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Wow! Would take him in an instant.

We've already spoken to his management apparently.

This makes it very interesting. If Brisbane take Ball at pick 27, we'll just nab Welsh at 30. No quarrels there!
 
i didn't watch welsh too closely this year, but how did he travel post injury? i've seen the stats already posted, and it looks like he worked his way into it well, but for anyone watching closer, did he like a guy who might have lost a step?
 
You have to wonder about the intelligence of clubs and the way they handle contracts these days.

Surely Essendon could have and should have offered the contract that was apparently just rejected as soon as their end of season review was done, which for them would have been before the GF.

Or is this just another case of "The Brian Lakes" where neither of these 2 players are going anywhere, and they are just holding out till the last moment for the best deal possible while still staying at their club.

I'll believe it when Welsh, McPhee or Ball nominate for a certain draft, until then it's all just speculation (obv Ball's going to a draft).
 
Ant85 said:
Wow! Would take him in an instant.

We've already spoken to his management apparently.

This makes it very interesting. If Brisbane take Ball at pick 27, we'll just nab Welsh at 30. No quarrels there!
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I'd doubt that we would get either welsh or ball. The only way it could be possible is via the Pre season draft- even then it's a bit of a stretch. If Welsh leaves and nominates for the national draft, I can see Essendon getting ball with pick 26 and then brisbane getting welsh if interested with pick 27.
 

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Why would Welsh last til 30 in the draft?

McPhee should take whatever he is given, God I hope we don't go near him. I've never seen someone **** up so much on the last line of defence, sometimes I think he is just trolling to get some lulz from the crowd.
 
I can see that most of the posters aren't familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of Welsh and McPhee.

Welsh

positives

- team oriented
- hard body
- effective at clearances
- can lock down on the right opponent
- good stamina
- hard trainer
- leadership skills
- tackling is elite

Negatives

- disposal is often shoddy by foot
- can be burnt off by pacy players
- suspect in one on battles in defence
- plays small for his height
- peripheral awareness lacking at times
- probably limited to a midfield role

McPhee

Positives

- Hard body
- team oriented
- versatile
- disposal by foot is reliable
- marks well for his height
- stamina
- work rate is elite

Negatives

- decision making can be labored
- doesn't match up on monster forwards
- peripheral awareness

McPhee is a B and F winner and Welsh hasn't ever finished in the top 3.

McPhee is far more versatile and can play effectively at both ends - although I prefer him at half forward.

As a point of comparison - Leigh Brown. Brown had a solid year playing defence, forward and pinch hitting in the ruck ( this wont be needed with the recruitment of Jolly ) but McPhee is far more effective in these roles.
 
Describing McPhee's decision-making as "labored" might be the understatement of the year. He makes the wrong decision with startling consistency.

As almost everyone else has said, it's an easy yes on Welsh for me (though it's doubtful he'll get to us), and a do not want on McPhee. Even if he came in the PSD.

At least Leigh Brown has size and toughness.
 
welsh plays some really good games but i think he will end up being a list clogger.

if we were looking at nicoski then surely we would look at mcphee. mcphee is fine unless he has time to think about what he is going to do next. if mcphee is laboured then nicoski is turnbull.
 
I've never noticed Welsh's disposal to be too bad tbh. Never has come off as damaging, but he generally seems to reasonably solid in that area.

It's probably something I'd notice if he was in the black and white I guess.
 
I'd give a definate yes to Welsh and a definate no to Mcphee.

I might also add that I've met Welsh a couple of times as he has come and coached my Auskick kids and he seems like a ripping bloke. I've heard other people say glowing things about him too.

Having said the above, I'm sure he'll reach a deal with Essendon and stay there.
 
yaco55 said:
I can see that most of the posters aren't familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of Welsh and McPhee.

Welsh

positives

- team oriented
- hard body
- effective at clearances
- can lock down on the right opponent
- good stamina
- hard trainer
- leadership skills
- tackling is elite

Negatives

- disposal is often shoddy by foot
- can be burnt off by pacy players
- suspect in one on battles in defence
- plays small for his height
- peripheral awareness lacking at times
- probably limited to a midfield role

McPhee

Positives

- Hard body
- team oriented
- versatile
- disposal by foot is reliable
- marks well for his height
- stamina
- work rate is elite

Negatives

- decision making can be labored
- doesn't match up on monster forwards
- peripheral awareness

McPhee is a B and F winner and Welsh hasn't ever finished in the top 3.

McPhee is far more versatile and can play effectively at both ends - although I prefer him at half forward.

As a point of comparison - Leigh Brown. Brown had a solid year playing defence, forward and pinch hitting in the ruck ( this wont be needed with the recruitment of Jolly ) but McPhee is far more effective in these roles.
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McPhee is an absolute dud - the biggest flat track bully in the comp. If you think Neon Leon goes missing in finals, have a look at this joker!

Hine, Malthouse and co. wouldn't be stupid enough and even entertain the thought of drafting McPhee.

I agree with MarkT2 - would rather see our youngsters in Sidebottom, McCarthy etc spend time in the midfield.
 
With Welsh and Macphee on the market now, i reckon our chances of getting luke ball may have increased.

Couple all the kids in the national draft and afew quality experienced players,Ball at pick 30 may slip through.

However the hiccup could be this Ball must tell melbourne he is not interested in becoming a demon,however Brisbane may be keen to pick him up.Also if Essendon do lose macphee and Welsh they have two picks ahead of us and they could pull a swifty and pick ball,before he gets to us.
Why 2 reasons; If the bombers lose welsh and have already lost lovett,the fact that ball is good friends with Watson the bombers may well be looking at replenishing their midfield stocks and they could pounce.

If that is the case welsh may be snapped up by Brisbane or Port Adelaide,both teams have picks before us,Port have lost Bourgoune and are also looking at restocking their midfield.

So you see it's not as seasy for the pies,unfortunately we are middle table before we get a pick (30) the quality players could be gone by then.

In hindsight now we should have done the deal with stkilda Goldsac and pick 30 for Ball on the tuesday before we got jolly and we wouldn't be in this position now.
 

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Absolutely!

One of Welsh or Ball would be awesome.

Give Welsh a 3-4yr deal if that's what it takes IMO.

He is a very good player. He also has more tricks than Ball too.

He is capable of being a goal kicking midfielder as well as a tagger.

Definitely tore us a new one a year or two ago.

Would easily be in our best 22.
 
aaronmx said:
Welsh would be a good pick up imo.

He absolutely killed us in a game a couple of years ago I think it was. If it came down to Welsh and Ball I would still like us to get Ball but if we ended up with Welsh that would be great for us too.
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yeah kicked 4 against us, he's never done that since though...just a freak game...still a handy player!
 
Yes to both Welsh and McPhee.

Welsh is the tagger we desparately need.

McPhee will be an improvement on Toovey for the back pocket position.
I also think he hasn't had a chance into settle into one position during his career. He has the talent being a former all australian but I can see that he could be a similar Clement type for Collingwood's back line to play on mid-size forwards. O'Brien pretty much played on mainly small forwards this year and the team could use a taller mobile option like McPhee.
 
beez said:
We need to get some better looking players on our list. Welsh is definitely a target.
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Id take him in a heart-beat....

But does this mean that we still need to de-list one more to make room for him? (unless he nominated for the ND in which case we would have to pray that he slips through to 30, unlikely i would have thought.)
 
Meh, a very vanilla footballer. He'd make our best 22 but I couldn't care less if we missed out on him. I wouldn't mind picking either Welsh or Harris up in the PSD but Ball would be the one I'd want if we are going to give up pick 30.
 

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Invigoration said:
Why would Welsh last til 30 in the draft?

McPhee should take whatever he is given, God I hope we don't go near him. I've never seen someone **** up so much on the last line of defence, sometimes I think he is just trolling to get some lulz from the crowd.
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100% correct!

He's shit!
 
yaco55 said:
McPhee

Positives

- Hard body
- team oriented
- versatile
- disposal by foot is reliable
- marks well for his height
- stamina
- work rate is elite

Negatives

- decision making can be labored
- doesn't match up on monster forwards
- peripheral awareness

McPhee is a B and F winner and Welsh hasn't ever finished in the top 3.

McPhee is far more versatile and can play effectively at both ends - although I prefer him at half forward.

As a point of comparison - Leigh Brown. Brown had a solid year playing defence, forward and pinch hitting in the ruck ( this wont be needed with the recruitment of Jolly ) but McPhee is far more effective in these roles.
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Keep polishing that **** champ, maybe someone like Freo will bite, they love washed up Bummers.

The Toovey myth continues as well. Absolutely no contest of who I'd prefer in a back pocket lining up on a dangerous small. Can anyone tell me the last time Toovey was actually beaten (convincingly or not)?
Just watch the Adelaide final if you want to see McPhee performing in his carnival of errors. Tooves disposal coming out of defence isn't always brilliant, but I'd still prefer it coming out through him then old deer in the headlights McPhee.

Welsh would be perfect for us though, I just can't see why all the teams through the 20's in the draft would over look him.
 
The best thing from this article is that we are still chasing Ball.

Ive said it since we missed out on him, I still think we will land him if he really wants to play for us...
 
Both will get 3 year deals with Essendon. Worth discussing though.

No to Mcphee and I'd be interested in Welsh but I'd rather use pick 30 on a youngster if Ball is not available.

Luke Ball (he just has that desire)> Andrew Welsh
 
I'd be happy with either to be honest!

Welsh would be a bigger need then McPhee but i wouldnt knock McPhee back at all.

MM always gets the best out of recycled players and the upside would be well worth the risk for either player.

Like others have said Ball is still a possible, maybe small, but I live in hope. We should be targeting some good established players to complement some young guns that we already have and our premiership window is well and truly open.

We should be trading and recruiting with this in mind, Darren Jolly TICK!:thumbsu:

So excited about Jolly.......Let's kick it off boys!

Once spring carnival is dusted what will I do?
 
we wont get any of them, but hell yeh i would want atleast 1 of them, welsh is a good player i would like him, but where not gunna get him.
 

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