Mega Thread All AOD-9604 Discussion - Still Illegal but ASADA will not press charges on AOD9604 - McDevitt

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But what AFL mouthpiece and serial liar Carowhine Wilthen writes is gospel? Got it.
One extreme to the other.

She is right more often than not.

She was right prior to most penalties in the past.

My guess in all this is the AFL penalties will not please anyone, Essendon will think their excessive and everyone else too lenient.

I have no idea what ASADA/WADA will end up doing though. For Essendon that is the scary part, if it was just the AFL, cop a bit of a whack and move on.
 
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-Crime Commission Report- AOD9604 mentions

The principal substances identified through Project Aperio as being used were:
  • growth hormone releasing peptides (CJC-1295, GHRP-2, GHRP-6 and Hexarelin)
  • growth hormone variants (AOD-9604)
  • selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs)
  • insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) and mechano growth factor (MGF).
Growth Hormone Variants

AOD-9604 is a variant of growth hormone which has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores.
AOD-9604 is about to enter phase three clinical trials.12 During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect on cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.13
AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.

ACC STATEMENT: AOD-9604
Tue, 16/07/2013
The Australian Crime Commission sought expert advice from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) at the time of developing the Organised Crime and Drugs in Sport report and was advised (correctly) that AOD-9604 is not prohibited under schedule S2 of the WADA prohibited list[1].
The World Anti-Doping Authority (WADA) is the pre-eminent authority and expert in this field and the Australian Crime Commission welcomes the subsequent clarification by WADA on 22 April 2013 of the status of AOD-9604 as a prohibited substance under the S0 classification. The WADA statement confirms that AOD-9604 was a prohibited substance, both in and out of competition, during the period of activity that was investigated by Project Aperio.
The S0 classification reflects WADA’s advice that there is no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority in the world for human therapeutic use of AOD-9604. One of the concerns held by the ACC during Project Aperio was that professional athletes were being administered substances that had not been approved for use on humans.


It seems there is much confusion regarding the status of AOD-9604.

From the WADA Prohibited List
S0. NON-APPROVED SUBSTANCES

Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited at all times.


S2. PEPTIDE HORMONES, GROWTH FACTORS AND RELATED SUBSTANCES



The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:


1. Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)];

2. Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males;



3. Corticotrophins;



4. Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching;

and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).

In my opinion, Essendon must have known they were playing with fire. AOD-9604 isn't explicitly mentioned in S2 but it seems to have growth hormone properties.*Alarm bells* It also seems it was not approved for human use, pushing it under the S0 category. *More alarm bells*.

The club therefore had three options:-
-seek written clarification / approval from ASADA and preferably approach the AFL with this evidence before using
-not use it due to doubts over whether it is banned or not (ie absolve all risk). ABORT.


-make a basic attempt at clarification / approval but not mitigate all risk. Ie. grey areas left- taking a chance.

Massive questions still must be asked. I look forward to the full release of emails / letters regarding their attempts at verifying its status.
 

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Makes no difference.

Wada will ensure the AFL follows the code.

The AFL said in its interim report AOD is banned.

Once its over WADA can, and probably will, act.
If ASADA said it wasn't banned who gives a flying Fk what WADA said?, WADA sent them to ADADA for the advice.
 

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Hang on. Dank emailed WADA in Feb 2012? Didn't Doc Reid put an immediate stop to the program in January?
"Stop" is a relative term...

Are you thinking Dank's two-step with WADA and ASADA got it restarted? Is there a timeline somewhere?
 

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Didnt WADA advise dank to proceed to ASADA? Seems like they allowed this situation. Good luck with that
You guys need to put the champagne away.

Next week you will all be crying and trying work out what happened.

WADA doesn't care what ASADA says, it says its banned from Jan 1 2011.

That is all that matter, Slobbo and GW are upset that they haven't been leaked info like Fairfax has had access too.
 

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Look it's clear that ASADA has not said 'you guys can take AOD-9604' But it seems as though they have also said (i'm paraphrasing) ' AOD-9604 is not banned' So where does that leave us?
Makes Dank a dodgy price most likely for carefully wording questions, but a bit hard to blame Hird and co for that.

There is more questionable substances at at though, which is why this goes on.
 

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The old 360 AOD-9604 'revelation', eh?

Yawn.

this real wild assertions that get fueled on the program really brings the independence of it into question certainly in perception..
Is their a conflict of interest??

At times it seems like AFL 360 is being directed by another force

A times Gerard appears as if he believes he is pumped up on authority and enlightenment. It is amazing and a little unbecoming!:D
 

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Just catching the replay of 360. Robbo really is an embarrassment. He's still filthy Andy threatened legal action against him the other week.
I notice robbo hasn't brought essendon to task for sitting on the evidence that would clear them for the last 7 months, just letting the media have a free for all feeding on their players and their clubs reputation. :rolleyes:
 

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If ASADA said it wasn't banned who gives a flying Fk what WADA said?, WADA sent them to ADADA for the advice.
WADA has the ability to go back and ban teams, players , individuals as its see fit.

They have untold powers, ASADA is just an investigative body.
 

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Everyone saying "yeah but where's the evidence, if Essendon had it they would have come out with it", ask yourself why they didn't come out with at least tonight's information from the start? Even if they had nothing else, this is a pretty significant thing to hang on to for 7 months, no? Indicates that there are reasons for hanging onto these things while the investigation is going on.
 
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I notice robbo hasn't brought essendon to task for sitting on the evidence that would clear them for the last 7 months, just letting the media have a free for all feeding on their players and their clubs reputation. :rolleyes:

What, like the AFL and ASADA instructed them to do? To honour this mockery of an investigation and play ball? Which one do you want?

They have untold powers,
Gee whiz. Look forward to them summoning the army of the dead from the Black Cauldron, then.

WADA is coming. Look busy.
 
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