Mega Thread All AOD-9604 Discussion - Still Illegal but ASADA will not press charges on AOD9604 - McDevitt

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Essendon have been saying an awful lot for people gagged.
The spin doctors are earning their keep. Essendon have been happy to talk AOD and ignore everything else - now we know why.

They are starting to get the public on their side and make ASADA look like idiots.

Doesn't mean they have done nothing wrong or will get off tho.
 

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That's why the S0 clause is there; if you are close to breaking the WADA code or "pushing the boundaries" then you are most likely breaking them. WADA guidelines are such that you don't push them you don't go close. If you think you are near them you back the **** away.

Again all Essendon's hopes rely on a claimed piece of evidence none of them can produce. And even then it's still very unlikely it will see them of a club grug infringement sanction.

More to the point, the more Essendon try to claim and show that they got around any legal loophole the more evidence they will have to produce about their program. Evidence about Doctor shopping, compound pharmacists etc. That might get them a pass from WADA/ASADA, but will line them up for the mother of all arse reaming's from the AFL. You don't use a known prohibited substance and get off a technicality without breaking a shit load of AFL ethical policies and guidelines.

Your interpretation is possible, but I don't think we have enough facts on hand to be certain that's how the cookie crumbled. I suppose time will tell. Might be a while yet though... Having said that, the front page of the age is suggesting strongly that a deal is being cut.
 

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I feel sorry for all the Essendon supporters.

When they deal and don't play finals, they will ask why.

Hopefully tomorrow they will find out.
Gee that's mighty nice of you, maybe pies and bombers supporters can get together for a barbie at Jolimont and watch Geelong and Hawthorn in the Grand Final.
 

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Customer notice! AOD9604 is not for human consumption! Please review information below

H-statements (GHS/CLP): P-statements (GHS/CLP):
H302: Harmful if swallowed. P102: Keep out of reach of children.
H315: Causes skin irritation P232: Protect from moisture.
H319: Causes serious eye irritation. P235: Keep cool.
H332: Harmful if inhaled. P261: Avoid breathing dust/fume/gas/mist/vapours/spray.
P264: Wash hands thoroughly after handling.
P301+P312: IF SWALLOWED: Call a POISON CENTER or doctor/physician if you feel unwell.
P302+P352: IF ON SKIN: Wash with plenty of soap and water.
P301+P330+P331: IF SWALLOWED: rinse mouth. Do NOT induce vomiting.
P332+313: If skin irritation occurs: Get medical advice/attention.
P411+235: Store at temperatures not exceeding 8°C/46°F. Keep cool

https://www.deboralabs.com/products/AOD9604
 

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Yes, in reports we were reading yesterday, doc Reid put an immediate stop to the supplement program in January when he found out AOD was being used on more than the players he'd approved it for. I asked the question yesterday - who authorised it to re-commence? If Dank didn't even seek approval from ASADA until February... Hadn't Hird said everything had to be WADA compliant? But they didn't check for compliance til half way through the program?
 
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Really ...

I told everyone this would happen months ago.

Exactly how it would happen.

And no one, not one person agreed.
You were the first on this board from memory, but I had my own tomato sauce on this too. I slightly misinterpreted what I was told, but the basics were the same as the document showed by 360.

I was told months ago that WADA never intended S0 to be used to go after non-harmful/PEDs. My sauce did explain something about the S0/S1-9 overlap, but I only really paid attention to what was said about WADA's intentions.

Feel free to search through my post history, you will find little other than months worth of frustrated attempts to get people to stop talking about AOD-9604.
 

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Customer notice! AOD9604 is not for human consumption! Please review information below

H-statements (GHS/CLP): P-statements (GHS/CLP):
H302: Harmful if swallowed. P102: Keep out of reach of children.
H315: Causes skin irritation P232: Protect from moisture.
H319: Causes serious eye irritation. P235: Keep cool.
H332: Harmful if inhaled. P261: Avoid breathing dust/fume/gas/mist/vapours/spray.
P264: Wash hands thoroughly after handling.
P301+P312: IF SWALLOWED: Call a POISON CENTER or doctor/physician if you feel unwell.
P302+P352: IF ON SKIN: Wash with plenty of soap and water.
P301+P330+P331: IF SWALLOWED: rinse mouth. Do NOT induce vomiting.
P332+313: If skin irritation occurs: Get medical advice/attention.
P411+235: Store at temperatures not exceeding 8°C/46°F. Keep cool
https://www.deboralabs.com/products/AOD9604
Outstanding. Now go and look at the medication in your cupboard and have a look at the potential side-effects of each of those and get back to us. That's not to mention most of the cleaning products in your house. BTW, you missed "may contain nuts".
 

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You were the first on this board from memory, but I had my own tomato sauce on this too. I slightly misinterpreted what I was told, but the basics were the same as the document showed by 360.

I was told months ago that WADA never intended S0 to be used to go after non-harmful/PEDs. My sauce did explain something about the S0/S1-9 overlap, but I only really paid attention to what was said about WADA's intentions.

Feel free to search through my post history, you will find little other than months worth of frustrated attempts to get people to stop talking about AOD-9604.
I don't remember that post, but you've been fair on this throughout.
 

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You mean after 7 months you don't know?

Good grief. The hexarelin bandit knows.

He and Dank talked about them all.

Once again, you've been asked a reasonable, direct question, but as usual you respond with anecdotes and vague approximations that contribute f*ck all to the discussion. So, at the risk of banging my head against a wall, are you able to tell me what the 'other five' prohibited substances that were at the club?

I've even given you a pass on how some might deem it unfair to lump in the rest of the club with the players with regards to substances administered, as the standards that apply to players are much more stringent.
 

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WADA statement on substance AOD-9604

April 22, 2013
Following a number of inquiries regarding the substance AOD-9604 available on the Internet ‘black market’ and possibly elsewhere, WADA has issued the following statement:
AOD-9604 is a substance still under pre-clinical and clinical development and has not been approved for therapeutic use by any government health authority in the world.
Therefore, under the 2013 Prohibited Substances and Methods List, the substance falls into the S.0 category which states:
“S0. NON-APPROVED SUBSTANCES
Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances


approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited at all times.”
For more advice and information regarding medication or supplements, athletes are advised to contact their national anti-doping organization or international federation.
To access the List of Prohibited Substances and Methods,

http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-statement-on-substance-aod-9604/

So clearly, Essendon must come up with proof ASADA gave them the green light to use it, he said-she said won't cut it, it has to be written proof IMO, and TBH i don't think ASADA does that, looks like more Essendon spin to me.
 

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Looks like ASADA misinterpreted the WADA code to this guy in 2013 (remember WADA says its banned).

Surely this only helps Essendon if they inquired about AOD prior to use in 2012 and were given the same advise - that aod is not prohibited.

If they didn't, then i can't see how one asada officials mistake in 2013 makes aod legal in 2012. it only matters what Essendon were told in 2012. Seems pretty simple to me.
 

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And essendon had a letter from ASADA saying it was legal but failed to produce it. Same same? ;)
Essendon quite likely had an agreement with ASADA that it would not make them look bad by giving the world details of their advice, which was contradicted by WADA, on the understanding that ASADA would not lay any charges against players for using AOD.
Essendon, unlike the AFL, kept their part of the deal, and have never detailed why they believed AOD was legal. They have said many times, they would love to tell all, but they can't, and they would be vindicated when the truth came out.
Well the truth just came out.
 

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Once again, you've been asked a reasonable, direct question, but as usual you respond with anecdotes and vague approximations that contribute f*ck all to the discussion. So, at the risk of banging my head against a wall, are you able to tell me what the 'other five' prohibited substances that were at the club?

I've even given you a pass on how some might deem it unfair to lump in the rest of the club with the players with regards to substances administered, as the standards that apply to players are much more stringent.
It's his MO mate, just responds to each direct question with another unfounded claim. He is an utter waste of time.
 
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