Have you ever posted anything that didn't look and read like a barrel of chook entrails fired out of a canon against a brick wall Claude?
I do sometimes forget you're so utterly clueless about ruckmen that you rated Wood a top-10 pick and droned on in your inimitable fashion about us not taking him for years (until of course, you belatedly realised he was a donkey). And here you are at it again, claiming Bellchambers has more attributes to be successful than Graham.
I also - foolishly - forget that anytime I try and engage you in a sensible debate, sooner or later (invariably sooner) you'll come back with a giant spambot response which
doesn't get anywhere near the substance of what I posted, being simply the umpteenth time you've repeated your ridiculous, almost entirely unfounded criticisms of various players, with a double side salad of the completely frickin' irrelevant.
It's nearly as hilarious as your assertion (practically every post you've made for the last 5-6 years!) that somehow Richmond will remain mired in mediocrity because a few people saw some decent signs in a player who hadn't been a regular senior and discussed it on the internet.
Reality check Claude - our opinions aren't going to influence the club's list management...especially not your opinions.
lol you truly are deluded.the only difference between you and i when it comes to our players is i have been in the main shown to be correct.
just on wood who is indeed a better player than graham but another of those triers you try to place behind graham. i wanted us to take him at pick 16 2004 instead of pattison. was critical of us taking pattison there and our failure to take a genuine young ruckman in that draft, in previous drafts, and drafts that followed. seems i got that right as well. look at the situation we are in now and here we are having this conversation. i forgot you have a penchant for rewriting history to suit.
wood who imo is better than graham and at least on a par is caned by you
heres a player who in your opinion is a dud but is better than or at the least on par with graham who in your blinkered estimation is a star. lol.
its like oh yep opposition player has to be a dud. and he may be. but then we cop oh richmond player sheesh future star lets ignore the basics. lets not be objective in our assessment. it doesnt work that way rasor surely after being bitten on the arse so many times you would have learnt this by now.
strengths and weaknesses old son backed up with performance against peers. nothing more nothing less. you should try judging players by them once in awhile you might manage to get some substance into your ramblings. you may even manage to judge a player correctly.
here you are singing his praises after the essendon game yet he was our senior ruckman and the difference between probably winning and losing was the performance of the ruckmen. in essence you are saying in time graham will be as good as hille and ryder and thus we in time can compete against them in this area in time me im saying angus will always reamain a battler who tries.
me i think the club should be aiming for two ruckmen like ryder and hille you well your happy with mediocrity.
you are entitled to judge a player as you see fit i have little doubt we will go thru 100 plus games of mainly mediocrity with graham with blinkered deluded fools like yourself singing his praises.
the simple facts are if we are to be better and go past 16 other clubs we no doubt will have to do better than the grahams of the footy world.
and ya know rasor its alright to back in kids but when they have been in a system for 4 or 7 yrs and they have done nothing you really have to stop backing them in. this is where we differ. take wood again or even angus quite prepared to give them a go but having watched them over a decent period of time have made the assesment that we must do better. you you just keep on persevering hoping for that magical cure..the halls krakouers tivendales pettifers sheesh bud you have to do better you cant back them in forever. in fact your attitude mirrors the club of the last 10 yrs and look where that has got us.
yep as a junior i liked wood but having watched him for 5 yrs would i take him now. the simple answer is no we need to do better. in rookieing graham i thought great give him an opportunity and we can assess him hes been assessed based on his perfromances how hes gone against his peers and most importantly the tools he has to work with. he comes up short.
we can do what you advocate do what we have done in the past and hang onto him for an inordinate amount of time in hope that all of a sudden he will magically improve, or we can actually try to do better and look to upgrade on him.
finally if the club in its wisdom does not think browne or vickery will be better than graham they should delist them and keep looking for something that they are sure will be better. a bit early to make that call just yet though.
im not here to get into a slanging match with you or even a debate its pointless.
when i look at graham i see a dumb lazy poorly skilled slow dinosaur whos poor above his head and lacks agility. with little scope for improvement. and yep there are other ruckmen with similar traits we have to do better than all of them.we certainly need to aim higher.
if you cant see this well who am i to criticise you.