Injury Ankle Surgery for Jamie Elliott

The club is to blame. Look no further than it for a culprit. It should do this and that, but in Elliott's case it fell asleep on the job. It's a club that throws players to the wolves and to the scrapheap, where players have a Best Used by date of 30, and incompetence in player management is the norm, not the unheard of exception. No need to single out an individual, when there is a whole club at which to cast your critiques and concerns.
Ah the Club. I see the errors of my way. "I jumped right in line saying I hope that I'm not late"
 

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I blame whoever told him large amounts of alcohol are good for rehab as long as you urinate into a rubbish bin, what was our banned Doctor thinking?
 
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Collingwood Director of Football, Geoff Walsh, explained that further rest was unlikely to allow the 25 year-old two-time Gordon Coventry Award winner to properly prepare for the 2018 season.

“The injury was one Jamie played with late this year. The recommendation post-season was that with a spell from the rigours of playing and training the ankle would heal. Unfortunately the healing process has been slower than expected and surgery is now appropriate,” Walsh said.

“We’re expecting to have Jamie back into the full training program by late January.”

From the cfc website.

I really don't see an issue with (after the medico's advice), that rest didn't heal the ankle as good as they thought it would, that now he goes in for surgery.

No biggie.
 
And exactly what was the club meant to say when they likely had no idea of what would happen until after they got the scans? Seems to me that whatever they said, somebody would take issue with it.
In this circumstance they shouldn't have said anything until the scan results came back, which was only a few hours after the story broke. When a popular player has a mishap in a very public training session, you can't pretend like it was all part of the plan as the club tried to do.
 
Without the benefit of first hand knowledge or other concrete evidence I wouldn't be throwing the club's medical professionals under a bus.

I share the disappointment about Jamie, but this is simply a case of him not responding well enough to conservative treatment. It is not clear to me how his recovery was mismanaged (perhaps a person with more knowledge that I have can help me understand). Firstly people need to understand that surgery carries risk, and secondly (and most importantly) that it is not always the best option.

Perhaps The Royal Sampler or Gone Critical can help us understand how long after surgery Jamie's ankle joint can be flexed/extended so that we can get a better handle on when he can start low impact work swimming/cycling/rowing etc to regain fitness and of course joint rehab. Running will be the last thing in his program.

On another note, we all know that the club has under-performed in the last few years but it would seem that the slightest issue is now proof of our incompetence.

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In this circumstance they shouldn't have said anything until the scan results came back, which was only a few hours after the story broke. When a popular player has a mishap in a very public training session, you can't pretend like it was all part of the plan as the club tried to do.

Agree 100%. I have recently suspected that our ham-fisted PR department received its training in N. Korea but this is not indicative of incompetence in Jamie's injury management.

People's bodies break and they don't always mend as expected. The club can afford the best advice to diagnose and rehab player injuries. Blaming the professionals involved in managing Jamie's injuries is just misguided anger IMO.
 
The club either needs to fold or make drastic changes. The same s**t has been going on since 2012. We are sick of it now/ no more excuses. Change it!!!
Yeah, let’s close the whole thing down and barrack for Carlton.
 

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So who are we blaming here. One of the club doctors. The backspecialist who stuffed his Elliotts management. The ankle surgeon they sent him to for the ankle injury which has been stuffed. Was it the shoulder surgeon who stuffed Broomheads recovery. Was it the psychologist and psychiatrist Faz sees. Maybe Reid's calf doctor or the ballet teacher. Perhaps it was the physio. Davoren is gone but must have had fingers in this. The hand surgeon who looked after Pendles made a mess of it seeing he hurt his finger again.

More than anyone I blame the turtle Kirby ate.
Gone C on these matters you are without doubt the most knowledgable on our boards.
(Unless we have other medical practioners masquerading as posters.)
Unsure why total non medical experts feel they are more likely to be right than medical experts?
The odds just say they don't have any real reading of a medical situation.

Speak to anyone that have back issues and gone to various specialists. So many varied stories, this worked, this didn't et al.

Each case is different, each individual is different.
Each treatment hence would be different in timing and outcome, I would suggest.

I'm sure other injuries of a serious nature would like wise be a case by case outcome.

Now does Collingwood make mistakes in this area? Absolutely.
Do other clubs make mistakes in this area? Absolutely.

Does Collingwood get things right in this area? Absolutely.
Do other clubs get things right in this area? Absolutely.

There is no perfection in these matters. If people think Collingwood or any club has total incompetence or total brilliance I'd suggest, as politely as possible, they are dillusional.

Injuries are an ongoing aspect of all football clubs. It's the nature of the game.

And as we use doctors, we use specialists in different areas of the body, we are attempting to get the most sensible and positive outcome as possible.
Hence we use all sorts of experts in different fields.

I have no view on how Collingwood went with Elliott.
Let's hope he returns healthy and has a fine season.
We need him.
 

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I don't really get the hyper-ventilating that goes on when an injury happens. Yes, it's frustrating but in this case it was a known issue and managed cautiously - R&R to see how the body responds and use surgery as a last resort. I haven't checked the Carlton board to see if they're baying for blood over Docherty's ACL. People who are qualified are making the decisions that they're paid to do.
 

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Collingwood Director of Football, Geoff Walsh, explained that further rest was unlikely to allow the 25 year-old two-time Gordon Coventry Award winner to properly prepare for the 2018 season.

“The injury was one Jamie played with late this year. The recommendation post-season was that with a spell from the rigours of playing and training the ankle would heal. Unfortunately the healing process has been slower than expected and surgery is now appropriate,” Walsh said.

“We’re expecting to have Jamie back into the full training program by late January.”

From the cfc website.

I really don't see an issue with (after the medico's advice), that rest didn't heal the ankle as good as they thought it would, that now he goes in for surgery.

No biggie.

Its funny how so many here are effectively saying 'stuff resting, get everyone into surgery straight after an injury".
Just rubbish - they ignore the fact that the majority player recover quite successfully with rest, and its therefore always the sensible first option.
 
Bradshaw is gone so I expect he'll fine by the start of the season.

If he was still there, we wouldn't be seeing Jamie until Round 21.
Of course it's worth remembering that Bradshaw wasn't the one who decided to manage Elliotts back conservatively and he wasn't the one who later decided it was now time to operate. In addition he wasn't the one who decided rest was the best initial course for Jamie's ankle and he wasn't the one who decided now we operate.

He was the one who clearly stuffed Elliotts management though.
 
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Of course it's worth remembering that Bradshaw wasn't the one who decided to manage Elliotts back conservatively and he wasn't the one who later decided it was now time to operate. In addition he wasn't the one who decided rest was the best initial course for Jamie's ankle and he wasn't the one who decided now we operate.

He was the one who clearly stuffed Elliotts management though.

No you're right. I mean, the sun even shines on a dog's arse some days, but no, our injury profile over the last few years has been stellar. You're right.
 
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Hey guys before eveyone wants to attack the club and what not i have something to say about it all.

First off i share the frustration that we all have of the set back as Jamie is one of our most important players, but we can't just go and say it's definitely the clubs fault. Do you really think they weren't doing what they thought was best for one of our best players?

Anyway, couple months ago the last game of the footy season i injured my ankle and docs wouldn't give me an ultrasound as it was just a sprain, so anyway long story short i eventually got one and it turned out to be a complete rupture of anterior talo fibular ligament. I saw an ankle specialist the other day and he has basically said he wants me on a 6 week physio program to see how it responds. Chances are it responds well and this is best case for me but he did say there is a chance it won't respond in which case i will need a reconstruction. This could be very similar to what happened with Jamie.

Moral of the story is things like this can be unpredictable and everyone responds differently to different treatments.
 
Its funny how so many here are effectively saying 'stuff resting, get everyone into surgery straight after an injury".
Just rubbish - they ignore the fact that the majority player recover quite successfully with rest, and its therefore always the sensible first option.
It’s even funnier when posters accuse him of not following rehab properly because he got drunk on Derby Day.
 
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