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The politics was spot on, the policy was unpopular in the SMH echo chamber of safe Labor/Green seats in the inner city and safe Liberal seats on the Lower North Shore.

In marginal seats where the election was going to be decided people were generally ambivalent. In fact, Labor's opposition became a symbol of their decision to cancel a number of infrastructure projects versus the government's message that they were getting on with the job.

The result last Saturday proved it, stadiums didn't change one seat.

I'm surprised Michael Daley didn't make his concession speech outside Allianz such was the amount of time he spent out the front of it. Labor even had a livestream of the stadium on their website such was their deluded obsession.

But people should keep telling us that Kayla Murnain and Bruce Hawker are political geniuses....lol.
Naah It was wrong.

The problem was it's still too soon to present a labour leader from the NSW right to the people.
 

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Probably never?



If it were a good business plan the SCG Trust wouldn't need the NSW Government to be the debtor.

Are you a SCG member?

The plan to make a Trust who make an operating surplus of on average $1.5 million per year repay a $644 million loan over 35 years was a complete joke.

The only way they could possibly do that would be by engineering a major increase in operating revenues.

You'd be paying $15 for a beer and $10 for a pie, the idea that taxpayers wouldn't pay a cent was farcical.
 
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Still a better surface than the SCG last week.
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What I have never understood is why the capacity has to be 45 000 when they hardly ever get a crowd that high, unless it's a major final or international rugby test match. Homebush can hold more people for those games. SFS should be the capacity of Bankwest Stadium or marginally higher. That might actually help them get it done within the stated cost.
 
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What I have never understood is why the capacity has to be 45 000 when they hardly ever get a crowd that high, unless it's a major final or international rugby test match. Homebush can hold more people for those games. SFS should be the capacity of Bankwest Stadium or marginally higher. That might actually help them get it done within the stated cost.
With ANZ being the supposed flag ship rectangle stadium for thw bug events you will find most supporters of Sydney FC, Roosters and Waratahs would prefer a 25k rectangle stadium.

Problem is The Trust wants the 45k.
 
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So even if Labor were wrong about the previous structure being able to be refurbished easily, they were exactly right about the trust being a malignant cancer on public finances.
I do think the stadium needed a rebuild with regards to safety concerns.

I also think 45k is a ridiculous size and not needed for its intended purpose.

25k would of been perfect. ******* trust.
 
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Will new Sydney Football Stadium suit Sydney FC

Tom Smithies, The Daily Telegraph

December 6, 2019 9:15pm

The state government is set to appoint a construction firm for the rebuild of the Sydney Football Stadium by Christmas but serious concerns are growing that the result will be a $729 million white elephant.

As Sydney FC host another fixture at Kogarah’s Jubilee Oval on Saturday night, questions are being asked of whether the Sky Blues would be better sited at a smaller venue than the SFS long term, if the new stadium is built in a way that means it is almost always two-thirds empty and devoid of atmosphere for all of its tenants.
After Lend Lease walked away in July, either Multiplex and John Holland will be appointed in the next fortnight to build the new stadium, The Daily Telegraph understands.

But the design as it stands will not have the capability to screen off part of the 45,000-seat venue – switching between so-called “club mode” and “championship mode” - even though its tenants all average regular season crowds around 15,000.

This newspaper has been told that without it, Sydney FC may have to question whether the SFS is the right venue long term, after the success of hosting games at Jubilee and Leichhardt Ovals.
Currently the Sky Blues will have just four years of their existing tenancy agreement left when the stadium is due to be finished in 2022.
All tenants were initially promised by the SCG Trust, which runs the SFS, that an option such as an LED curtain to cover the upper tiers would be included in the design. The Roosters told The Daily Telegraph they still consider it “fundamentally important” to the design.
But the rebuild is out of the Trust’s hands, being overseen by Infrastructure NSW, and the curtain option was dropped by the government to save some $46m.

Infrastructure NSW says that “the stadium’s roof and upper tier is being designed to permit the future installation of a club mode curtain” – but the fear is that persuading government to spend money on a curtain years after the stadium is built will be much harder.

“The LED curtain was a key feature to the original design of the stadium that we supported,” said Roosters CEO Joe Kelly. “In the context of our regular crowds and creating the best possible match day experience, the inclusion of this technology is fundamentally important.
“It would be a shame if we didn’t include this capability considering the cost when amortised over the life of the new stadium.”
Sydney FC CEO Danny Townsend would not be drawn on the question of a curtain, but said: “The experience of hosting our games in smaller venues has been excellent so far and we’ve been able to provide our members with a fantastic atmosphere and family feel in each, mixed with the type of social occasion and event traditional football fans desire.
“But at the same time we are looking forward to moving back into our brand new, world class stadium at Moore Park which will have modern, state of the art facilities and the latest in technological advancements, providing our members with a world class fan experience.”

Stadiums in the MLS have shown what architects say are relatively simple ways to shrink the stadium visually. The Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta has a capacity of more than 71,000 but that can be cut to 42,500 thanks to a series of vertical LED curtains that drop down from the roof and cover the upper bowl of seats.
Similarly at BC Place in Vancouver, home of the White Caps, horizontal winches can extend a series of drapes over the lower bowl to create a secondary roof over the lower bowl of seating. These were retro-fitted less than a decade ago when the stadium’s inflatable roof was replaced.
Bill Johnson is design principal for HOK, a global architecture practice that led the Mercedes Benz Stadium design. He told The Daily Telegraph that the need to have a smaller-scale mode was added to the brief quite late in the design process once Arthur Blank, owner of the Atlanta Falcons NFL team, decided to bid of an MLS franchise that became Atlanta United.

The solution was a “scrim”, similar to the gauze backdrops used in theatres to project images onto but in this case made of an LED mesh.
“We already knew it was important to design a multipurpose venue, so we’d thought about factors such as the premium seating being accessible even in a smaller mode,” Johnson said.
“Everything we design is predicated on scalability. It mostly is to do with the visuals of the stadium, the seat colour, using lighting to de-emphasise seats you might not use.

“But we used a suspended ‘scrim’ from the roof to the front edge of the upper bowl, which becomes an opportunity to display the logo of the club or a sponsor.
“It’s pretty straightforward technology, it operates in the way a scrim does in a theatre. It’s not a great technological challenge and it’s much cheaper and simpler than retracting seats, which is the only other way of reducing the scale of a stadium.”
 

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But the design as it stands will not have the capability to screen off part of the 45,000-seat venue – switching between so-called “club mode” and “championship mode” - even though its tenants all average regular season crowds around 15,000.
This is just insane, and it shows the horrendously poor planning of the NSW government. There's no need for this stadium to be any bigger than Western Sydney Stadium, any bigger events can simply be moved to Homebush. At minimum this needs to suit the actual, day-to-day use of the stadium rather than catering only to the biggest events. Homebush could probably use those curtains too, that way it wouldn't look so tragic when the Bulldogs get a crowd of 8000 in a stadium seating 80 000.
 
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This is just insane, and it shows the horrendously poor planning of the NSW government. There's no need for this stadium to be any bigger than Western Sydney Stadium, any bigger events can simply be moved to Homebush. At minimum this needs to suit the actual, day-to-day use of the stadium rather than catering only to the biggest events. Homebush could probably use those curtains too, that way it wouldn't look so tragic when the Bulldogs get a crowd of 8000 in a stadium seating 80 000.
It's simple.

Transplant Bankwest design and size to Moore Park and paint it Sky Blue. (Hell even 25k would be perfect).

80k ANZ for the main events for the rectangle sports.


******* Trust.
 
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With ANZ being the supposed flag ship rectangle stadium for thw bug events you will find most supporters of Sydney FC, Roosters and Waratahs would prefer a 25k rectangle stadium.

Problem is The Trust wants the 45k.
ITs silly. Get the 25k. Sydney FC struggles with numbers and it doesn’t look nice on TV.

Far out the NSW government has stuffed this big time. Thinking way ahead of schedule and now will be huge budget blow outs
 

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Far out the NSW government has stuffed this big time. Thinking way ahead of schedule and now will be huge budget blow outs
Not only have they stuffed the stadium, they don't seem to have realised what the real issue behind low attendance was. It wasn't because the stadium was old, it was because access in and out was so terrible that people stayed away. And yet their new metro line will go to the next suburb over but not to Moore Park. Meanwhile their grand plan for a transport solution was the light rail, which is extremely slow, has a lower capacity and cost a fortune to build. It boggles the mind how badly they can stuff up.
 

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Not only have they stuffed the stadium, they don't seem to have realised what the real issue behind low attendance was. It wasn't because the stadium was old, it was because access in and out was so terrible that people stayed away. And yet their new metro line will go to the next suburb over but not to Moore Park. Meanwhile their grand plan for a transport solution was the light rail, which is extremely slow, has a lower capacity and cost a fortune to build. It boggles the mind how badly they can stuff up.

Another reason was that the NRL would purposely schedule NRL matches against AFL matches so there was maximum disruption.
This seem to affect the NRL crowds more. Either that or the NRL fans weren't interested.
I know of a number of NRL fans that were attracted by all the commotion coming from the SCG and would watch the last quarter.
Eventually they switched to AFL. You have to laugh.
 
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