness that in the same sentence as you want to deny rights you pretend you are about rights.

It's typical behaviour from the supporters of Israel.

What sort of disgusting human would support a genocide because of some made up scenario?

Wow. Some of you lot are truly off the hook.
Are you familiar with the term "hypothetical question"' at all?

Your entire post is based on.. let me see... three incorrect assumptions and one accusation.
I've already spent too much time replying to it.

 

[Number37]

Wow. Some of you lot are truly off the hook.
Are you familiar with the term "hypothetical question"' at all?

Your entire post is based on.. let me see... three incorrect assumptions and one accusation.
I've already spent too much time replying to it.

Yeah sure Jan, you've only made one post and/or none of your other posts provide any context to your POV.

 

[Episode IV]

Yeah sure Jan, you've only made one post and/or none of your other posts provide any context to your POV.

I've only made one post and/or none of my other posts provide any context to my pov...

Well that makes sense.

 

[stax on the mull]

Gay rights in Palestine and women's rights in Iran seem to be a talking point when those countries are being bombed by Israel.

No Pride in Genocide

Why are Israel flunkies posting ISIS propaganda videos to defame Palestinians?

mouinrabbani.substack.com

 

[Carn The Berries]

Stuck between a rock and a hard place: you've got to promote the school and ensure funding for additional projects - a gym refurbishment, redoing the cracked pitch in the middle of the school oval, getting the portables replaced with actual classrooms - and there's only so much money to go around. You don't want that money going to the school down the road; you've not had serious funds to improve infrastructure in 20 years, it isn't that don't need it but you represent your school.

You cannot take a public side. It's a public school; being politically neutral is, quite literally, in the guidelines a teacher is assessed on in their VIT presentation. You can have whatever opinions privately, but they cannot come out in a professional context. So, you cannot take your student's side.

You also cannot take the minister's side. The Civics curriculum encourages students to be active participants in their democracy, and what is more democratic than holding an elected official to account other than perhaps voting?

To the public, you're neutral. In private to the assistant minister, you're apologetic and in damage control. To the students, you cannot support them and it results in tepid appeals to liberalism. In private, you're screaming from having to sit on that particular barbed wire fence.

Ummmmm what? Are you saying that the school did the right thing suspending the kid?

 

[Gethelred]

Ummmmm what? Are you saying that the school did the right thing suspending the kid?

I wouldn't have done it, but I can understand why they did it.

Is it a bit weak? Absolutely. But it is understandable.

 

[Carn The Berries]

I wouldn't have done it, but I can understand why they did it.

Is it a bit weak? Absolutely. But it is understandable.

It's not understandable at all. If we are saying to our students that they shouldn't challenge authority (assuming the question was asked in an appropriate manner) then what is the point of education?

And if our politicians are so thin skinned that they can't handle a (justified) question from a teenager then a) don't do BS publicity stunts at a school and b) GTFO of politics.

 

[Gethelred]

It's not understandable at all. If we are saying to our students that they shouldn't challenge authority (assuming the question was asked in an appropriate manner) then what is the point of education?

And if our politicians are so thin skinned that they can't handle a (justified) question from a teenager then a) don't do BS publicity stunts at a school and b) GTFO of politics.

Ideal world, sure. Do we live in an ideal world?

 

[CM86]

Ummmmm what? Are you saying that the school did the right thing suspending the kid?

It's not understandable at all. If we are saying to our students that they shouldn't challenge authority (assuming the question was asked in an appropriate manner) then what is the point of education?

And if our politicians are so thin skinned that they can't handle a (justified) question from a teenager then a) don't do BS publicity stunts at a school and b) GTFO of politics.

I feel like these posts are what would lead into a reply like the below from Gethelred.

Which is why it's so strange that these posts come AFTER the explanation post.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place: you've got to promote the school and ensure funding for additional projects - a gym refurbishment, redoing the cracked pitch in the middle of the school oval, getting the portables replaced with actual classrooms - and there's only so much money to go around. You don't want that money going to the school down the road; you've not had serious funds to improve infrastructure in 20 years, it isn't that don't need it but you represent your school.

You cannot take a public side. It's a public school; being politically neutral is, quite literally, in the guidelines a teacher is assessed on in their VIT presentation. You can have whatever opinions privately, but they cannot come out in a professional context. So, you cannot take your student's side.

You also cannot take the minister's side. The Civics curriculum encourages students to be active participants in their democracy, and what is more democratic than holding an elected official to account other than perhaps voting?

To the public, you're neutral. In private to the assistant minister, you're apologetic and in damage control. To the students, you cannot support them and it results in tepid appeals to liberalism. In private, you're screaming from having to sit on that particular barbed wire fence.

Carn The Berries
We all need to be able to discuss the realities of the world, without this ferocious division and binary that is being promoted and pushed, in part, by far right propagandists like the Israeli Government.

 

[schneebly111]

You cannot take a public side. It's a public school; being politically neutral is, quite literally, in the guidelines a teacher is assessed on in their VIT presentation. You can have whatever opinions privately, but they cannot come out in a professional context. So, you cannot take your student's side.

It was a student (2 actually) who were suspended, not a teacher.

I thought we encouraged kids to expand their minds and learn to make up their own opinions when it comes to these matters? I mean most of us supported the school climate strikes no?

 

[CM86]

It was a student (2 actually) who were suspended, not a teacher.

I thought we encouraged kids to expand their minds and learn to make up their own opinions when it comes to these matters? I mean most of us supported the school climate strikes no?

He knows it was students not teachers.

He isn't justifying or defending any of this.

He's explaining the most likely reasoning behind it. As absurd or unfair the reality is.
He's not anti-Palestine or supportive of the suspension. He's just explaining why this was probably the outcome, even if it was asked in the most engaging and polite way by the student.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Ideal world, sure. Do we live in an ideal world?

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I don't believe there is any justification (in this world, or in any) for us to be saying to students "sit down, shut the f*** up and don't challenge authority. If you do, you'll be punished". I didn't agree with students taking time off class to go to the climate rallies, but I absolutely respect their right to do so and would have been appalled if they were suspended from school for it.

It's ridiculous (and would be going against legislation) for a school to believe their funding may be impacted by a student asking a question of a politician. Trying to justify it is a cop-out.

 

[schneebly111]

He's explaining the most likely reasoning behind it. As absurd or unfair the reality is.

Except other times students have been speaking their mind they’ve been encouraged. It seems an obvious mass slaughter is off limits though.

 

[Harlott]

And that’s the reason we need to get rid of this “reality”. Buying silence is mafia tactics.

 

[CM86]

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I don't believe there is any justification (in this world, or in any) for us to be saying to students "sit down, shut the f*** up and don't challenge authority. If you do, you'll be punished". I didn't agree with students taking time off class to go to the climate rallies, but I absolutely respect their right to do so and would have been appalled if they were suspended from school for it.

It's ridiculous (and would be going against legislation) for a school to believe their funding may be impacted by a student asking a question of a politician. Trying to justify it is a cop-out.

Except other times students have been speaking their mind they’ve been encouraged. It seems an obvious mass slaughter is off limits though.

And that’s the reason we need to get rid of this “reality”. Buying silence is mafia tactics.

Yes, absolutely, we all agree on that.


Let me try to express myself.


This is the problem we face after two decades of far right normalisation.
The constant media, political and social position that insist that Schools are indoctrinating our kids with 'lefty' bias. Etc etc.

This has been a problem for decades, and a rapidly increasing problem in the last two.
It's part of why Thunberg is so hated and vilified by the far right. And that the common social disdain for her exists.


The problem is this is a far right issue but it's being deflected, as usual, to some other minority group.



Teachers and schools now need to be so desperately bipartisan (read right leaning to far right), that they have to comport themselves under right wing ideologies. For fear of being viewed as 'indoctrinating' kids into 'the left', or unfairly maligning 'the right'.


This is an issue. But don't attack the schools, the teachers or the admin for it. Attack the far right for the influence and control they have over all aspects of Australia.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Yes, absolutely, we all agree on that.


Let me try to express myself.


This is the problem we face after two decades of far right normalisation.
The constant media, political and social position that insist that Schools are indoctrinating our kids with 'lefty' bias. Etc etc.

This has been a problem for decades, and a rapidly increasing problem in the last two.
It's part of why Thunberg is so hated and vilified by the far right. And that the common social disdain for her exists.


The problem is this is a far right issue but it's being deflected, as usual, to some other minority group.



Teachers and schools now need to be so desperately bipartisan (read right leaning to far right), that they have to comport themselves under right wing ideologies. For fear of being viewed as 'indoctrinating' kids into 'the left', or unfairly maligning 'the right'.


This is an issue. But don't attack the schools, the teachers or the admin for it. Attack the far right for the influence and control they have over all aspects of Australia.

That's a cop out. Schools are meant to act in the best interest of their students. Punishing them and saying "oh well, sorry about this, we need to do it to not piss off Sky News" simply isn't good enough and shouldn't be "justified" or "understandable". School administrators (principals etc.) need to stand up to this and do the right thing by their kids.

 

[CM86]

That's a cop out. Schools are meant to act in the best interest of their students. Punishing them and saying "oh well, sorry about this, we need to do it to not piss off Sky News" simply isn't good enough and shouldn't be "justified" or "understandable". School administrators (principals etc.) need to stand up to this and do the right thing by their kids.

Nah, bullshit. That's the cop out.

What do you think happened to all of the School administrators (principals etc.) teachers etc that have tried to stand their ground or push back, over the last 20 years?
What impact do you think that has on the culture?



Can you name a half dozen Teachers/Seniors/Principals/Schools etc that you've vocally helped defend and support against the far right, over the last 20 years?

You can name some controversies. But what's always the bipartisan position of these 'controversies'? It's a far right/Christian type position vs a reasonable position.


We've created and allowed for the far right to dominate all areas of societal significance in Australia.
It's why teachers need to tread eggshells, even when discussing climate change.


It's great for you to now take this stand and attack the education system being submissive.
But who was there to stop them being beaten into submission??

 

[the_interloper]

Nah, bullshit. That's the cop out.

What do you think happened to all of the School administrators (principals etc.) teachers etc that have tried to stand their ground or push back, over the last 20 years?
What impact do you think that has on the culture?



Can you name a half dozen Teachers/Seniors/Principals/Schools etc that you've vocally helped defend and support against the far right, over the last 20 years?

You can name some controversies. But what's always the bipartisan position of these 'controversies'? It's a far right/Christian type position vs a reasonable position.


We've created and allowed for the far right to dominate all areas of societal significance in Australia.
It's why teachers need to tread eggshells, even when discussing climate change.


It's great for you to now take this stand and attack the education system being submissive.
But who was there to stop them being beaten into submission??

That's laughable.

 

[CM86]

That's laughable.

Holy shit you jumped on that fast.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Ideal world, sure. Do we live in an ideal world?

Bit of a cynical phrase. Why act on anything if we’re resigned to giving up on our ideals? Cowardice deserves to be called out.

 

[CM86]

Bit of a cynical phrase. Why act on anything if we’re resigned to giving up on our ideals? Cowardice deserves to be called out.

Call it out then.
It's also cowardice not to call things out.


What's the implication you're making in reply to their post?

 

[Number37]

Bit of a cynical phrase. Why act on anything if we’re resigned to giving up on our ideals? Cowardice deserves to be called out.

If the world was indeed 'ideal' then logic dictates that there wouldn't be any of these issues.
The argument 'in an ideal world' is therefore redundant.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I reckon you'd be more uncomfortable as a homosexual in Gaza.

It'll be ok, Israel is stopping any chance that a Palestinian kid would grow up to hate homosexuals.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Yes, absolutely, we all agree on that.


Let me try to express myself.


This is the problem we face after two decades of far right normalisation.
The constant media, political and social position that insist that Schools are indoctrinating our kids with 'lefty' bias. Etc etc.

This has been a problem for decades, and a rapidly increasing problem in the last two.
It's part of why Thunberg is so hated and vilified by the far right. And that the common social disdain for her exists.


The problem is this is a far right issue but it's being deflected, as usual, to some other minority group.



Teachers and schools now need to be so desperately bipartisan (read right leaning to far right), that they have to comport themselves under right wing ideologies. For fear of being viewed as 'indoctrinating' kids into 'the left', or unfairly maligning 'the right'.


This is an issue. But don't attack the schools, the teachers or the admin for it. Attack the far right for the influence and control they have over all aspects of Australia.

Here's something for comparison. If the government choose to implement all of the recommendations from the antisemitism envoy and block funding to universities who are "promoting antisemitism" should we just stand by and say "the right made them do it" if they start kicking kids off campus for questioning the government's lack of action to condemn Israel? Or should we be condemning the universities for being spinless and kow-towing?

That is exactly what happened in this case, and there are people on here saying "oh well, there's a reason why they did it".

 

[CM86]

Here's something for comparison. If the government choose to implement all of the recommendations from the antisemitism envoy and block funding to universities who are "promoting antisemitism" should we just stand by and say "the right made them do it" if they start kicking kids off campus for questioning the government's lack of action to condemn Israel? Or should we be condemning the universities for being spinless and kow-towing?

That is exactly what happened in this case, and there are people on here saying "oh well, there's a reason why they did it".

Cool, what are YOU doing to stop it?

Gethelred was pointing out why this is happening.
Not defending, excusing or supporting it. Not trying to make it sound reasonable. Just simply explaining why this is probably the outcome.

If you refuse to engage how, why or what caused this situation... What is your solution?