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[JB1975]

I'll have another go at this.
White people are not all equal and have not been since the beginning of time. I went to the worst school in the state as per the enter score, and am now in a working class job. Whatever. I'm also doing the best I've ever done in life have a partner, in the property market, and am kicking lots of goals. This is the lucky country still after all. My story might be very different from yours however so when you come up with ideas of virtue signaling. identity politics and white privilege - if you've gone through the private schooling and have a white collar job then always keep that in mind. Relative to me, you might be very privileged. Are you?

Have I been victimized, everyone has, and I gave you a really, really good example of such a case earlier in this thread. I've told that one to family who are absolutely considered 'woke', greens voters, and they were in complete agreeance that that was a debacle by said company, a train wreck. It's not at all surprising that you and other rusted on greens voters wouldn't acknowledge that experience as such on an internet forum though. Or acknowledge all the valid points I've made in this thread.

Do I consider myself an oppressed white male? Absolutely not! Has there times when I'v been privileged in life, white privileged, yes. Has there been times where it's also been a disadvantage, we know from the example I gave I'd be lying if I said no. That's life really, and I always like to earn things on merit and for who I am. I can't change the world with the cards I've been dealt, best I use them to the best I can to get the most out of life for myself and those I love and to be the best person I can be, that entails self respect a sense of identity and treating others well.

Even people who use the term 'white privilege' wouldn't deny that there is plenty of disadvantage to be found in white communities. The economy has shifted more than a bit over the decades, and it has pushed a lot of blue collar types further to the margins.

My family is a good example. I joke about bogans, but my family is full of them, myself included.

None of us are entrepreneurial, but a portion of us came to the realisation that education would be the safest way to navigate the brave new world that'd been thrust on us. Not many of us thrive, but we've adapted okay.

Another portion of us never shook off the notion that education is for lawyers and doctors, for an entrenched middle class, that sweat would be enough to make a go of things. This element of the family struggle to keep their heads above water, while exposure to prison and amphetamine addiction now threatens to sink a couple of my cousins completely.

I never finished year 10, just couldn't hack the day-to-day of the education system. It bored me, seemed irrelevant etc.

Lost my train of thought... Life is hard for people, all people, and some have been left behind.

My beef is with people who take these sad stories and use them to deny or minimise the entrenched suffering of other groups. Too many people (some of the beautiful bogans in my family are part of this) act as if the suffering of other people is made up.

It'd be nice if we could acknowledge that all or at least many of us suffer, but we don't suffer equally, or in the same ways. I think that we have a lot to gain with such an acknowledgment, but too many people --including the worst of Trump's supporters-- act as if they have everything to lose.

 

[Markfs]

True but there's also a lot thats been fought for over hundreds of years to have the relatively egalitarian society we have today, that is changing fast though.

i think the point is that it was never truly egalitarian....

 

[HeathySure]

Stock market broke records today, you need to point this out to Trumpists who think Donald was the reason it was always high during his presidency.
#itwasnot

 

[Markfs]

It'd be nice if we could acknowledge that all or at least many of us suffer, but we don't suffer equally, or in the same ways. I think that we have a lot to gain with such an acknowledgment, but too many people --including the worst of Trump's supporters-- act as if they have everything to lose.

It's funny how people identify with being in a particular "group" and then explain why they're different. Not that I'm disbelieving you - more so I'm believing you. It seems one of the biggest mistakes is pidgeon-holing people.

 

[Markfs]

Stock market broke records today, you need to point this out to Trumpists who think Donald was the reason it was always high during his presidency.
#itwasnot

I've been fascinated by this. is it because people are investing money they cant spend going on overseas trips, or is it because it has allowed employers to cheaply lay off people who were going out the door anyway in the new economy.

 

[JB1975]

It's funny how people identify with being in a particular "group" and then explain why they're different. Not that I'm disbelieving you - more so I'm believing you. It seems one of the biggest mistakes is pidgeon-holing people.

That's the crux of it.

Where you come from inevitably says a lot about who you are, and can explain a lot, but can never quite explain the whole.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Maggie5
In regards to your last response...


The thing is i've been posting whilst working 50 plus hours weeks, so one hand tied behind my back and this just seems like a gotchya moment. It's poor form when you think about it. Think about it.

 

[magpie_marty]

What a wonderful day.

 

[Good Horse]

I've been fascinated by this. is it because people are investing money they cant spend going on overseas trips, or is it because it has allowed employers to cheaply lay off people who were going out the door anyway in the new economy.

There is likely a couple of factors involved.

Some are explained by this piece

The Productivity–Pay Gap

The huge gap between rising incomes at the top and stagnating pay for the rest of us shows that workers are no longer benefiting from their rising productivity. Before 1979, worker pay and productivity grew in tandem. But since 1979, productivity has grown eight times faster than typical worker...

www.epi.org

In short, there is an accelerating trend for the value created by increased productivity in US corporations to be captured by shareholders (and distributed as dividends) not employees.

Share prices are influenced by several factors, including future share value appreciation and money availability.

Companies are essentially cash generating machines now with limited need to consider employees as valuable with limited to no restraint from regulations. That cash builds up on balance sheets, and current practice is to return via share buybacks, which also inflate share prices at both ends due to the attractiveness of buyback distributions due to their tax treatment.

With some notable exceptions, a lot have done well in the pandemic, and utilised the situation to further cut employee compensation while retaining profits. Even for those in difficulty, a mix of bailouts and Chapter 11 protection insulates shareholders from value destruction. Boeing for example redistributed tens of billions to shareholders via buybacks right before s**t hit the fan from the MAX and then covid, but congress feeds them more cash anyway.

The other dimension underappreciated is, when so much more of the surplus cash from companies ends up in hands already wealthy, those people are able to spend their money on assets as well as goods and services as they have surplus cash above their wildest needs. You get asset price bubbles classically from such a situation, and one classical asset class that can appreciate from that is shares. The money has to go somewhere, and with so much money sloshing around but concentrated in fewer hands, this is one of the places it goes. Bubbles in things like Bitcoin have a similar starting point.

So far, I haven't seen any indication a Biden administration will seriously change any of these settings, so the underlying trends remain constant.

 

[Kirby]

I'll have another go at this.
White people are not all equal and have not been since the beginning of time. I went to the worst school in the state as per the enter score, and am now in a working class job. Whatever. I'm also doing the best I've ever done in life have a partner, in the property market, and am kicking lots of goals. This is the lucky country still after all. My story might be very different from yours however so when you come up with ideas of virtue signaling. identity politics and white privilege - if you've gone through the private schooling and have a white collar job then always keep that in mind. Relative to me, you might be very privileged. Are you?

Have I been victimized, everyone has, and I gave you a really, really good example of such a case earlier in this thread. I've told that one to family who are absolutely considered 'woke', greens voters, and they were in complete agreeance that that was a debacle by said company, a train wreck. It's not at all surprising that you and other rusted on greens voters wouldn't acknowledge that experience as such on an internet forum though. Or acknowledge all the valid points I've made in this thread.

Do I consider myself an oppressed white male? Absolutely not! Has there times when I'v been privileged in life, white privileged, yes. Has there been times where it's also been a disadvantage, we know from the example I gave I'd be lying if I said no. That's life really, and I always like to earn things on merit and for who I am. I can't change the world with the cards I've been dealt, best I use them to the best I can to get the most out of life for myself and those I love and to be the best person I can be, that entails self respect a sense of identity and treating others well.

It looks like I hit a nerve with my post. It was a generalisation based off your frequent use of right wing trigger terms.

Anyway, you miss the whole point of my post that you've now quoted twice.

This white privilege I speak of is a "general" thing and not an individual thing.

 

[sr36]

I've been fascinated by this. is it because people are investing money they cant spend going on overseas trips, or is it because it has allowed employers to cheaply lay off people who were going out the door anyway in the new economy.

It's because governments are pumping enormous amounts into the economy to prop up the markets.

 

[magpie_marty]

Johnny

Trump has already won. I'm not that bothered to explain..

Enjoy it. In time you will love him too

Hey there.

 

[johncitizen]

Johnny


Hey there.

Hey Marty and everyone. Looks like Biden is in for now. You folks must be happy. Congrats.

I will be back again when his Presidency is shown to be illegitimate.
Maggie send me the avatar. If I'm correct in what i think is going to happen i will send you a new avatar. Ok?
He is still being heavily investigated along with his democratic friends. If guilty he gets stripped of his title and goes down for Treason. Laugh all you need too.

Avatar 30 days. Cheers

 

[ExcitementMachine]

It looks like I hit a nerve with my post. It was a generalisation based off your frequent use of right wing trigger terms.

Anyway, you miss the whole point of my post that you've now quoted twice.

This white privilege I speak of is a "general" thing and not an individual thing.

You can't blame me for missing the point when on the one hand you've made it personal and the other ive got to dissect that the bigger point is a 'general thing

And I dont think terms like identity politics are right wing 'trigger' terms its merely what they are. Most would agree that Trump dabbled in it too.

Nice touch that you claim to hit a nerve. I only had a spare moment in front of my laptop to post that outside that I'm working and socialising.

Its pretty piss poor that you'd try and score points and not acknowledge that perhaps on the topic of privilege that perhaps you and me are not 'equals', its real food for thought

 

[Maggie5]

Maggie5
The thing is i've been posting whilst working 50 plus hours weeks, so one hand tied behind my back and this just seems like a gotchya moment. It's poor form when you think about it. Think about it.

I did, that is why I posted.

One hand or not, I callout BS.

Can't stand hypocrisy.

 

[Maggie5]

Maggie send me the avatar. If I'm correct in what i think is going to happen i will send you a new avatar. Ok?
Avatar 30 days. Cheers

Not sure that was what the bet was. Winner gets to choose avatar for the loser, not sure why you would be sending me one.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

I did, that is why I posted.

One hand or not, I callout BS.

Can't stand hypocrisy.

So I made a hypocritical comment from one day to the next. I'm not Andrew bolt on 1m or a university academic in social studies whos teaching social justice and turned a blind eye to china's treatment of Muslims.

Perhaps get better targets then some poor campaigner on a bulletin board who barely has the time to blink to make his point across.

You said you post on the society board, I have family there too,who knows you, and you definitely admire this poster. I will tell them what a snark you are when I see the next thats for sure.

 

[magpie_marty]

Hey Marty and everyone. Looks like Biden is in for now. You folks must be happy. Congrats.

I will be back again when his Presidency is shown to be illegitimate.
Maggie send me the avatar. If I'm correct in what i think is going to happen i will send you a new avatar. Ok?
He is still being heavily investigated along with his democratic friends. If guilty he gets stripped of his title and goes down for Treason. Laugh all you need too.

Avatar 30 days. Cheers

Awesome John C I hope your doing well and cheers for the reply

 

[Maggie5]

So I made a hypocritical comment from one day to the next. I'm not Andrew bolt on 200k or a university academic in social studies whos teaching social justice and turned a blind eye to chinas treatment of Muslims.

Perhaps get better targets then some poor campaigner on a bulletin board who barely has the time to blink to make his point across.

You said you post on the society board, I have family there too,who knows you, and you definitely admire this poster. I will tell them what a snark you are when I see the next thats for sure.

You are not getting it, you made a comment about another poster then you did the same thing yourself.

I never even mentioned China/Muslims.

 

[jatz14]

i think the point is that it was never truly egalitarian....

It was never remotely egalitarian.

It was more egalitarian than England, but that's a very low bar. It was more egalitarian across class lines. But if you didn't fit in the British class system, you were just out of luck.

Australia is more egalitarian now than at any point in it's past, and the people most likely to harken back to a mythical golden age of egalitarianism and mateship, are the most upset about this.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[ExcitementMachine]

You are not getting it, you made a comment about another poster then you did the same thing yourself.

I never even mentioned China/Muslims.

Go find better targets maggie, that's my point. Period.

 

[Maggie5]

Go find better targets maggie, that's my point. Period.

I am merely responding to you.

Maybe you can do the same? Would please me enormously.

 

[HeathySure]

Hey Marty and everyone. Looks like Biden is in for now. You folks must be happy. Congrats.

I will be back again when his Presidency is shown to be illegitimate.
Maggie send me the avatar. If I'm correct in what i think is going to happen i will send you a new avatar. Ok?
He is still being heavily investigated along with his democratic friends. If guilty he gets stripped of his title and goes down for Treason. Laugh all you need too.

Avatar 30 days. Cheers

i am just upset you didnt win the million dollars. Sorry Johnny it did look like easy money...

 

[ExcitementMachine]

It was never remotely egalitarian.

It was more egalitarian than England, but that's a very low bar. It was more egalitarian across class lines. But if you didn't fit in the British class system, you were just out of luck.

Australia is more egalitarian now than at any point in it's past, and the people most likely to harken back to a mythical golden age of egalitarianism and mateship, are the most upset about this.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

I found the last paragraph to be astounding.
Australia more egalitarian than ever? I suspect that you mean in terms of egalitarian from.the ghassan hage school and from.the books you've read in that context, I can assure you though in the real world you are dead wrong!

 

[Markfs]

There is likely a couple of factors involved.

You missed my point and I think you got a little complicated too, but thats my opinion. I was wondering why the share market was going to record highs now. The flattening out of wages and the transfer of money to the capitalists has been happening for years, decades. And you might be right that it's a continuation of the trend of the wealthy investing more in the market anyway because they have more money, but it's peculiar that it's happening in a world with so much uncertainty. Thanks for your ideas.