All Divisions General NFNL Discussion Thread

[10571z]

NFNL need to lead the pack here and give massive $$ increases to umpires.

Why you’d cut payments is beyond me when it’s already hard enough.

clubs seem to be doing well so I’m sure an extra couple of grand to pay umpires properly wouldn’t be an issue

 

[Denny Crane]

NFNL need to lead the pack here and give massive $$ increases to umpires.

Why you’d cut payments is beyond me when it’s already hard enough.

clubs seem to be doing well so I’m sure an extra couple of grand to pay umpires properly wouldn’t be an issue

100% agree. Getting volunteers is near impossible sometimes and trying to get boundary and goal umps for games will be a nightmare.

I think even being practical and having field umps that cannot run out two games be goal ump in game prior / after? Getting double paid has to be attractive if they have the time.

 

[ukurrie]

The cutting of payments for umpires is a Covid thing to ease the costs on clubs. Umpires will be back up to their pre-covid levels next season.

 

[10571z]

The cutting of payments for umpires is a Covid thing to ease the costs on clubs. Umpires will be back up to their pre-covid levels next season.

The salary cap is down, sponsors are back and footy is thriving. Take action now and put it up.

I’ve spoken to three clubs who’s sponsorship is above pre covid and their payments are half.

 

[ukurrie]

The salary cap is down, sponsors are back and footy is thriving. Take action now and put it up.

I’ve spoken to three clubs who’s sponsorship is above pre covid and their payments are half.

Yes, but Covid is not over. With the state of our vaccination program, you'd be brave to suggest there will be no further lockdowns (reduced crowds etc).

 

[10571z]

Wow the umpire numbers situation is seriously bad. Need to double the rate as a starting point.

 

[Wastin time]

Wow the umpire numbers situation is seriously bad. Need to double the rate as a starting point.

Firstly I Understand the difficulty across many leagues with getting in new & retaining umpires , a very challenging job physically & more so mentally..
Leagues coming down really hard on umpire abuse which is fantastic..
As without them , we ALL know ‘There is no game’..
BUT here’s my issue..
When clubs have to supply umpires ,
eg U19s & a lot of Ressies to ( we even had to supply a boundary umpire for a senior game on weekend ) to supply 1 field & 1 goal umpire from each club every week , then these should be paid rolls..
Every club pays fees & every player pays registration , Some clubs even charge players on match days to cover the umpire costs..So clubs should pay the ‘fill ins’ & then be reimbursed by the league..
Not sure how many out there have been there at 9am for U19s footy & who gets there early to watch div3 Ressies , but I can tell you first hand average attendance is very very small , so just finding a team manager , umpire escort , runner can be a challenge let alone being told Friday that you need a boundary & goal umpire to ‘volunteer from each club’ especially hard when your an away team playing at a different oval to your senior affiliate...
So I believe these should be paid positions covered by the league..
Thoughts??

 

[nfnlegend]

Nfnl has sent a memo out stating clubs need fill in umpires (field, goal and boundary) ready for possibly 3 games (ressies, girls and 19s)

A complete diaster and down right dangerous. If someone is whacked behind play are their own club people going to report them or testify against them? Absolutely not.

I’m all for girls football but honestly it’s put a massive strain on Grounds, trainers and umpires.

NFNL take the lead and offer a 50% pay rise. Clubs will take the financial hit instead of relying on god knows who to fill these roles

 

[10571z]

Here you go NFNL...

Announce a $5 match fee per player from now on for umpire raise. Advertise the best rates in the state by a significant amount

Between both games thats $460 extra to pay umpires. Field get a huge raise and hopefully draw some back from retirement

Start promoting all over Latrobe. Surely a uni student would goal umpire for good money?

 

[ukurrie]

The head of umpiring, Cameron Nash, was on the NFNL podcast this week (which also goes out on 88.6 FM on Saturday). He did talk about needing more umps and said that their latest umpiring coaching appointments are from the VFL - ie, so being trained by a level above.

NFNL Podcast

The official podcast of the Northern Football Netball League

player.whooshkaa.com

 

[Denny Crane]

I have now seen it all. The Divisions for U19s are out. 19 teams and 14 get to play finals......lets give everyone a trophy.

Division 1:
Eltham 1
Greensborough
Heidelberg
Montmorency
St Mary's
West Preston-Lakeside

Division 1 will be a final 5 competition and follow the Division 1 Seniors Final Structure

Division 2:
Banyule
Eltham 2
Kilmore
Lower Plenty
Macleod
Mernda
North Heidelberg

Division 2 will be a final 5 competition and follow the Division 2 Seniors Final Structure

Division 3
Bundoora
Diamond Creek
Hurstbridge
Laurimar
South Morang
Whittlesea

Division 3 will be a final 4 competition and follow the Division 3 Seniors Final Structure

 

[Denny Crane]

I have now seen it all. The Divisions for U19s are out. 19 teams and 14 get to play finals......lets give everyone a trophy.

Division 1:
Eltham 1
Greensborough
Heidelberg
Montmorency
St Mary's
West Preston-Lakeside

Division 1 will be a final 5 competition and follow the Division 1 Seniors Final Structure

Division 2:
Banyule
Eltham 2
Kilmore
Lower Plenty
Macleod
Mernda
North Heidelberg

Division 2 will be a final 5 competition and follow the Division 2 Seniors Final Structure

Division 3
Bundoora
Diamond Creek
Hurstbridge
Laurimar
South Morang
Whittlesea

Division 3 will be a final 4 competition and follow the Division 3 Seniors Final Structure

Why have grading when:

Kilmore finish 2nd with 4 wins and have to play Div 2
St Mary's finished 13th (a position above Laurimer in Div 3) and have to play Div 1

 

[workhorse]

I have now seen it all. The Divisions for U19s are out. 19 teams and 14 get to play finals......lets give everyone a trophy.

Two points I dare say have had major influence on this:
1. The league want to avoid large defeats as much as possible - as these drive players out of the game and also can be a catalyst for violence on the field. Typically in 9-10 team Under 19 divisions you will still see quite a few hammerings.
2. $$$$ - an extra division means 4 additional finals which means greater gate takings over the three weeks of Div 3 finals.

To be fair, I can sort of sympathise with point 1, however 19 teams into 3 divisions seems excessive. Although, most of the 19s kids nowadays would have come through the junior ranks playing in 6/7 team comps for majority of their junior career!

19 teams (from 18 clubs) isn't a bad result for the league, it's over 2/3 of the clubs, especially considering there were only 9 under 17 teams in the whole junior comp in 2019. But one has to ask the question, though, how much are the league doing to hold onto kids in their latter junior years and have them progress to U19s? It's a tough ask for clubs, who are run by volunteers, to be expected to do all the leg work with their junior affiliates, especially when you've got paid full-time staff working for the league....

 

[10571z]

I honestly don’t mind it. Keeps teams interested all year. I know a lot of clubs are struggling numbers wise. If you sit on the bottom of the ladder it gets harder and harder. This was you will always be in the hunt.

 

[Denny Crane]

Two points I dare say have had major influence on this:
1. The league want to avoid large defeats as much as possible - as these drive players out of the game and also can be a catalyst for violence on the field. Typically in 9-10 team Under 19 divisions you will still see quite a few hammerings.
2. $$$$ - an extra division means 4 additional finals which means greater gate takings over the three weeks of Div 3 finals.

To be fair, I can sort of sympathise with point 1, however 19 teams into 3 divisions seems excessive. Although, most of the 19s kids nowadays would have come through the junior ranks playing in 6/7 team comps for majority of their junior career!

19 teams (from 18 clubs) isn't a bad result for the league, it's over 2/3 of the clubs, especially considering there were only 9 under 17 teams in the whole junior comp in 2019. But one has to ask the question, though, how much are the league doing to hold onto kids in their latter junior years and have them progress to U19s? It's a tough ask for clubs, who are run by volunteers, to be expected to do all the leg work with their junior affiliates, especially when you've got paid full-time staff working for the league....

Good Points, I am not saying I have the answer as its clearly an issue with Clubs either not working hard to get 19s or we have a cultural shift and need to figure a way ahead (maybe U18s)

I am probably more frustrated that the old days of 3rds, 2nds and 1sts all play on the same day and not everyone needed a trophy.

 

[tasmanlvr]

It is a bit frustrating in a way seeing that we have to play with Div 1/2 clubs which will create some interesting fixtures in terms of away days and what not which could prevent as much game day rapport between 1s/2s/19s as possible but at the same time I can also sympathise with the league trying to do away with blowouts which have become the norm over the years. Kinda a six of one/half a dozen of the other in terms of trying to keep everyone interested in dicey times like these too, it is what it is.

 

[nfnlegend]

What’s everyone’s favourite club songs? Some absolute belters in the NFNL

In no particular order

North Heidelberg
West Heidelberg
Lower Plenty
Old Eltham
Montmorency
Panton Hill

 

[bertybeetle]

Curious to know what will be happening with league fees paid for this round that has been missed and for any future rounds.

I think in order to fix the umpire crisis pass on the costs paid by clubs for the round into the umps as pay rises for the remainder of the season rather than reimbursing it back to the clubs.

A few hundred dollars from each match that wasn’t played to contribute towards future umpire costs would go a long way you would think?

 

[10571z]

Curious to know what will be happening with league fees paid for this round that has been missed and for any future rounds.

I think in order to fix the umpire crisis pass on the costs paid by clubs for the round into the umps as pay rises for the remainder of the season rather than reimbursing it back to the clubs.

A few hundred dollars from each match that wasn’t played to contribute towards future umpire costs would go a long way you would think?

Not the worst idea. Would be at least a show of respect to the umpires to raise them mid year.

 

[Rusted nuts]

Curious to know what will be happening with league fees paid for this round that has been missed and for any future rounds.

I think in order to fix the umpire crisis pass on the costs paid by clubs for the round into the umps as pay rises for the remainder of the season rather than reimbursing it back to the clubs.

A few hundred dollars from each match that wasn’t played to contribute towards future umpire costs would go a long way you would think?

Great suggestion. Perhaps the league could look at raising there payments going forward to entice them to continue and hopefully attract more in the way.

 

[Denny Crane]

Its all over all three threads so thought we could all discuss here in the one. The NFNL WILL go ahead this week.

No Crowds and 19s/Reserves have to leave within a reasonable time after their game.

Very awkward position, I know many will be upset, I know I am, but at a loss what they could do, it should only be for a week. Not perfect but what else could be done.

You can still go to the pub, get pissed and head to a brothel......maybe head to Northland and shop with a few thousand others, but if heading to snow, make sure you up their testing numbers as you have to get one before going.....

Lets just pray its only one week.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not that I know but I would suggest the NFNL will subsidise Clubs for past few weeks as they did not have to pay umpires etc.

Maybe allow Clubs a few extra months to pay their NFNL bills?

You would hope they are considering something.

 

[10571z]

The government is genuinely ****ed.

There is not 1 single outdoor transmission recorded possibly even world wide...

Surely you could say bar and canteen open and no social rooms open at the least...

reserves players have to leave after? Theyve just played what 22 can’t stand around the ground and watch the seniors?


It’s possibly the least risky environment.


Anyway I’ll be heading down with my eski and enjoying a day in the park, might sit down near a local football oval.

 

[kickthething]

The government is genuinely f’ed.

There is not 1 single outdoor transmission recorded possibly even world wide...

Surely you could say bar and canteen open and no social rooms open at the least...

reserves players have to leave after? Theyve just played what 22 can’t stand around the ground and watch the seniors?


It’s possibly the least risky environment.


Anyway I’ll be heading down with my eski and enjoying a day in the park, might sit down near a local football oval.

This. There is zero science in this, it is a decision that seems to be based on “ just because”

 

[Denny Crane]

Anyway I’ll be heading down with my eski and enjoying a day in the park, might sit down near a local football oval.

Don't think you will be on your won there mate.