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B - J.Gibson - M.Hurley - E.Wood
HB - R.Murphy - A.Rance - H.Shaw
C - P.Dangerfield - N.Fyfe - D.Hannebery
HF - J.Stringer - T.Walker *C* - T.Lynch (Adel)
F - E.Betts - J.Kennedy (WCE) - C.Wingard
R - T.Goldstein - S.Pendlebury *VC* - M.Priddis
B - M.Boyd - B.Deledio - J.Steven - J.Roughead (HAW)
Roughy not close, his great been excellent but his poor games he is unsighted.
 

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I'm not seeing any teams with Stephen Hill in them. Freo supporters could expand on this but when I've seen them the last couple of months he has been outstanding and to me probably their best player in that time frame.

He has had a super year and it would be fitting to see him and Gaff manning the two wings. The ability to get in space and kill teams is crucial nowadays and that should be represented in the AA team. There are lots of man-mountains racking up CP in scrap after scrap but very few that offer the decisive carry and precision that Hill does.
I think Hill has had a great year for us and you're right that he'd be very close to Freo's best the last couple of months along with Mundy. He 's also one of the 3 players nominated by his team mates for this years MVP voting. The other 2 were Fyfe and Mundy, so he was ahead of Sandi

It's be nice to see him in the squad, but I think he'll struggle to make the team just because the selectors are usually reluctant to select one winger, let alone two. So he would probably need to displace Gaff if he were to make it. I think the only argument I could make for Hill over Gaff is that he is more directly involved in his teams goals. Hill has directly contributed (Goals and Goal assists) to 10% (27) of Freo's goals, and Gaff only 5% (16) of West Coasts
 

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I think Hill has had a great year for us and you're right that he'd be very close to Freo's best the last couple of months along with Mundy. He 's also one of the 3 players nominated by his team mates for this years MVP voting. The other 2 were Fyfe and Mundy, so he was ahead of Sandi

It's be nice to see him in the squad, but I think he'll struggle to make the team just because the selectors are usually reluctant to select one winger, let alone two. So he would probably need to displace Gaff if he were to make it. I think the only argument I could make for Hill over Gaff is that he is more directly involved in his teams goals. Hill has directly contributed (Goals and Goal assists) to 10% (27) of Freo's goals, and Gaff only 5% (16) of West Coasts
This number doesn't mean much because of the sample size, this is where we need the scoring change involvement. Again all this data we don't have access to.
 

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Lynch has had a great year, but nowhere near All Australian. Has only kicked 27 goals for the year.
It's not just goals though, he averages 20 disposals, 8 marks and is by far the number 1 player for goal assists.

He won't even make the the squad because we already have 6 players in contention and are only 7th place but he's had a very good season.
 
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H. Shaw Hurley Laird

Wood Rance Murphy

Dangerfield J.P Kennedy Gaff

Gray Walker Wingard

Betts Kennedy Stringer

Goldstein Fyfe Hannebery


BENCH: Hodge Mundy Martin Priddis

CONTENTIOUS: Hodge, Walker, J.P Kennedy, Mundy.

UNLUCKY: Sandilands, Naitanui, Deledio, Neale, Cameron, Pendlebury, Armitage, Swan, Breust, Rioli, Mitchell, Gibson, Talia, Ibbotson

Probably short another tall for bench or forward line, I chose Stringer as a medium third tall instead. Thought about Natanui as 2nd ruck option. Martin can play fwd/midfield, Hodge fwd/midfield/back and 2 ball winners for the bench.
 

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in 2013 in our grand final year our fairest and best winner Fyfe was not selected. in 2015 our potential winner in Mundy will probably not make it and Fyfe will be our own representative despite being the clear top team all year. would not happen to another team but i hope i am wrong.
 

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in 2013 in our grand final year our fairest and best winner Fyfe was not selected. in 2015 our potential winner in Mundy will probably not make it and Fyfe will be our own representative despite being the clear top team all year. would not happen to another team but i hope i am wrong.
The Swert did the calculations on the last page and since 2005 Hawthorn have had half the AAs compared to Geelong (18 vs 36) - even though they have both won the same amount of flags and made the same number of Grand Finals.

AAs don't necessarily correlate with team success. Hawthorn's success is built on tactics and a well-drilled team that doesn't need a whole bunch of individual stars to win. Individuals with fantastic seasons win AA - not teams.
 

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Score assists can sometimes be bullshit. Did you know if a player kicks the ball to a lone forward in the f50, but the ball bounces before the forward collects it and runs into an open goal, it's not counted as a score assist.
 

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in 2013 in our grand final year our fairest and best winner Fyfe was not selected. in 2015 our potential winner in Mundy will probably not make it and Fyfe will be our own representative despite being the clear top team all year. would not happen to another team but i hope i am wrong.
Parker didn't make it last year for us. Good players miss out unfortunately. I'm just a casual fan this year but Mundy would appear to be a strong chance so I don't see why he can't make it.
 

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Score assists can sometimes be bullshit. Did you know if a player kicks the ball to a lone forward in the f50, but the ball bounces before the forward collects it and runs into an open goal, it's not counted as a score assist.
Got a source to back that up? Surely there would be a definition of that, what a hard ball get is, etc.
 

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Got a source to back that up? Surely there would be a definition of that, what a hard ball get is, etc.
No source, just from watching the stat sheet on the AFL website and the game at the same time. I've noted it at least half a dozen times. Either what I said is true, or they don't accurately count score assists. I haven't been able to find a proper definition for a score assist either to help out.

One particular time I noted it was a handball from mitch wallis through the legs of a player to luke dahlhaus for a goal. No score assist was counted, and I assume it's because it was counted as a ground ball get. That was a few years ago though. Happy to be proven wrong on this.
 

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The Swert did the calculations on the last page and since 2005 Hawthorn have had half the AAs compared to Geelong (18 vs 36) - even though they have both won the same amount of flags and made the same number of Grand Finals.

AAs don't necessarily correlate with team success. Hawthorn's success is built on tactics and a well-drilled team that doesn't need a whole bunch of individual stars to win. Individuals with fantastic seasons win AA - not teams.
I don't disagree with your final point, but Hawks and Geelong aren't exactly apples and apples.
Over that time period Geelong have won 29 more games than the Hawks. The bulk (21) of their representatives come from 2007, 2008 & 2009 when there was a clear gap between them and the rest. 2007 they finished 3 games & 40% ahead of 2nd. 2008 they finished 4 games and 30% ahead of second. 2009 they finished second to the Saints, but 3 games ahead of 3rd, both the Cats and Saints had 5 representatives that year.
Whereas when the Hawks have been on top they've had teams nipping at their heals. In 2012 2nd place won the same amount of games and 3rd and 4th were only a game behind. In 2013 2nd was a game behind with a similar percentage. In 2014 they finished 2nd on the same number of wins as 1st and 3rd and 1 win ahead of 4th.
 

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BENCH: Hodge Mundy Martin Priddis

CONTENTIOUS: Hodge, Walker, J.P Kennedy, Mundy.

UNLUCKY: Sandilands, Naitanui, Deledio, Neale, Cameron, Pendlebury, Armitage, Swan, Breust, Rioli, Mitchell, Gibson, Talia, Ibbotson

Probably short another tall for bench or forward line, I chose Stringer as a medium third tall instead. Thought about Natanui as 2nd ruck option. Martin can play fwd/midfield, Hodge fwd/midfield/back and 2 ball winners for the bench.
So contentious Hodge, ok Hawks who are going to finish 3rd and are back to back premiers could have no players?
Not to sure that's going to happen.
 

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in 2013 in our grand final year our fairest and best winner Fyfe was not selected. in 2015 our potential winner in Mundy will probably not make it and Fyfe will be our own representative despite being the clear top team all year. would not happen to another team but i hope i am wrong.
And Gibbo the Premiers B&F didn't make the side either.
 

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The Swert did the calculations on the last page and since 2005 Hawthorn have had half the AAs compared to Geelong (18 vs 36) - even though they have both won the same amount of flags and made the same number of Grand Finals.

AAs don't necessarily correlate with team success. Hawthorn's success is built on tactics and a well-drilled team that doesn't need a whole bunch of individual stars to win. Individuals with fantastic seasons win AA - not teams.
I agree with this but you still need individual brilliance and stars to be a great side.
 
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So contentious Hodge, ok Hawks who are going to finish 3rd and are back to back premiers could have no players?
Not to sure that's going to happen.
Hodge was one of my last picked. Has been very consistent and his flexibility ultimately won his spot over someone else.

Yeah I though about Breust, Rioli, Mitchell, Gibson..............I think Betts deserves his first gig and Wingard/Stringer need to be in over Breust/Rioli. Gibson has had another really good year (is AA caliber) but I feel Wood/Murphy have been more dynamic. Mitchell is a victim of so many good midfielders. How even your team spread is has impacted a little bit on AA. I wouldn't be surprised if you got 3 in but just couldn't fit them in my team.
 

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Hodge was one of my last picked. Has been very consistent and his flexibility ultimately won his spot over someone else.

Yeah I though about Breust, Rioli, Mitchell, Gibson..............I think Betts deserves his first gig and Wingard/Stringer need to be in over Breust/Rioli. Gibson has had another really good year (is AA caliber) but I feel Wood/Murphy have been more dynamic. Mitchell is a victim of so many good midfielders. How even your team spread is has impacted a little bit on AA. I wouldn't be surprised if you got 3 in but just couldn't fit them in my team.
Well put.

Mitchell has arguably had his best season, Gibbo has had his 4th season of amazing proportions and if they look at Hodge as a half back his numbers and impact on games more than both Murphy and Wood if that's who he is competing against.
Breust, Rioli & Gunston are the others to consider but I do agree they may all be borderline.
 

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Score assists can sometimes be bullshit. Did you know if a player kicks the ball to a lone forward in the f50, but the ball bounces before the forward collects it and runs into an open goal, it's not counted as a score assist.
Whilst I can't comment on the accuracy of the above, I think many would be surprised about the actual definitions of a number of common statistics. People throw stats around as evidence without truly understanding their significance.
 
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Well put.

Mitchell has arguably had his best season, Gibbo has had his 4th season of amazing proportions and if they look at Hodge as a half back his numbers and impact on games more than both Murphy and Wood if that's who he is competing against.
Breust, Rioli & Gunston are the others to consider but I do agree they may all be borderline.
Yeah I think its nearly Mitchell & Gibsons best year. Stats agree as well. The fact both always knock on the door of the squad may see them get over the line of a player having a breakout year. They always seem to want 2 solid years in a row...
 

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B___Easton Wood___.Alex Rance____.Heath Shaw
HB__Luke Hodge___Michael Hurley___Bob Murphy
C___Andrew Gaff___.Matt Priddis__Patrick Dangerfield
HF__Dustin Martin_.Taylor Walker c)_Chad Wingard
F___Jake Stringer_._Josh Kennedy___.Eddie Betts

R__Todd Goldstein____Nat Fyfe_____Dan Hannebery

I___David Mundy__Cyril Rioli__Sam Mitchell__J.P.Kennedy

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Ruck: Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne) – Has been the most outstanding ruckman in the competition. Has not only matched the other best tap ruckmen, but also won plenty of his own possessions. The sole ruckman in the team.

Ruck rover: Nat Fyfe (Fremantle) - An All-Australian last year and one of only a few to have backed up his 2014 form. His first half to 2015 was as good as any, ranking alongside Ablett's first half of 2014. Has been the standout player in the competition.

Rover: Daniel Hannebery (Sydney) – Absolutely brilliant in a year in which the Swans have had their poor patches. Has taken his game to a whole new level.

Wing: Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide) – After three solid years of football, he has been outstanding this season. Easily his most consistent football and that's why his signature will be one of the most sought-after at season's end.

Centre: Matt Priddis (West Coast) – Last year's Brownlow winner who is in better form this year. Should be an automatic selection.

Wing: Andrew Gaff (West Coast) - Has been outstanding. Just a freak runner who is one of the biggest accumulators in the competition. Seems to get possessions at will.

Half-forward flank: Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) – Has kicked as many goals as any forward in the league in the second half of the year. Although Port haven't been at their best, he has had his best season.

Centre half-forward: Tex Walker (Adelaide) – Started the year really well and despite tough, unforeseen, circumstances, has further developed into one of the game's great forwards and best leaders. He is ranked second for scoreboard impact in the AFL.

Half-forward flank: Dustin Martin (Richmond) – One of the reasons the Tigers are travelling so well. He just doesn't get beaten in one-on-one contests. Is second in the competition for kicks.

Forward pocket: Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs) – Has kicked three or more goals in nine games, which is phenomenal. Has shown he can play anywhere. Powerful athlete. Deserves a spot.

Full-forward: Josh Kennedy (West Coast) – His numbers tell the story. The AFL's leading goalkicker and also ranked No.1 for score impact.

Forward pocket: Eddie Betts (Adelaide) – Ranked No.3 for scoreboard impact, despite having played one fewer game than other players.

Back pocket: Easton Wood (Western Bulldogs) – Leads the competition in intercept marks (69 to date) and really has been a revelation. He clearly reads the ball well and is a big reason why the Bulldogs are where they are.

Fullback: Alex Rance (Richmond) - Another who should go back-to-back in the official team. He's been just as good as last year, if not better. Probably only been beaten three times this year, which says a lot considering the guys he plays on.

Back pocket: Heath Shaw (Greater Western Sydney) – He may be a Collingwood premiership player, but he's easily enjoyed the best year of his career, leading the competition in kicks. He's one of the reasons the Giants are knocking on the door.

Half-back flank: Bob Murphy (Western Bulldogs) – One of the elder statesmen of the team who has enjoyed a career-best year. Superb in the way he has led his young side.

Centre half-back: Michael Hurley (Essendon) – With his team under fire for much of the year, he has been one of the few Bombers who has stood up, consistently.

Half-back flank: Luke Hodge (Hawthorn): He has missed five games through suspension and almost played in every position, but this is where he does the most damage.

Interchange:
David Mundy
(Fremantle) – One of the unsung heroes at the Dockers who has been ultra consistent.
Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn) – Has had the best season of his career. Easily the best 10-15 possession player I have ever seen.
Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) – Continues to rack up possessions and be the best decision maker and ball getter in a powerful outfit.
Josh Kennedy (Sydney) – Backed up his 2014 and has been another consistent performer in the middle of ground.

Captain: Tex Walker (Adelaide) – There are three in the side who captain their respective sides (Hodge, Murphy and Walker), but given the circumstances of what Adelaide went through in the wake of Phil Walsh's death, I gave Walker the nod. It must have taken an enormous toll on the team and on Walker in his first year in the role. He won enormous respect for the way he led the team in the aftermath of that tragedy.

Coach: Luke Beveridge (Western Bulldogs) – Although we know that the All-Australian coach is usually the premiership coach, I'm nominating Beveridge for instilling belief and hope among the Dogs. The club lost last year's best and fairest winner, its CEO, coach and captain, but Beveridge has come in and has the Dogs dreaming of September glories.


* Notable absentees:
Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide), Scot Pendlebury (Collingwood), Jeremy Cameron (GWS), Luke Dahlhaus (Western Bulldogs), Jack Riewoldt (Richmond).
 
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B___Easton Wood___.Alex Rance____.Heath Shaw
HB__Luke Hodge___Michael Hurley___Bob Murphy
C___Andrew Gaff___.Matt Priddis__Patrick Dangerfield
HF__Dustin Martin_.Taylor Walker c)_Chad Wingard
F___Jake Stringer_._Josh Kennedy___.Eddie Betts

R__Todd Goldstein____Nat Fyfe_____Dan Hannebery

I___David Mundy__Cyril Rioli__Sam Mitchell__J.P.Kennedy

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Ruck: Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne) – Has been the most outstanding ruckman in the competition. Has not only matched the other best tap ruckmen, but also won plenty of his own possessions. The sole ruckman in the team.

Ruck rover: Nat Fyfe (Fremantle) - An All-Australian last year and one of only a few to have backed up his 2014 form. His first half to 2015 was as good as any, ranking alongside Ablett's first half of 2014. Has been the standout player in the competition.

Rover: Daniel Hannebery (Sydney) – Absolutely brilliant in a year in which the Swans have had their poor patches. Has taken his game to a whole new level.

Wing: Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide) – After three solid years of football, he has been outstanding this season. Easily his most consistent football and that's why his signature will be one of the most sought-after at season's end.

Centre: Matt Priddis (West Coast) – Last year's Brownlow winner who is in better form this year. Should be an automatic selection.

Wing: Andrew Gaff (West Coast) - Has been outstanding. Just a freak runner who is one of the biggest accumulators in the competition. Seems to get possessions at will.

Half-forward flank: Chad Wingard (Port Adelaide) – Has kicked as many goals as any forward in the league in the second half of the year. Although Port haven't been at their best, he has had his best season.

Centre half-forward: Tex Walker (Adelaide) – Started the year really well and despite tough, unforeseen, circumstances, has further developed into one of the game's great forwards and best leaders. He is ranked second for scoreboard impact in the AFL.

Half-forward flank: Dustin Martin (Richmond) – One of the reasons the Tigers are travelling so well. He just doesn't get beaten in one-on-one contests. Is second in the competition for kicks.

Forward pocket: Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs) – Has kicked three or more goals in nine games, which is phenomenal. Has shown he can play anywhere. Powerful athlete. Deserves a spot.

Full-forward: Josh Kennedy (West Coast) – His numbers tell the story. The AFL's leading goalkicker and also ranked No.1 for score impact.

Forward pocket: Eddie Betts (Adelaide) – Ranked No.3 for scoreboard impact, despite having played one fewer game than other players.

Back pocket: Easton Wood (Western Bulldogs) – Leads the competition in intercept marks (69 to date) and really has been a revelation. He clearly reads the ball well and is a big reason why the Bulldogs are where they are.

Fullback: Alex Rance (Richmond) - Another who should go back-to-back in the official team. He's been just as good as last year, if not better. Probably only been beaten three times this year, which says a lot considering the guys he plays on.

Back pocket: Heath Shaw (Greater Western Sydney) – He may be a Collingwood premiership player, but he's easily enjoyed the best year of his career, leading the competition in kicks. He's one of the reasons the Giants are knocking on the door.

Half-back flank: Bob Murphy (Western Bulldogs) – One of the elder statesmen of the team who has enjoyed a career-best year. Superb in the way he has led his young side.

Centre half-back: Michael Hurley (Essendon) – With his team under fire for much of the year, he has been one of the few Bombers who has stood up, consistently.

Half-back flank: Luke Hodge (Hawthorn): He has missed five games through suspension and almost played in every position, but this is where he does the most damage.

Interchange:
David Mundy
(Fremantle) – One of the unsung heroes at the Dockers who has been ultra consistent.
Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn) – Has had the best season of his career. Easily the best 10-15 possession player I have ever seen.
Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) – Continues to rack up possessions and be the best decision maker and ball getter in a powerful outfit.
Josh Kennedy (Sydney) – Backed up his 2014 and has been another consistent performer in the middle of ground.

Captain: Tex Walker (Adelaide) – There are three in the side who captain their respective sides (Hodge, Murphy and Walker), but given the circumstances of what Adelaide went through in the wake of Phil Walsh's death, I gave Walker the nod. It must have taken an enormous toll on the team and on Walker in his first year in the role. He won enormous respect for the way he led the team in the aftermath of that tragedy.

Coach: Luke Beveridge (Western Bulldogs) – Although we know that the All-Australian coach is usually the premiership coach, I'm nominating Beveridge for instilling belief and hope among the Dogs. The club lost last year's best and fairest winner, its CEO, coach and captain, but Beveridge has come in and has the Dogs dreaming of September glories.


* Notable absentees:
Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide), Scot Pendlebury (Collingwood), Jeremy Cameron (GWS), Luke Dahlhaus (Western Bulldogs), Jack Riewoldt (Richmond).
Pretty good effort, Rioli and Hodge the only ones I'm not sold on, and Gray and Pendles are very stiff.
 
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