List Mgmt. All Trades and Draft Part 2- Draft edition

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Makes sense of Freo since they have lost both their wingers in 1 season they need SOMEONE in the midfield.

according to the All Australian selectors wing isn't a specialist position.

 

[06Premiers]

Makes sense of Freo since they have lost both their wingers in 1 season they need SOMEONE in the midfield.

There's a certain jubilant boy out there waiting for a call & I for one hope he gets it.

 

[Dylan82]

Becoming increasingly evident that clubs don’t rate this draft

I don't blame them either.

Two standouts, a big drop in quality to the next ten and then on par with second rounders from the past two drafts.

Consider this - Kemp with a late-season ACL (likely won't be playing until 2021) is still considered likely to go as a top 10 selection.


It is a particularly deficient draft for key-sized players as well.

Jackson is the only ruck of note. Gould and McAsey the only quality defensive talls. Key forwards are almost entirely absent.

That H.Jones and De Koning are being considered as potential first rounders speaks volumes of how shallow the pool is this year.


The previous selections by the club of Brander and O.Allen are now looking very shrewd indeed.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I really miss HT's wild trades during trade period.

Masto is shit. Waterman is shit. But also...

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Gee Freo are really building a midfield of Spuds! All there to block for Fyfe apparently. Fyfe will most likely win the Brownlow again surrounded by those spuds whose only job is to make him look good. Who will take votes off him.....?

 

[Obeanie1]

If all it's costing is basically salary, that's essentially a swing at a free agent who isn't officially a free agent.

The token pick exchange is nothing for such a low risk high reward thing

Hawks need a forward so Sicily can stay in the backline, if Patton gets fit it's a total steal. 2nd or 3rd would've been fairer IMO.

Patton isn't low risk he is low cost.

After 3 knee recos there is a high risk he won't be up to the fitness levels to play AFL. He would have lost a fair amount of mobility not to mention confidence in his body.

If the guy had never been injured and was fully fit do you think he would have been traded for a 4th rounder?

 

[boondy]

If he’s not apart of the Hill Trade, would a future third do it? Keep in mind I have no knowledge on Acres, so I’m not sure how the Saints rate him.

Supporters on st kilda board 2017 would not consider a straight swap Acres for Gaff . Then Gaff had an awsome 2018 pre-jawgate .

 

[Obeanie1]

Surely it's the biggest trade in AFL history in terms of pure pick count.

2 x 1st round picks and 2 x 2nd rounds picks for a player + 3rd pick.

Two 3rd rounders. 2019 and 2020.

 

[Avalor]

I think St Kilda might ask for that, given he's contracted. 46 is more valuable to us as our first hand in the draft, so it probably is overs.

St Kilda might consider giving him away for cheap to clear some salary cap. They still have to get Zac Jones.

What you suggested would be more fair though.



I think Worpel is the exception, rather than the rule. TBH I think we're less likely to get someone better than Acres with that pick.

I would do Acres for 46.

 

[Obeanie1]

Kelly, Yeo, Shuey, gaff, sheed and redden all ahead of him in the midfield

Hutchings fighting with Cameron, Petruccelle and hopefully Venables for the last 2 forward spots.

Hutch v Nelson as the tagger / defensive winger.

Would like Watson developed in that role as well.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Fyfe is 29 next year and Mundy should already be playing masters over 40s

Freos potential starting mid in a couple years
C. Menedue Conca Acres
Foll. Darcy Brayshaw Tucker
Coach. Tony Galati

 

[Rowan18]

I don't blame them either.

Two standouts, a big drop in quality to the next ten and then on par with second rounders from the past two drafts.

Consider this - Kemp with a late-season ACL (likely won't be playing until 2021) is still considered likely to go as a top 10 selection.


It is a particularly deficient draft for key-sized players as well.

Jackson is the only ruck of note. Gould and McAsey the only quality defensive talls. Key forwards are almost entirely absent.

That H.Jones and De Koning are being considered as potential first rounders speaks volumes of how shallow the pool is this year.


The previous selections by the club of Brander and O.Allen are now looking very shrewd indeed.

But but but ... we need more mids!

We have smashed the last few drafts and bringing in Kelly has given us some breathing space to draft mids in the next few years (or maybe we will just continue trading like we did with Yeo, Redden and Kelly).

 

[new breed]

Hill worth pick 10 , future 2020 second Rd pick , pick 58 from Geelong for Stevens + Acres by the sounds of it .

Probably fair

 

[Keys]

A common criticism/perception is that we’re soft in trade negotiations but go through the players we’ve traded in over the past decade and tell me which ones you wouldn’t do again in a heartbeat

Trades In :

2019
Tim Kelly - Picks 14,24,33 and a future 1st with pick 52 and a future 3rd (Geelong) coming back

2018
Tom Hickey - 39 for 61 and our future 4th for saints future 4th

2017
Brendan Achee - our future 3rd with Hawthorns future 4th coming back to us

2016
Sam Mitchell - Pick 88 and 52 for 54, 70 for 72
Nathan Vardy - Pick 72

2015
Jack Redden - Pick 17
Lewis Jetta - Callum Sinclair
Jonathan Giles - Pick 57 for 62

2013
Eliot Yeo - Pick 28

2012
Sharrod Wellingham - Pick 18
Cale Morton - Pick 88
Jamie Cripps - Picks 40 and 43 for 45

2011
Josh Hill - Pick 49

Kelly is quality and only time will tell if we gave up too much

Wellingham is the main one that stands out particularly since Collingwood drafted Grundy with that pick. However, with Naitanui, Cox and Lycett on our list at the time we were unlikely to pick him anyway and besides Grundy there’s not much of anything in later picks to say we missed a gun, or even a solid player. McIntosh at 31 probably the best of them

As for trading players out there isn’t much evidence

Traded Out :

2015
Callum Sinclair - Lewis Jetta
Matt Rosa - Pick 31 (Tom Cole)

2012
Koby Stevens - Pick 43 (Brant Colledge)
Lewis Stevenson - Pick 88 (Ontraded for Cale Morton)

2011
Brad Ebert - Picks 28 (Fraser McInnes) and 49 for 45 (Ontraded for Josh Hill)

Free Agents

2018
Scott Lycett (End of 1st round compensation - split into picks to draft Xavier O’Neill and Bailey Williams)

2015
Scott Selwood (2nd Round compensation - used with existing 2nd rounder (36&37) for 23 - Luke Partington)

2012
Quinten Lynch (3rd round compensation - Mark Hutchings)

Five players traded out, including Stevenson who was a likely delisting anyway, and 3 free agents lost in a decade is quite remarkable player retention. Other than us getting eberted by Port we did ok out of trades for Stevens, Rosa and Sinclair

Really it’s a myth that we don’t trade hard enough but our deals are more reflective of a club that identifies a player and then ensures it gets the trade done, usually with a minimum of fuss. The attempted trade for Kelly last year is the only time I can think of when we’ve failed to come to an agreement with another club

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Big fan of Freo going the North Melbourne ‘quantity over quality’ all vanilla approach to list building.

Get in as many big bodied grunts ti do the heavy lifting, carving space and paving the way for all of the....other big bodied grunts to get the ball in space??

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

A common criticism/perception is that we’re soft in trade negotiations but go through the players we’ve traded in over the past decade and tell me which ones you wouldn’t do again in a heartbeat

Trades In :

2019
Tim Kelly - Picks 14,24,33 and a future 1st with pick 52 and a future 3rd (Geelong) coming back

2018
Tom Hickey - 39 for 61 and our future 4th for saints future 4th

2017
Brendan Achee - our future 3rd with Hawthorns future 4th coming back to us

2016
Sam Mitchell - Pick 88 and 52 for 54, 70 for 72
Nathan Vardy - Pick 72

2015
Jack Redden - Pick 17
Lewis Jetta - Callum Sinclair
Jonathan Giles - Pick 57 for 62

2013
Eliot Yeo - Pick 28

2012
Sharrod Wellingham - Pick 18
Cale Morton - Pick 88
Jamie Cripps - Picks 40 and 43 for 45

2011
Josh Hill - Pick 49

Kelly is quality and only time will tell if we gave up too much

Wellingham is the main one that stands out particularly since Collingwood drafted Grundy with that pick. However, with Naitanui, Cox and Lycett on our list at the time we were unlikely to pick him anyway and besides Grundy there’s not much of anything in later picks to say we missed a gun, or even a solid player. McIntosh at 31 probably the best of them

As for trading players out there isn’t much evidence

Traded Out :

2015
Callum Sinclair - Lewis Jetta
Matt Rosa - Pick 31 (Tom Cole)

2012
Koby Stevens - Pick 43 (Brant Colledge)
Lewis Stevenson - Pick 88 (Ontraded for Cale Morton)

2011
Brad Ebert - Picks 28 (Fraser McInnes) and 49 for 45 (Ontraded for Josh Hill)

Free Agents

2018
Scott Lycett (End of 1st round compensation - split into picks to draft Xavier O’Neill and Bailey Williams)

2015
Scott Selwood (2nd Round compensation - used with existing 2nd rounder (36&37) for 23 - Luke Partington)

2012
Quinten Lynch (3rd round compensation - Mark Hutchings)

Five players traded out, including Stevenson who was a likely delisting anyway, and 3 free agents lost in a decade is quite remarkable player retention. Other than us getting eberted by Port we did ok out of trades for Stevens, Rosa and Sinclair

Really it’s a myth that we don’t trade hard enough but our deals are more reflective of a club that identifies a player and then ensures it gets the trade done, usually with a minimum of fuss. The attempted trade for Kelly last year is the only time I can think of when we’ve failed to come to an agreement with another club

Great post. Would do all of them again.

Also didn't realise losing the Q gifted us the Hutch. The job he did on Sidebottom makes losing my favourite player less traumatic

Thanks Collingwood

 

[Biggie]

2013
Eliot Yeo - Pick 28

How good is this one though?

 

[navi_]

I really rate Acres think his upside is massive

I reckon he will be the one we look back and say he's what made the eventual trade a definitive win for freo.

 

[06Premiers]

A common criticism/perception is that we’re soft in trade negotiations but go through the players we’ve traded in over the past decade and tell me which ones you wouldn’t do again in a heartbeat

Trades In :

2019
Tim Kelly - Picks 14,24,33 and a future 1st with pick 52 and a future 3rd (Geelong) coming back

2018
Tom Hickey - 39 for 61 and our future 4th for saints future 4th

2017
Brendan Achee - our future 3rd with Hawthorns future 4th coming back to us

2016
Sam Mitchell - Pick 88 and 52 for 54, 70 for 72
Nathan Vardy - Pick 72

2015
Jack Redden - Pick 17
Lewis Jetta - Callum Sinclair
Jonathan Giles - Pick 57 for 62

2013
Eliot Yeo - Pick 28

2012
Sharrod Wellingham - Pick 18
Cale Morton - Pick 88
Jamie Cripps - Picks 40 and 43 for 45

2011
Josh Hill - Pick 49

Kelly is quality and only time will tell if we gave up too much

Wellingham is the main one that stands out particularly since Collingwood drafted Grundy with that pick. However, with Naitanui, Cox and Lycett on our list at the time we were unlikely to pick him anyway and besides Grundy there’s not much of anything in later picks to say we missed a gun, or even a solid player. McIntosh at 31 probably the best of them

As for trading players out there isn’t much evidence

Traded Out :

2015
Callum Sinclair - Lewis Jetta
Matt Rosa - Pick 31 (Tom Cole)

2012
Koby Stevens - Pick 43 (Brant Colledge)
Lewis Stevenson - Pick 88 (Ontraded for Cale Morton)

2011
Brad Ebert - Picks 28 (Fraser McInnes) and 49 for 45 (Ontraded for Josh Hill)

Free Agents

2018
Scott Lycett (End of 1st round compensation - split into picks to draft Xavier O’Neill and Bailey Williams)

2015
Scott Selwood (2nd Round compensation - used with existing 2nd rounder (36&37) for 23 - Luke Partington)

2012
Quinten Lynch (3rd round compensation - Mark Hutchings)

Five players traded out, including Stevenson who was a likely delisting anyway, and 3 free agents lost in a decade is quite remarkable player retention. Other than us getting eberted by Port we did ok out of trades for Stevens, Rosa and Sinclair

Really it’s a myth that we don’t trade hard enough but our deals are more reflective of a club that identifies a player and then ensures it gets the trade done, usually with a minimum of fuss. The attempted trade for Kelly last year is the only time I can think of when we’ve failed to come to an agreement with another club

That's actually amazing we've lost so few players.

Some clubs (GC, GWS, Freo, Adelaide) have lost the same amount of players in 1 trade period!

 

[Art OF war]

I just had 2 Tim Tams.

And a Mento?

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

is it a requirement that we use 3 picks in the draft each year?

Are we going to go after another pick?

 

[Wild Kelly]

I would do Acres for 46.

Dollars?

 

[FKASC]

Hill worth pick 10 , future 2020 second Rd pick , pick 58 from Geelong for Stevens + Acres by the sounds of it .

Probably fair

Big win for freo imo

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He would be decent on a wing but he would cost 350-400 to move over id say.

The question for Acres is how he'll develop at a different club, and would he flourish at a better club with a better midfield group. I think we'll never know now.

 

[Numero Uno]

freo need Acres to harvest more potatoes