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Angus "Goose" Graham

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Rayzorwire said:
Love how he gets stronger as the game goes on...his best three quarters have been the last quarters of each game he's played this year.

Very good game again today, wish he could have tackled Brogan.
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im going to agree he had a good game.he can only beat what hes up against. but really he should have won his position when one considers what he was up against. did they have a recognised ruckman.
 
did great today something like 14 tackles
didn't have alot of it but to be fair it's wasn't a big mans game
tackled hard did great tap work

he will play the rest of the year so will get better and better the more he plays
 
I am not trying to bring a party down when it is in full swing (after the Simmonds retiring thread), but AFL standard football is what this guy needed. Not being in the reserves while Simmonds "tried". This is not a swing at Simmonds at all, but I still am completely confused why we haven't had him playing since the start of the season yet we have played other out of form players. The rucks need experience!

Well done Angus, you have done the right things.
 

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Bojangles17 said:
yes, I too am a little bemused why he hasn't been playing since R4 given the circumstances with simmo's formline nonetheless, **** all we can do about that now
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was abysmal at coburg its that simple. what 20 points in the plan did he tick.

if graham can get a game without meeting the requirements why not browne.
 
Probably his best game so far, but pretty lucky that swing didn't connect with Trengroves head or his good form would be wasted on the sidelines.
 
Punt Road Feral said:
All credit to him and i am a Gus fan.
But
He was playing against a 19/20 year old ruckman who is weaker than he is with less experience. Next week will be a better test for him :thumbsu:
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same thing was said after his first game when he was going to have to face Hille and Ryder, he went alright there. next week if its dry we will probably look for him a bit more.
 
santa claws said:
i liked this from a poster over at oer.

not much to get excited about so we get excited over mediocrity. sort of sums the graham situation up nicely.
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this is where you get it all arse about. The excitement is more about the graph that was flatlining for a couple of years, now pointing north. The bottom line is that he is influencing contests now. Yes there wasnt much up against him yesterday, apart from the bog track, but what you need to understand is that in the past, Gus would have had zero impact in such a situation and now he is having AN IMPACT. ;)
 

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santa claws said:
im going to agree he had a good game.he can only beat what hes up against. but really he should have won his position when one considers what he was up against. did they have a recognised ruckman.
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I don't get these types of comments, when Gus goes up against experienced rucks he gets blasted if he doesn't beat them or at least break even, yet when Graham goes up against a kid, its well he should have won his position given what he was up against.

Perhaps it would be wise to remember that in terms of being an AFL ruckman Graham is still very much a kid himself, having barely played 20 games. Yet statistically he is travelling as well as guys like Sandilands Cox Hille & Ottens were at the same age albeit they had a bit more experience.
 
Mate see what he can do against opponents who aren't even close to his calibre, 34 hit outs 14 tackles and 7 disposals not bad.

Whan he is up against the best, he struggles yes but so do a lot of others, he comes to the front when playing the second string ruckmen. ATM he is taking his chances starting to look like he is actually enjoying his game.
 
Ruthless Tiger said:
I don't get these types of comments, when Gus goes up against experienced rucks he gets blasted if he doesn't beat them or at least break even, yet when Graham goes up against a kid, its well he should have won his position given what he was up against.

Perhaps it would be wise to remember that in terms of being an AFL ruckman Graham is still very much a kid himself, having barely played 20 games. Yet statistically he is travelling as well as guys like Sandilands Cox Hille & Ottens were at the same age albeit they had a bit more experience.
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its not hard to understand. hes a 5th yr player who is 23 who has managed just 20 odd games in that time frame.hes as mature as he is going to get.
when up against ruckmen of similar age he struggles . when up against most of his peers hes a battler. and yes indeed many ruckmen are battlers in their early yrs the thing with graham i just dont think he has the tools to improve enough.

even on this thread where nearly all defend him most are saying second third stringer should we not be aiming for better.

right at this minute hes got simmonds job. that is a bigger body playing to allow the few other ruckmen we have time to develop.
and yep credit to him hes doing a better job than simmonds hes giving a contest and even winning a few contests. but this does not make him a good ruckman it should be the least we expect.

what did you expect from him going up against a kpp in trengrove in just his second yr. a 19 yr who hadnt played a game till this yr.

even the club had doubts about him why else would they talk a retireing simmonds around to go again.

i have to laugh my head of many have called hille a dud in the past but rate graham.if hille is a dud surely graham is as well. its this sort of double standard that gets me going.
 
"Beef" (what's the Goose reference about?) is cooking very nicely thank you. Interesting how our centre clearances have gone through the roof since he got a game. His big-bodied contest is creating the space our mids were desperately lacking. And unless my eyes deceive me, he can mark, kick and make a pretty decent lay-off disposal. Looks like a 150+ gamer to me.
 
tiggywigs said:
"Beef" (what's the Goose reference about?) is cooking very nicely thank you. Interesting how our centre clearances have gone through the roof since he got a game. His big-bodied contest is creating the space our mids were desperately lacking. And unless my eyes deceive me, he can mark, kick and make a pretty decent lay-off disposal. Looks like a 150+ gamer to me.
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And he cost us nothing... thats how you get rucks... Rookie draft.

Vickory will be ok... but I'd rather Sidebottom, Swift, Zeibell, Blease....etc...

Rucks are not worth high picks unless you trade a high pick for a proven ruck... even then it's too risky and expensive. Collingwood have tried Wood and Jolley... with out huge results.
 
santa claws said:
its not hard to understand. hes a 5th yr player who is 23 who has managed just 20 odd games in that time frame.hes as mature as he is going to get.
when up against ruckmen of similar age he struggles . when up against most of his peers hes a battler. and yes indeed many ruckmen are battlers in their early yrs the thing with graham i just dont think he has the tools to improve enough.

even on this thread where nearly all defend him most are saying second third stringer should we not be aiming for better.

right at this minute hes got simmonds job. that is a bigger body playing to allow the few other ruckmen we have time to develop.
and yep credit to him hes doing a better job than simmonds hes giving a contest and even winning a few contests. but this does not make him a good ruckman it should be the least we expect.

what did you expect from him going up against a kpp in trengrove in just his second yr. a 19 yr who hadnt played a game till this yr.

even the club had doubts about him why else would they talk a retireing simmonds around to go again.

i have to laugh my head of many have called hille a dud in the past but rate graham.if hille is a dud surely graham is as well. its this sort of double standard that gets me going.
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Yeah it is hard to understand, while he is in his 5th year it should be pointed out that he for the first couple of years was 3rd/4th in line behind the likes of Simmonds Knobel Stafford & Pattison. Then when he finally got his chance at the end of the 07 season he broke his ankle and effectively missed the whole 08 season. So given he has basically had 2 full seasons at AFL level and has had to pretty much play as first ruck during that time I believe he is travelling pretty well.

I posted a comparison a page or 2 back of Grahams 09 season compared to the likes of Cox Sandilands Hille & Ottens at the same age and statistically he is right up with them, the difference being that Graham was carrying the ruck with backup from the likes of Vickery & Pattison after Simmonds went down. The other 4 were going around with some decent backup or were backing up a quality ruckman, Cox had Gardiner, Hille had Salmon & Alessio, Ottens had Stafford and Sandilands had Simmonds.

As Hardwick has said, you can't really judge a player until they have played 50 games, that gives Graham until the end of next season to show something. By that stage he will be a 24 year old ruckman with 50 games to his name and if you go back and look at the likes of Hille Cox Sandilands and Ottens you'll probably find that it was once they got to this stage of their careers that they started to flourish as ruckmen.
 

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santa claws said:
was abysmal at coburg its that simple. what 20 points in the plan did he tick.

if graham can get a game without meeting the requirements why not browne.
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Browne is so far behind Graham its not funny!!! I would be very surprised if we see Browne play a game for Richmond in the next 2 years!
 
nut said:
And he cost us nothing... thats how you get rucks... Rookie draft.

Vickory will be ok... but I'd rather Sidebottom, Swift, Zeibell, Blease....etc...

Rucks are not worth high picks unless you trade a high pick for a proven ruck... even then it's too risky and expensive. Collingwood have tried Wood and Jolley... with out huge results.
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:confused: Blease hasn't even played a game yet has he?
 
nut said:
And he cost us nothing... thats how you get rucks... Rookie draft.

Vickory will be ok... but I'd rather Sidebottom, Swift, Zeibell, Blease....etc...

Rucks are not worth high picks unless you trade a high pick for a proven ruck... even then it's too risky and expensive. Collingwood have tried Wood and Jolley... with out huge results.
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Did you write the highlighted bit today or was it written 2 years ago?
I doubt Sidebottom, Ziebell are available so irrelevant writing this now.
Unless of course you're fixated on living in the past, in which case I'd like to say we should've drafted Jimmy Bartel, Chris Judd, Aaron Sandilands, Adam Goodes, Mark Riccutto and James Hird. But we didn't so we move on!!!!!
 
santa claws said:
was abysmal at coburg its that simple. what 20 points in the plan did he tick.

if graham can get a game without meeting the requirements why not browne.
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Which of the 20 team rules did he not fulfill?
 

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