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Pessimistic said:
Subiaco had the issues Bellerive has. Hence they built elsewhere. It’s a whole solution not a partial one
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That is true. A new location would have a greater vision. Just like moving away from Subiaco Oval to Perth Stadium.

But as much of a sh!tho!e that Subiaco Oval was, it did the job for over 30years for the AFL teams. A Tasmanian AFL team hasn’t even been created yet.

But, Perth Stadium has:
• 22 home and away games and on average 1 final a year.
• WAFL grand final.
• 7 BBL games.
• Australia ODI cricket.
• Australia test match (5 days).
• on average 1 big rugby game each year (State of Origin or Wallabies).
• Other random events like A-League Grand Final, English Premier League team visits, concerts etc.

Perth Stadium would host atleast 40 event days in a year. Arguably worth the $1.6b cost of moving away from Subiaco Oval.

Hobart however might have:

• 6 out of 11 AFL games.
• TFL grand final.
• 4 out of 7 BBL games.
• Australia ODI game.
• Occasional AFL or BBL final.
• Hopefully some extra events.

Hobart would be struggling to have 15 event days in a year. That makes it really hard to spend $350m on a new roofless stadium ($750m with a roof), let alone the additional cost for transport infrastructure etc. And would cricket move away from Bellerive Oval?

Upgrades to Bellerive Oval for about $150m (house purchases, new grand stand, forecourt and bus station), would be a much more reasonable expense. And also makes better value for money for the recent upgrades to the western stand that have already been done. Atleast until the Tasmanian team can establish itself, and prove such a new venue is needed, and an appropriate capacity?

For example, what if the new stadium is built, the new Tasmanian AFL team comes in, and the venue is way too small for the crowd demand. There is no way they would spend money on increasing it’s size.
 
Hobart has a little over 200,000 people, Launceston is a decent way behind with just under 70,000. Obviously this means more games should be played in Hobart in regards to every sport Tasmania has a team for, which at present is just cricket and basketball if I'm not mistaken. The whole two city thing in Tassie supposedly means they don't want the team to be bound to just one city, but I live in Melbourne so I can't vouch for whether that's an overstated thing. But if the worry is about building major infrastructure in Hobart that won't be used as much as an Optus Stadium for example, you have to brudge the gap between cities that are 2.5 hours apart. Ideally Australia would have invested in high speed rail by now, our mainland is really perfect for a high speed rail system between the major cities, and it would be able to build up the cities along the rail line. If we'd had the mainland as a case study we could look at the feasibility of linking Hobart and Launceston in a way that means only one of the cities (Hobart) needs to have the major infrastructure for footy. UTAS Stadium obviously needs some polish to it, I think the grandstands are all temporary ones, but building a really nice stadium in Hobart and simply redeveloping UTAS to be modern and serviceable is probably the best course of action. Yes it'll be a money hole for some time, but a Tassie side is an investment for the game before the sport loses people to other codes which is already happening in Tassie where we see hardly any kids drafted to the AFL.
 

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Fizzler said:
Hobart has a little over 200,000 people, Launceston is a decent way behind with just under 70,000. Obviously this means more games should be played in Hobart in regards to every sport Tasmania has a team for, which at present is just cricket and basketball if I'm not mistaken. The whole two city thing in Tassie supposedly means they don't want the team to be bound to just one city, but I live in Melbourne so I can't vouch for whether that's an overstated thing. But if the worry is about building major infrastructure in Hobart that won't be used as much as an Optus Stadium for example, you have to brudge the gap between cities that are 2.5 hours apart. Ideally Australia would have invested in high speed rail by now, our mainland is really perfect for a high speed rail system between the major cities, and it would be able to build up the cities along the rail line. If we'd had the mainland as a case study we could look at the feasibility of linking Hobart and Launceston in a way that means only one of the cities (Hobart) needs to have the major infrastructure for footy. UTAS Stadium obviously needs some polish to it, I think the grandstands are all temporary ones, but building a really nice stadium in Hobart and simply redeveloping UTAS to be modern and serviceable is probably the best course of action. Yes it'll be a money hole for some time, but a Tassie side is an investment for the game before the sport loses people to other codes which is already happening in Tassie where we see hardly any kids drafted to the AFL.
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For the level of Government support the AFL want (I note Qld & NSW governments put next to nothing into their expansion teams) then the team has to answer the political needs of the Government.

In Tassies case, its the tourism aspect, its the social equity/benefit aspect, & its the Governments own political benefit as well. To answer those 'needs', it has to be a whole of state/two city team. That now applies to the NBL & BBL teams too it seems. (1st class cricket needs specific infrastructure that cant be provided in two places so I'd suggest it'll remain at Bellerive for the foreseeable future ).

High speed rail is amazing. Having whizzed around parts of Europe, its well suited to big cities/populations that are fairly close. I dont think we have the population & proximity of cities to justify the huge set up costs. Most definitely not in Tasmania. Anyway the experts & pork barrelling politicians can figure that one out.
 
kranger said:
Perth Stadium would host atleast 40 event days in a year. Arguably worth the $1.6b cost of moving away from Subiaco Oval.

Hobart would be struggling to have 15 event days in a year. That makes it really hard to spend $350m on a new roofless stadium ($750m with a roof), let alone the additional cost for transport infrastructure etc.
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So Perth comes out at roughly $40m per event day per year. If we're looking at Hobart on a proportional basis, with the same cost per event day per year, it'd be anywhere between $400m (10 event days per year) and $600m (15 event days per year). That sounds like a reasonable figure, especially when you consider the cost of construction has increased massively even in the past year, let alone in the time since 2014. So if they went a little over $600m it's understandable. All that means is the CBD stadium plan has to be scaled down a little.

kranger said:
Upgrades to Bellerive Oval for about $150m (house purchases, new grand stand, forecourt and bus station), would be a much more reasonable expense. And also makes better value for money for the recent upgrades to the western stand that have already been done. Atleast until the Tasmanian team can establish itself, and prove such a new venue is needed, and an appropriate capacity?
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So you're suggesting $150m be spent on upgrades, and then want to build a completely new stadium? Are you serious? That's just flushing money down the toilet. If there's any idea of moving ground, then let that western stand upgrade be the last one.

I'm sure it's been mentioned many times in this thread that Bellerive has unavoidable issues with getting people in and out due to its location and surrounding area. Fixing that problem requires nothing less than total area redevelopment, which in total would be much more costly than the price of a new stadium. Otherwise, it wouldn't just be the stadium sitting unused most days, but the transport infrastructure too.

This wouldn't be an issue with a CBD stadium as any transport infrastructure would get used reasonably well 365 days a year there. A new stadium nearby might even provide more impetus for them to finally build the light rail system that has been discussed for over a decade, also.
 
Johnny Bananas said:
So Perth comes out at roughly $40m per event day per year. If we're looking at Hobart on a proportional basis, with the same cost per event day per year, it'd be anywhere between $400m (10 event days per year) and $600m (15 event days per year). That sounds like a reasonable figure, especially when you consider the cost of construction has increased massively even in the past year, let alone in the time since 2014. So if they went a little over $600m it's understandable. All that means is the CBD stadium plan has to be scaled down a little.


So you're suggesting $150m be spent on upgrades, and then want to build a completely new stadium? Are you serious? That's just flushing money down the toilet. If there's any idea of moving ground, then let that western stand upgrade be the last one.

I'm sure it's been mentioned many times in this thread that Bellerive has unavoidable issues with getting people in and out due to its location and surrounding area. Fixing that problem requires nothing less than total area redevelopment, which in total would be much more costly than the price of a new stadium. Otherwise, it wouldn't just be the stadium sitting unused most days, but the transport infrastructure too.

This wouldn't be an issue with a CBD stadium as any transport infrastructure would get used reasonably well 365 days a year there. A new stadium nearby might even provide more impetus for them to finally build the light rail system that has been discussed for over a decade, also.
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Agreed, And what would be the point when UTAS stadium can already be the interim one? 8-3 split until new Hobart
 
Pessimistic said:
Agreed, And what would be the point when UTAS stadium can already be the interim one? 8-3 split until new Hobart
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The concern there is, will fans in Launceston take well to dropping from 8 games a year to 4-5? Can the team reasonably be based out of Hobart if they only play 3 games a year in the city? If not, will players actually want to live in Launceston? It's only got 80-90 000 people.
 
Johnny Bananas said:
The concern there is, will fans in Launceston take well to dropping from 8 games a year to 4-5? Can the team reasonably be based out of Hobart if they only play 3 games a year in the city? If not, will players actually want to live in Launceston? It's only got 80-90 000 people.
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Yep .....have moved on from these infantile conversations. It will be a state team.
 

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magpiemaniac44 said:
Looks like they have new seats at Blundstone Arena
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Looks much better too imo. This colour scheme is pretty good.
 
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