Andrew Gaff hit on Brayshaw

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Wtf dude. What I am saying that just because you cant do it at any random job, doesnt mean you cant do it in a footy game.
Who gives a shit if you would get fired from punching someone at work. Thats so irrelevant in everyway.
Footy is a contact sport, some random office job is not.
Yes, and when you sign up to play footy you accept that you will be tackled, bumped, blocked, pushed etc and there is a risk of physical injury.

When you sign up to play footy, though, you don't sign up to cop a haymaker to the chin off the ball.

When I roll up to my office job I don't sign up to be tackled, pushed or accept any physical contact.

It's not that complicated - just because it's a contact sport, quite obviously it doesn't mean that anything goes.
 

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Yes, and when you sign up to play footy you accept that you will be tackled, bumped, blocked, pushed etc and there is a risk of physical injury.

When you sign up to play footy, though, you don't sign up to cop a haymaker to the chin off the ball.

When I roll up to my office job I don't sign up to be tackled, pushed or accept any physical contact.

It's not that complicated - just because it's a contact sport, quite obviously it doesn't mean that anything goes.
Apparently it is fairly complicated for you. In an office job you expect 0 contact, any physical contact past a pat on the back is grounds for firing.
Footy is different, you expect to get tackled, bumped, crunched whatever. Getting small jabs to the chest and such arent part of the game but are to be expected. Serious incidents like this arent firable offences in AFL but instead just weeks off.

The guy I replied to said they would be fired if they did what Gaff did. My point was that is such a useless comparison, not whatever the hell youre going on about. Anyone argument that involved what the consequence wouldve been in a normal job is just straight up trash.
 

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Apparently it is fairly complicated for you. In an office job you expect 0 contact, any physical contact past a pat on the back is grounds for firing.
Footy is different, you expect to get tackled, bumped, crunched whatever. Getting small jabs to the chest and such arent part of the game but are to be expected. Serious incidents like this arent firable offences in AFL but instead just weeks off.

The guy I replied to said they would be fired if they did what Gaff did. My point was that is such a useless comparison, not whatever the hell youre going on about. Anyone argument that involved what the consequence wouldve been in a normal job is just straight up trash.
Righto, missed that in your earlier posts then. Seems we agree.

What annoys me is the argument that "it's part of footy". I think Adam Simpson even said something along those lines.

No, being punched in the face way off the ball is not "part of footy" and nor should it be.
 

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Apparently it is fairly complicated for you. In an office job you expect 0 contact, any physical contact past a pat on the back is grounds for firing.
Footy is different, you expect to get tackled, bumped, crunched whatever. Getting small jabs to the chest and such arent part of the game but are to be expected. Serious incidents like this arent firable offences in AFL but instead just weeks off.

The guy I replied to said they would be fired if they did what Gaff did. My point was that is such a useless comparison, not whatever the hell youre going on about. Anyone argument that involved what the consequence wouldve been in a normal job is just straight up trash.
being tackled or bumped in order to win the ball is part of footy. even small 'jabs' are not and never have nor never should be. just because players were able to get away with it before the increase in video coverage doesnt mean it was ever actually part of the rules or intent of the game.
 

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Chest punch that went "horribly wrong" lol!!!
Nah!
Maybe that Frankston guy should claim his was also a chest punch that just went wrong.
 
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Why is everyone ok with Brayshaws tactics? They are not legal, if he was '100mtrs' away from the play.
He was blocking Gaff from running and so Gaff should of been awarded a free kick, the umpires and the AFL have a lot to answer for. I've shown people from overseas our sport and everyone of them ask why are they are bumping into each other all the time? The game isn't even inplay or the ball is 100mtrs away, it looks terrible and all the kids playing want to copy this crap. AFL need to change the umpiring and award free kicks for this stuff which is happening off the ball
Possibly had the umpires applied these rules and paid a couple of free kicks for these type of illegal tactics, then the whole thing probably would never have occurred. Unfortunately they didn't and here we are!
 

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Possibly had the umpires applied these rules and paid a couple of free kicks for these type of illegal tactics, then the whole thing probably would never have occurred. Unfortunately they didn't and here we are!
LOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah, let's go with: "Umpires should give West Coast more soft free kicks so players aren't 'accidentally' punched in the face and left with a broken jaw and displaced teeth"

West Coast fans say the darndest things.
 

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When you protect the willfully violent with minimal repercussions this sort of thing is bound to happen.
Brayshaw should sue the AFL for not providing a safe work place and Gaff for his actions.
7 commentators have plenty to answer for as well glorifying the rough elements of footy.
Think the Brayshaw family have already stated they won't be taking legal action.
 

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LOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah, let's go with: "Umpires should give West Coast more soft free kicks so players aren't 'accidentally' punched in the face and left with a broken jaw and displaced teeth"

West Coast fans say the darndest things.
Not just talking about this game but ALL games. Umpires should pay free kicks for any illegal tactics whether off the ball or during play no matter who the team is. But unfortunately some Freo supporters seem to have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to do with anything related to WCE. We all need to grow up!
 

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How lucky are Richmond?

No season ending injuries/suspensions.

Season ending injuries/suspensions to their two closest rivals (Naitanui/Gaff, Patton).

Imagine if Richmond lost (Nankervis and Edwards or Riewoldt or Caddy).
That's why they always say there's a lot of luck involved in winning a flag. Can remember Sydney having this luck during the 2005/2006 period.
 

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Not just talking about this game but ALL games. Umpires should pay free kicks for any illegal tactics whether off the ball or during play no matter who the team is. But unfortunately some Freo supporters seem to have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to do with anything related to WCE. We all need to grow up!
Agree that if they want to stop illegal tackles and hits off the ball they should pay them as free kicks consistently and it would stop.

But to put any blame on the umpires for Gaff's hit is far-fetched.
 

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Righto, missed that in your earlier posts then. Seems we agree.

What annoys me is the argument that "it's part of footy". I think Adam Simpson even said something along those lines.

No, being punched in the face way off the ball is not "part of footy" and nor should it be.
Adam Simpson certainly didn't say that, and people running a microscope over every comment and assigning nefarious motivations to it has been a big part of the hysteria problem surrounding this case.
 

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Adam Simpson certainly didn't say that, and people running a microscope over every comment and assigning nefarious motivations to it has been a big part of the hysteria problem surrounding this case.
I'm not hysterical.

Look, he said 'that's footy' in his press conference, and then Adam Simpson said it to me again when we were teeing off at the sixth the other day.

You can check with Jay-Z or Bill Clinton if you don't believe me - they were there too.
 

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Agree that if they want to stop illegal tackles and hits off the ball they should pay them as free kicks consistently and it would stop.

But to put any blame on the umpires for Gaff's hit is far-fetched.
I wasn't necessarily blaming the umpires but just pointing out if they had payed free kicks for any illegal tactics then maybe this incident could have been avoided. We will never know of course as it's purely hypothetical! However in saying that did notice at times particularly after the Gaff/Brayshaw incident the umpires did seem to lose control of the game but that's just IMO being at the game as saw a lot of what was going on away from the cameras.
 

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I'm not hysterical.

Look, he said 'that's footy' in his press conference, and then Adam Simpson said it to me again when we were teeing off at the sixth the other day.

You can check with Jay-Z or Bill Clinton if you don't believe me - they were there too.
Live footage from Adam Simpson's press conference.

 

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I wasn't necessarily blaming the umpires but just pointing out if they had payed free kicks for any illegal tactics then maybe this incident could have been avoided. We will never know of course as it's purely hypothetical! However in saying that did notice at times particularly after the Gaff/Brayshaw incident the umpires did seem to lose control of the game but that's just IMO being at the game as saw a lot of what was going on away from the cameras.
I think you would need NFL numbers of umpires to catch some of the holding.
 

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I'm not hysterical.

Look, he said 'that's footy' in his press conference, and then Adam Simpson said it to me again when we were teeing off at the sixth the other day.

You can check with Jay-Z or Bill Clinton if you don't believe me - they were there too.
Just be careful how hard you hit the iron onto the green. That 100m layup up is a lot closer than it looks. Wouldn't want you 70m over the back into the bunker.
 

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Just be careful how hard you hit the iron onto the green. That 100m layup up is a lot closer than it looks. Wouldn't want you 70m over the back into the bunker.
I don't think focussing on the difference between 30 meters off the ball or 100 meters off the ball is the point. The point is that Andrew Gaff punched Andrew Brayshaw in the face causing enough damage for him to be unable to eat solid food for a month. Wouldn't you agree that should be the focus in this?
 
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