History All roads lead to Rome; Society of Jesus

[Chameleon75]

Can you explain this interaction between the interviewer and stalin:


Ludwig: But do you not grant the Jesuits any good qualities?

Stalin: Yes, they are methodical and persevering in their work. But the basis of all their methods is spying, prying, peering into people’s souls, to subject them to petty torment.

Was stalin wrong about the jesuit influence on himself?

The interview is bogus Stalin attended the Tiflis Spiritual Seminary, it is and always has been a Russian Orthodox seminary.

You seem to be confusing catholic and orthodox churches, they are in schism, and have been 1054.

 

[baphomet]

The interview is bogus Stalin attended the Tiflis Spiritual Seminary, it is and always has been a Russian Orthodox seminary.

You seem to be confusing catholic and orthodox churches, they are in schism, and have been 1054.

I was unaware the interview with Journalist Emil Ludwig and stalin was a fake.

I have read some sources claiming:

"He graduated in 1892 first in his class and at the age of 14 he was accepted to enter the “Orthodox” Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution to be trained as a Jesuit priest. In spite of contrary history written about the Jesuit run seminary, the Jesuits remained in Russian territory after the order was banned by Alexander I in 1820, maintaining control of several institutions, including the Seminary of Tiflis"

Of course I don't know for sure the validity of these claims, or if the jesuits had a influence on that orthodox school. Chances are you could be right?

Furthermore apparently early stories on stalin claim his family was fairly well off. It would suit the communist narrative to rewrite the history books to claim they were poor.

Stalin however is a minor piece in the overall discussion spanning from the 1500s to today. For example I find it of more interest hitlers claim both he and Lenin were influenced by the jesuits. Although that too could be bogus

 

[Chameleon75]

I was unaware the interview with Journalist Emil Ludwig and stalin was a fake.

I have read some sources claiming:

"He graduated in 1892 first in his class and at the age of 14 he was accepted to enter the “Orthodox” Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution to be trained as a Jesuit priest. In spite of contrary history written about the Jesuit run seminary, the Jesuits remained in Russian territory after the order was banned by Alexander I in 1820, maintaining control of several institutions, including the Seminary of Tiflis"

Of course I don't know for sure the validity of these claims, or if the jesuits had a influence on that orthodox school. Chances are you could be right?

Furthermore apparently early stories on stalin claim his family was fairly well off. It would suit the communist narrative to rewrite the history books to claim they were poor.

Stalin however is a minor piece in the overall discussion spanning from the 1500s to today. For example I find it of more interest hitlers claim both he and Lenin were influenced by the jesuits. Although that too could be bogus

Ludwig did interview Stalin, however I've seen so many different versions of the interview online that I don't have confidence in which one is correct.

The seminary he attended was Russian orthodox, Jesuits are Roman Catholic, they are in schism. The two churches have fought wars, the idea that a Roman Catholic order would have control over an orthodox institution is bizarre.

Stalins fathers grandfather was a prominent figure in the Ananuri uprising and was captured and remanded to be a serf to Prince Eristav.

You seem to be confusing catholic and orthodox churches. Both churches claim to be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

But the church went into the east west schism and have since been two seperate institutions, the west becoming the Roman Catholic Church and the east becoming the orthodox Catholic Church (common name Eastern Orthodox Church), but they are seperate churches today (in the case of orthodox a number of seperate churches in full communion).

 

[baphomet]

Ludwig did interview Stalin, however I've seen so many different versions of the interview online that I don't have confidence in which one is correct.

The seminary he attended was Russian orthodox, Jesuits are Roman Catholic, they are in schism. The two churches have fought wars, the idea that a Roman Catholic order would have control over an orthodox institution is bizarre.

Stalins fathers grandfather was a prominent figure in the Ananuri uprising and was captured and remanded to be a serf to Prince Eristav.

You seem to be confusing catholic and orthodox churches. Both churches claim to be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

But the church went into the east west schism and have since been two seperate institutions, the west becoming the Roman Catholic Church and the east becoming the orthodox Catholic Church (common name Eastern Orthodox Church), but they are seperate churches today (in the case of orthodox a number of seperate churches in full communion).

The jesuits were expelled from russia by the tzar, like many other nations and cities over the course of history.

The jesuits could not removed unless they were originally there. It would be bizarre to think of expelling a group of people unless there was a reason in the mind of the leader.

I do understand the Catholic Church and the russian othodox church are different. I think it's plausible jesuits could attempt to influence non catholic places.

I accept my knowledge of the early life and family of stalin, Seminary of Tiflis is not large and what I have previously read could be wrong. Thanks for the thought provoking reply.

 

[Chameleon75]

The jesuits were expelled from russia by the tzar, like many other nations and cities over the course of history.

The jesuits could not removed unless they were originally there. It would be bizarre to think of expelling a group of people unless there was a reason in the mind of the leader.

I do understand the Catholic Church and the russian othodox church are different. I think it's plausible jesuits could attempt to influence non catholic places.

I accept my knowledge of the early life and family of stalin, Seminary of Tiflis is not large and what I have previously read could be wrong. Thanks for the thought provoking reply.

There was a lot of conflict between Jesuits trying to latinise the orthodox community, it's worth reading up on if your interested, hence the crackdown, these were not peaceful interactions, hence why I find it an implausible theory.

 

[baphomet]

There was a lot of conflict between Jesuits trying to latinise the orthodox community, it's worth reading up on if your interested, hence the crackdown, these were not peaceful interactions, hence why I find it an implausible theory.

A long history of being non peaceful:



1099 - Knights Hospitaller created.

1119 - Knights Templar created, who become the first International Bankers.

1213 - King John of England ratifies the treaty of 1213 surrendering his kingdoms including the City of London to the Pope.

1302 - Pope Boniface VIII issues the Papal Bull Unum Sanctum claiming Papal Supremacy over the Earth.

1312 - Pope Clement V disbands the Knights Templar and transfers their assets including the sovereign City of London to the Knights Hospitallers. The Pope allows a few of the Templars to remain in the Kingdom of Aragon (present day Spain).

1317 - The Aragon Templars regroup under a new military order, the Order of Montesa.

1394 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers is created by the City of London Corporation.

1453 - Constantinople falls to the Muslim Turks.

1492 - The Los Alumbrados is created.

1517 - Martin Luther nails his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the All Saints Church in Wittenberg beginning the Protestant Reformation.

1534 - Ignatius Loyola, a member of the Los Alumbrados is commissioned by Francis Borgia, the great grandson of both Pope Alexander VI and King Ferdinand II of Aragon to create the Society of Jesus modeled on the Knights Templars and the Hashshishin Muslim Assassins. Loyola becomes the first Jesuit Superior General (Black Pope). The Society of Jesus become the sucessors to the Knights Templars, Order of Montesa and Los Alumbrados.

1545-1563 - The Council of Trent is convened by the Catholic Church to condemn the principles and doctrines of Protestantism and the Protestant Reformation including freedom of worship, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of the press and all Protestants are accursed as heretics and liberals. The Jesuit Order is tasked with waging the Counter-Reformation in accordance with their Extreme Oath.

1560 - Geneva Bible is published.

1564-1616 - Illegitimate son of Queen Elizabeth I, Edward DeVere alias "William Shakespeare", becomes the greatest writer in the English language.

1564-1642 - Jesuit Galileo Galilei propagates the lie that the Earth is rotating and revolves around the sun.

1568-1648 - The Jesuits invade the Protestant Netherlands, assassinate William I of Orange and murder 250,000 Dutch Protestants.

1572 - St. Bartholomew's Massacre, 100,000 French Protestants are murdered by the Jesuits.

1600 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers controlled by the City of London Corporation for the Knights Hospitallars create the East India Company.

1605 - The Gunpowder Plot, Jesuit Guy Fawkes attempts to assassinate King James I and the entire assembled British Parliament.

1606 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers create the Virginia Company of London to establish the Virginian plantation on a socialist model, closely resembling communist principles.

1618-1648 - The Thirty Years War, the Jesuits massacre millions of German Protestants.

1641-1651 - The Irish Massacre, The Jesuits murder 300,000 Irish Protestants.

1661 - The East India Company is granted the power to make war with sovereign nations.

1685 - The Jesuits massacre 500,000 French Protestants.

1688 - Englands Glorious Revolution ending the Catholic Stuart dynasty and forbidding the monarch to be a Catholic or marry a Catholic.

1694 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers controlled by the City of London Corporation for the Knights Hospitallers create the Bank of England.

1717 - The First Grand Lodge of Freemasonry is established by Jesuits in England for the purpose of restoring the Stuart dynasty.

1727 - The Knights Hospitallers in Britain establish the Committee of 300 aka The Olympians for control of the City of London Corporation.

1727-1742 - Lutheran composer Johann Sebastian Bach composes his masterpiece "St Matthew Passion".

1742 - Lutheran composer George Frideric Handel composes his masterpiece "Messiah".

1754 - The First 25 degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry are written at the Jesuit College of Clermont.

1768 - The Jesuits are expelled from Malta.

1773 - The British East India Company creates a monopoly on opium in China.

1773 - Pope Clement XIV supresses the Society of Jesus "forever".

1773 - The Jesuits are protected by Freemason Frederick II "the Great" of Lutheran Prussia, Catherine II "the Great" of Orthodox Russia and King George III of Anglican Great Britain.

1774 - Pope Clement XIV is assassinated by the Jesuits.

1776 - The Order of the Illuminati is created by Jesuit Adam Weishaupt as a front organisation for the Jesuits during their supression.

1776 - Weishaupt unites the Jesuits with the Masonic Jewish House of Rothschild.

1776 - United States Declaration of Independence.

1783 - The Treaty of Paris formally ends the American War of Independence.

1786 - Under the directions of the Jesuits King Frederick II of Prussia adds a further 8 degrees to Scottish Rite Freemasonry whilst protecting the Jesuits during their Supression. The last 3 degrees declare Lucifer to be God.

1787 - United States Constitution is written in Philadelphia and submitted to the states for ratification.

1789 - George Washington becomes the first President of the United States.

1789-1815 - The Jesuits ochestrate the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars.

1798 - The Jesuits use Illuminati 33rd degree Freemason Napoleon to exact revenge on the Knights Hospitallers and seize control of Malta.

1799 - Jesuit assassination of George Washington.

1801 - The Jesuits are restored in Russia.

1805 - The Jesuits are restored in America.

1814 - The Jesuits use Napoleon to exact revenge on the Pope, holding Pope Pius VII prisoner, who restores the Jesuit Order, who would now control the Papacy, the Knights Hospitallers and Freemasonry.

1815 - The Jesuits organise the Congress of Vienna with Russia, Prussia, Austria, France and the United Kingdom and create the Holy Alliance.

1820 - Alexander I of Russia expels the Jesuits.

1821 - The Jesuits betray Napoleon confining him to the island of St. Helena in the middle of the South Atlantic Ocean and in due time assassinate him.

1822 - The Holy Alliance establishes the Secret Treaty of Verona declaring war on popular free government.

1823 - In reaction to the Secret Treaty of Verona President James Monroe establishes the Monroe Doctrine stating that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention.

1825 - Leading Jesuits hold a secret meeting in Chieri, Italy and plan for the advancement of Papal power worldwide, the long term goal of world government, the destabilizing of governments who stand in their way and the destruction of Protestantism.

1825 - Jesuit Assassination of Alexander I of Russia.

1832 - The Jesuits create Skull and Bones at Yale University.

1834 - The Knights Hospitallers are renamed the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

1841 - Jesuit assassination of 10th U.S. President William Henry Harrison for enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine.

1844 - French Roman Catholic Eugene Sue publishes his masterpiece "The Wandering Jew".

1848 - Illuminati 33rd Degree Jewish Freemason Karl Marx publishes the Satanic Atheistic Communist Manifesto.

1848 - Revolutions of 1848 in Europe.

1850 - Jesuit assassination of 12th U.S. President Zachary Taylor for enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine.

1853-1856 - Crimean War, Jesuits destroying Orthodox Russia.

1859 - Charles Darwin publishes On the Origin of Species propagating the lie that humans are descended from monkeys.

1861-1865 - The Jesuits instigate the American Civil War controlling both sides.

1865 - 16th President of the United States Abraham Lincoln is assassinated by John Wilkes Booth working on behalf of Jesuit trained John H. Surratt, for his enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine. 17th U.S. President Andrew Johnson was involved in the assassination.

1866 - Austro-Prussian War

1868 - Jesuits seize control of the United States via the Papacy controlling the Knights of Malta, controlling the Committee of 300, controlling Scottish Rite Freemasonry, controlling the City of London Corporation, controlling the Worshipful Company of Mercers, controlling the Bank of England, controlling the 14th Ammendment U.S. Corporation.

 

[Richard Pryor]

A long history of being non peaceful:



1099 - Knights Hospitaller created.

1119 - Knights Templar created, who become the first International Bankers.

1213 - King John of England ratifies the treaty of 1213 surrendering his kingdoms including the City of London to the Pope.

1302 - Pope Boniface VIII issues the Papal Bull Unum Sanctum claiming Papal Supremacy over the Earth.

1312 - Pope Clement V disbands the Knights Templar and transfers their assets including the sovereign City of London to the Knights Hospitallers. The Pope allows a few of the Templars to remain in the Kingdom of Aragon (present day Spain).

1317 - The Aragon Templars regroup under a new military order, the Order of Montesa.

1394 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers is created by the City of London Corporation.

1453 - Constantinople falls to the Muslim Turks.

1492 - The Los Alumbrados is created.

1517 - Martin Luther nails his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the All Saints Church in Wittenberg beginning the Protestant Reformation.

1534 - Ignatius Loyola, a member of the Los Alumbrados is commissioned by Francis Borgia, the great grandson of both Pope Alexander VI and King Ferdinand II of Aragon to create the Society of Jesus modeled on the Knights Templars and the Hashshishin Muslim Assassins. Loyola becomes the first Jesuit Superior General (Black Pope). The Society of Jesus become the sucessors to the Knights Templars, Order of Montesa and Los Alumbrados.

1545-1563 - The Council of Trent is convened by the Catholic Church to condemn the principles and doctrines of Protestantism and the Protestant Reformation including freedom of worship, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of the press and all Protestants are accursed as heretics and liberals. The Jesuit Order is tasked with waging the Counter-Reformation in accordance with their Extreme Oath.

1560 - Geneva Bible is published.

1564-1616 - Illegitimate son of Queen Elizabeth I, Edward DeVere alias "William Shakespeare", becomes the greatest writer in the English language.

1564-1642 - Jesuit Galileo Galilei propagates the lie that the Earth is rotating and revolves around the sun.

1568-1648 - The Jesuits invade the Protestant Netherlands, assassinate William I of Orange and murder 250,000 Dutch Protestants.

1572 - St. Bartholomew's Massacre, 100,000 French Protestants are murdered by the Jesuits.

1600 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers controlled by the City of London Corporation for the Knights Hospitallars create the East India Company.

1605 - The Gunpowder Plot, Jesuit Guy Fawkes attempts to assassinate King James I and the entire assembled British Parliament.

1606 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers create the Virginia Company of London to establish the Virginian plantation on a socialist model, closely resembling communist principles.

1618-1648 - The Thirty Years War, the Jesuits massacre millions of German Protestants.

1641-1651 - The Irish Massacre, The Jesuits murder 300,000 Irish Protestants.

1661 - The East India Company is granted the power to make war with sovereign nations.

1685 - The Jesuits massacre 500,000 French Protestants.

1688 - Englands Glorious Revolution ending the Catholic Stuart dynasty and forbidding the monarch to be a Catholic or marry a Catholic.

1694 - The Worshipful Company of Mercers controlled by the City of London Corporation for the Knights Hospitallers create the Bank of England.

1717 - The First Grand Lodge of Freemasonry is established by Jesuits in England for the purpose of restoring the Stuart dynasty.

1727 - The Knights Hospitallers in Britain establish the Committee of 300 aka The Olympians for control of the City of London Corporation.

1727-1742 - Lutheran composer Johann Sebastian Bach composes his masterpiece "St Matthew Passion".

1742 - Lutheran composer George Frideric Handel composes his masterpiece "Messiah".

1754 - The First 25 degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry are written at the Jesuit College of Clermont.

1768 - The Jesuits are expelled from Malta.

1773 - The British East India Company creates a monopoly on opium in China.

1773 - Pope Clement XIV supresses the Society of Jesus "forever".

1773 - The Jesuits are protected by Freemason Frederick II "the Great" of Lutheran Prussia, Catherine II "the Great" of Orthodox Russia and King George III of Anglican Great Britain.

1774 - Pope Clement XIV is assassinated by the Jesuits.

1776 - The Order of the Illuminati is created by Jesuit Adam Weishaupt as a front organisation for the Jesuits during their supression.

1776 - Weishaupt unites the Jesuits with the Masonic Jewish House of Rothschild.

1776 - United States Declaration of Independence.

1783 - The Treaty of Paris formally ends the American War of Independence.

1786 - Under the directions of the Jesuits King Frederick II of Prussia adds a further 8 degrees to Scottish Rite Freemasonry whilst protecting the Jesuits during their Supression. The last 3 degrees declare Lucifer to be God.

1787 - United States Constitution is written in Philadelphia and submitted to the states for ratification.

1789 - George Washington becomes the first President of the United States.

1789-1815 - The Jesuits ochestrate the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars.

1798 - The Jesuits use Illuminati 33rd degree Freemason Napoleon to exact revenge on the Knights Hospitallers and seize control of Malta.

1799 - Jesuit assassination of George Washington.

1801 - The Jesuits are restored in Russia.

1805 - The Jesuits are restored in America.

1814 - The Jesuits use Napoleon to exact revenge on the Pope, holding Pope Pius VII prisoner, who restores the Jesuit Order, who would now control the Papacy, the Knights Hospitallers and Freemasonry.

1815 - The Jesuits organise the Congress of Vienna with Russia, Prussia, Austria, France and the United Kingdom and create the Holy Alliance.

1820 - Alexander I of Russia expels the Jesuits.

1821 - The Jesuits betray Napoleon confining him to the island of St. Helena in the middle of the South Atlantic Ocean and in due time assassinate him.

1822 - The Holy Alliance establishes the Secret Treaty of Verona declaring war on popular free government.

1823 - In reaction to the Secret Treaty of Verona President James Monroe establishes the Monroe Doctrine stating that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention.

1825 - Leading Jesuits hold a secret meeting in Chieri, Italy and plan for the advancement of Papal power worldwide, the long term goal of world government, the destabilizing of governments who stand in their way and the destruction of Protestantism.

1825 - Jesuit Assassination of Alexander I of Russia.

1832 - The Jesuits create Skull and Bones at Yale University.

1834 - The Knights Hospitallers are renamed the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

1841 - Jesuit assassination of 10th U.S. President William Henry Harrison for enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine.

1844 - French Roman Catholic Eugene Sue publishes his masterpiece "The Wandering Jew".

1848 - Illuminati 33rd Degree Jewish Freemason Karl Marx publishes the Satanic Atheistic Communist Manifesto.

1848 - Revolutions of 1848 in Europe.

1850 - Jesuit assassination of 12th U.S. President Zachary Taylor for enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine.

1853-1856 - Crimean War, Jesuits destroying Orthodox Russia.

1859 - Charles Darwin publishes On the Origin of Species propagating the lie that humans are descended from monkeys.

1861-1865 - The Jesuits instigate the American Civil War controlling both sides.

1865 - 16th President of the United States Abraham Lincoln is assassinated by John Wilkes Booth working on behalf of Jesuit trained John H. Surratt, for his enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine. 17th U.S. President Andrew Johnson was involved in the assassination.

1866 - Austro-Prussian War

1868 - Jesuits seize control of the United States via the Papacy controlling the Knights of Malta, controlling the Committee of 300, controlling Scottish Rite Freemasonry, controlling the City of London Corporation, controlling the Worshipful Company of Mercers, controlling the Bank of England, controlling the 14th Ammendment U.S. Corporation.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

So slave plantations are communist now.

Interdasting.

 

[baphomet]

" Maryland/Georgetown Jesuits were in the top five percent of slaveholders in the United States,


the Jesuits were whipping women, even pregnant women and abused Jesuit slaves built Saint Louis University. Georgetown University sold 272 slaves in 1838.

Roman Catholic Spain and Portugal started the slave trade after they were given permission by a Papal Bull of Pope Nicholas V. The Royal African Company which had a monopoly on the slave trade, was ran by the Catholic Stuarts. It was White Protestants who ended the slave trade in America and England. "

 

[medusala]

The list of sources seems truncated, which is sad, because it's the most riveting aspect of the entire post you have written. Did you clumsily edit this after writing the article? Props for going to all that trouble though. The only thing missing is an index. Are you an unemployed academic?

Short on length, high on quality,

Source:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-campaign-announces-catholic-advisory-group

 

[Pie eyed]

Quotes from VAIII with emphasis added by EJP:

“It was a priest, Father [Bernhardt] Stempfle[who was a member of the Order of Saint Jerome according to Otto Strasser in his Hitler and I], not Hitler, who really wrote Mein Kampf.” {12} [Emphasis added]

• Leo H. Lehmann, 1944
  Irish American Ex-Priest
  Behind the Dictators

“The Fuhrer had come to power, thanks to the votes of the Catholic Zentrum [Center Party overseen by Jesuit Ludwig Kaas], only five years before [1933], but most of the objectives cynically revealed in Mein Kampf were already realized; this book . . . was written by the Jesuit[controlled] Father [Bernhardt] Stempfle and signed by Hitler. For . . . it was the Society of Jesus which perfected the famous Pan-German programme as laid out in this book, and the Fuhrer endorsed it.” {13} [Emphasis added]

• Edmond Paris, 1965
  French Lawyer and Historian
  The Secret History of the Jesuits

(Original source: reddit.com/user/Veritas__Aequitas)

Old news.
The Catholic Church is on the road to Pell.

 

[Pie eyed]

The list of sources seems truncated, which is sad, because it's the most riveting aspect of the entire post you have written. Did you clumsily edit this after writing the article? Props for going to all that trouble though. The only thing missing is an index. Are you an unemployed academic?

Read it all here if you have the patience.

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...ligion and The Death of Utopia quotes&f=false

Or borrow the book from the National Library.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/190818472?selectedversion=NBD52724418

 

[VineyIsLORD]

" Maryland/Georgetown Jesuits were in the top five percent of slaveholders in the United States,


the Jesuits were whipping women, even pregnant women and abused Jesuit slaves built Saint Louis University. Georgetown University sold 272 slaves in 1838.

Roman Catholic Spain and Portugal started the slave trade after they were given permission by a Papal Bull of Pope Nicholas V. The Royal African Company which had a monopoly on the slave trade, was ran by the Catholic Stuarts. It was White Protestants who ended the slave trade in America and England. "

Yes I understand the links between Catholicism and slavery. Its well established as historical fact that far more slaves were taken to Catholic colonies than Protestant ones.

What I don't understand is how you interpret a slave plantation as being an example of Communism.

 

[skilts]

Read it all here if you have the patience.



Or borrow the book from the National Library.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/190818472?selectedversion=NBD52724418

An almost complete lack of interest will militate against me doing either of these things. In a roundabout way, I was trying to point out the site rules against quoting slabs of someone else's writings, without providing any comment, purpose or perspective at all from the poster. I was trying to be a bit gentle with a newbie. Thanks for the links though, all the same.

 

[FredLeDeux]

How on earth did this farrago of insanity escape from the Conspiracies board?

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Opus Dei

 

[baphomet]

Yes I understand the links between Catholicism and slavery. Its well established as historical fact that far more slaves were taken to Catholic colonies than Protestant ones.

What I don't understand is how you interpret a slave plantation as being an example of Communism.

The jesuits are not commies. Yet they have had influence over them historically.

How on earth did this farrago of insanity escape from the Conspiracies board?

Due to it being (largely) factual infomation?Intersting word conspiracy isn't it. Put it this way; I would not like to be the one in charge of deeming what's a conspiracy and what isn't in regard to the american presidential candidates. It can be a grey area at times.

What part are you having trouble with specifically? The existence of the pope or vatican city perhaps

 

[VineyIsLORD]

The jesuits are not commies. Yet they have had influence over them historically.

One of the slabs of text you copied specifically said slave plantations were set up to run as communist societies. I guess you didn't read the stuff you copied.

* me right.

 

[Contra Mundum]

It's been said here quite a few times over the year:the Vatican never met a fascist it didn't love.

I would not go to the conspiracy theories espoused here - you don't have too - the Ustasha imposed a Catholic (and Muslim) theocratic state - the Vatican helped heaps of war criminals escape on Vatican passports and there were Franciscans in Croatian Concentration Camps personally beheading Serbs with axes - The Bishops under Hitler were split but some where full on Nazis - other than that it's all good. Same command structure! Most of the SS were Catholic. The Christ killer role ascribed to Jews in the Gospel of John must take some of the blame as well - the Order of the Mass had "forgive the perfidious Jews" until the papacy of John XXIII. No conspiracy theory is necessary

The stuff BP is peddling is all protestant Illuminati nonsense - don't know why the Jesuits feature so heavily in all that bullshit. Since Pedro Arrupe they have been the most progressive order in the Church

On the Jesuits involvement in the Slave Trade - that much is true. They sold their slaves before the emancipation proclamation and built Fordham University on the West Coast with the proceeds!!!

 

[baphomet]

One of the slabs of text you copied specifically said slave plantations were set up to run as communist societies. I guess you didn't read the stuff you copied.

**** me right.

Read it all yet read many others which span many places and years. After the Lenin and stalin talk just wanted to make sure I understood you.

Don't know much about the period your talking about - I assume the slaves were treat as theoretically commies everyone equal / expendable. With the slave owners (often jesuits), outside of this. A bit like the pigs in Orwells animals farm.

As a contrast look at the modern day bailouts. A sort of eary 'lemon socialism'. Interstingly the jesuits influenced capitalists, communists, fascism without seemingly being too bothered be political leaning.

 

[Contra Mundum]

The jesuits are not commies. Yet they have had influence over them historically.

Ever heard of the Jesuit Reductions in Paraguay or the way the Order has operate

Yes I understand the links between Catholicism and slavery. Its well established as historical fact that far more slaves were taken to Catholic colonies than Protestant ones.

What I don't understand is how you interpret a slave plantation as being an example of Communism.

That was the dispute which formed the basis of the movie the Mission where the Pope split the world in half with half to the Spanish and half to the Portuguese. The Jeremy Irons character was St Roque he built a series of Reductions to save the Guarani and others from slavery. They had democratic government and they where permitted to remain in native dress. In 25 years they had 100K in reductions - that is why the Jesuits were kicked out of South America - they were sitting on a gold mine. After they were kicked out the slave traders came in and sold the people that had lived as free men and women in the reductions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuit_reduction

 

[baphomet]

I would not go to the conspiracy theories espoused here - you don't have too - the Ustasha imposed a Catholic (and Muslim) theocratic state - the Vatican helped heaps of war criminals escape on Vatican passports and there were Franciscans in Croatian Concentration Camps personally beheading Serbs with axes - The Bishops under Hitler were split but some where full on Nazis - other than that it's all good. Same command structure! Most of the SS were Catholic. The Christ killer role ascribed to Jews in the Gospel of John must take some of the blame as well - the Order of the Mass had "forgive the perfidious Jews" until the papacy of John XXIII. No conspiracy theory is necessary

The stuff BP is peddling is all protestant Illuminati nonsense - don't know why the Jesuits feature so heavily in all that bullshit. Since Pedro Arrupe they have been the most progressive order in the Church

On the Jesuits involvement in the Slave Trade - that much is true. They sold their slaves before the emancipation proclamation and built Fordham University on the West Coast with the proceeds!!!

And then many of those nazis transfered directly into the american goverment - "operation paperclip"

 

[Contra Mundum]

And then many of those nazis transfered directly into the american goverment - "operation paperclip"

I can understand an SSColonel like Von Braun but what could a butcher like Ante Pavelic do for them?


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[Long Live HFC]

nothing says intellectual powerhouse like a delicate mastery of control-C control-V.

 

[Chameleon75]

I can understand an SSColonel like Von Braun but what could a butcher like Ante Pavelic do for them?


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Fight against communism, he became a security adviser to the Argentinian government, but the real value I guess would be that he and other Ustashe were collaborating to subvert the Yugoslav government.