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[Ry009]

Ok folks. This thread has seen some heated and divisive chat that is taking discussion away from the week to week product. Going forward any WWE vs AEW related discussion should take place here. Examples of this are obviously the CM Punk, Ospreay and Triple H type stuff.

Hot Topic : Tribalism in Wrestling

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[mickelboy182]

People weren’t tuning into the NWO or attitude era at never before seen numbers because they wanted better wrestling matches

I think that is his point...

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

I think that is his point...

Happy to reiterate

 

[Nugett]

People weren’t tuning into the NWO or attitude era at never before seen numbers because they wanted better wrestling matches

One of the main reasons people stopped watching WCW was because of the NWO as it was overdone. . Nitro always started off with a cruiser weight match which featured the likes of Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Lance Storm, Eddie Guerro, Dean Melenko, Billy Kidman ect. So for some people that was a great start.

The attitude era, really kicked off towards the end of the New era, where initially you had Bret Hart, Shawn Micheals, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart, Steve Austin, Undertaker, The Rock and to a lesser extent Davey Boy Smith. guys that could put on a decent match. Smith and Hart sold out Wemberly stadium back in their 92 Summerslam match. Later on you had Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit. So while under Russo, yes there was a lot of car crash tv, inspired by Jerry Springer, but you also had your gems in their as well.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

One of the main reasons people stopped watching WCW was because of the NWO as it was overdone. . Nitro always started off with a cruiser weight match which featured the likes of Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Lance Storm, Eddie Guerro, Dean Melenko, Billy Kidman ect. So for some people that was a great start.

The attitude era, really kicked off towards the end of the New era, where initially you had Bret Hart, Shawn Micheals, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart, Steve Austin, Undertaker, The Rock and to a lesser extent Davey Boy Smith. guys that could put on a decent match. Smith and Hart sold out Wemberly stadium back in their 92 Summerslam match. Later on you had Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit. So while under Russo, yes there was a lot of car crash tv, inspired by Jerry Springer, but you also had your gems in their as well.

Um… Thanks for the history refresher

 

[Nicho50]

I will take the super kicks, monkey flips and somersaults over Hogan’s get beat up, no sell, hulk up and big boot leg drop. Which is slightly better than Nash’s big boot, snake eyes and hair flip. Hall was the only decent wrestler of the three.

Cole I will grant you the super kicks, monkey flips and somersault, the other 2 are a totally different style. Perception is always in the eye of the beholder.

People weren’t tuning in for the match quality they were tuning in for the overall entertainment quality which these days is way way down.

Yeah Hogan and Nash were s**t in the ring but tell you what they are far more memorable than a CM Punk type.

 

[Colonial]

Yeah Hogan and Nash were s**t in the ring but tell you what they are far more memorable than a CM Punk type.

I must of missed where Hogan and Nash got chants even when they weren’t in the building. Or in the business at the time.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

Yeah Hogan and Nash were s**t in the ring but tell you what they are far more memorable than a CM Punk type.

I’ll just leave this here…

 

[Senor M]

One of the main reasons people stopped watching WCW was because of the NWO as it was overdone. . Nitro always started off with a cruiser weight match which featured the likes of Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Lance Storm, Eddie Guerro, Dean Melenko, Billy Kidman ect. So for some people that was a great start.

The attitude era, really kicked off towards the end of the New era, where initially you had Bret Hart, Shawn Micheals, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart, Steve Austin, Undertaker, The Rock and to a lesser extent Davey Boy Smith. guys that could put on a decent match. Smith and Hart sold out Wemberly stadium back in their 92 Summerslam match. Later on you had Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit. So while under Russo, yes there was a lot of car crash tv, inspired by Jerry Springer, but you also had your gems in their as well.

One moment you're discussing 1992, the next you're talking about talent that arrived in 2000.

What happened in the 8 years in between?

 

[JP Sauce]

I’ll just leave this here…

A one night ratings bump and diminishing returns since then. Has also put over zero younger wrestlers.

I get it though, he came back to the biggest offer going and seemingly got full creative control, and that's his prerogative. More power to him.

 

[mickelboy182]

So who are the Jokers tomorrow? Really hoping we get Miro back.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

A one night ratings bump and diminishing returns since then. Has also put over zero younger wrestlers.

I get it though, he came back to the biggest offer going and seemingly got full creative control, and that's his prerogative. More power to him.

“Has put over zero younger wrestlers”

Tell me you don’t watch without telling me you don’t watch…


I’m also interested to know how you know how much money he was offered.


What a post.

 

[Phone]

Joker in the Women’s Owen Cup might be Maki Itoh, since she’s not sticking around for a post-show signing in TJPW (similar to AEW requesting Yuka), plus she has bookings in the US at the end of the month.

of the two, it'd make much more sense for it to be Yamashita who is coming over as well. She's not holding a title at the moment unlike Itoh so no politics and she could kill Baker with one skull kick and get heaps over, and then she can lose to Storm.

but it looks like it'll be Itoh, and I suppose she'll lose via shenanigans, and if Statlander loses to Red Velvet which makes sense for that whole story, we'll have the very fun thing of all 4 woman's matches having the better wrestler lose (plus Yuka not even getting that far). the least they could do is give me a joshi multiman match on Dynamite in the aftermath

 

[Nicho50]

I’ll just leave this here…

There is no doubting Punk is popular and it was a welcome return but comparing CM Punk to Hulk Hogan or the NWO is laughable.

1000% better inside the ring but has had no where near the reach and effect on the industry the other guys did.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

There is no doubting Punk is popular and it was a welcome return but comparing CM Punk to Hulk Hogan or the NWO is laughable.

1000% better inside the ring but has had no where near the reach and effect on the industry the other guys did.

Correct. No current wrestlers do. It’s a very different era.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

I’m thinking the jokers are the Garganos. This does not excite me.

 

[Cleavy]

of the two, it'd make much more sense for it to be Yamashita who is coming over as well. She's not holding a title at the moment unlike Itoh so no politics and she could kill Baker with one skull kick and get heaps over, and then she can lose to Storm.

but it looks like it'll be Itoh, and I suppose she'll lose via shenanigans, and if Statlander loses to Red Velvet which makes sense for that whole story, we'll have the very fun thing of all 4 woman's matches having the better wrestler lose (plus Yuka not even getting that far). the least they could do is give me a joshi multiman match on Dynamite in the aftermath

Miyu is still doing shows in Japan.

 

[mickelboy182]

I’m thinking the jokers are the Garganos. This does not excite me.

Really? I'd be stoked with that but don't see it happening.

 

[Nicho50]

Hopefully it is Miro

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

yeah I’d be happy for them to just stick with what they have for a while.

 

[Nugett]

One moment you're discussing 1992, the next you're talking about talent that arrived in 2000.

What happened in the 8 years in between?

A lot of hits and misses, by both companies.

 

[Nugett]

So who are the Jokers tomorrow? Really hoping we get Miro back.

I’d like it to be Miro, although if it was Cesaro, that would be awesome as well. I’d also be open for Davey Boy Smith jnr as well.

From the women, Ember Moon, would be my main preference. Although they could throw a swerve by making it Shida.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

In saying all that. I’d have a little mark out for Cesaro

 

[mickelboy182]

Spoiler: JOKER

Johnny Elite

swerved me hard... I was super pumped and then super surprised.

 

[Shade]

Another toy Khan will be bored of in a few weeks and he will be on Dark

 

[Shade]

That was not a good showing from Johnny at all sloppy as hell