Autopsy Annihilation v coll

[amaz199]

I could give them a bit of leeway and say the Richmond stoppage fest perhaps played a role in our fade out. However, we've seen this story often and even taking into consideration the 6-day break, sides with some form of standard simply don't get comprehensively blown away like that last quarter.

Some good sides may get a few kicked on them but they answer with a few of their own like we did earlier. It's just we can't give opposition ample opportunity to land the finishing blow.

Good sides find a way and we are nowhere near it. I'm concerned about West Coast beating us. Very concerned.

 

[tazaa]

It was a totally different game after half time.
We just lost our heads.

Collingwood put speed on the ball to counteract our kick mark style and it worked.
There was chaos and more errors and the warning signs were there.

We just couldn’t go with them in the last as a result and Clarko was comprehensively out coached. Imagine they were full strength.

The plan is to be ahead after four quarters but Clarko simply has a plan in place with a list that is not capable of executing it.

The juice is just not worth the squeeze.

It’s almost at the point that you reassess the strengths of the list, and genuinely ask can it be taken further than where it’s at.

 

[amaz199]

To be honest, I'd rather we lose moving the ball quick and getting it to space than kicking it around. Kind of like we did against Brisbane and *Essendon.

We can't methodically move the ball and switch angles. It's never been our DNA. Just get it in quick and let the forwards go to work with 1v1s. If we allow opposition to set-up then the extra numbers outside of the inevitable contest will feast.

We went super defensive against the Pies and we fell into their trap. Why would you not move the ball quickly to expose:

• Maynard vs. Maley/Darling?
• Howe vs. Maley/Darling/Zurhaar?
• Frampton vs. Larkey?

Everytime Collingwood lost the footy, Cameron sprinted back to help their defenders. We kicked the footy around and kept messing around with it whilst they set up swiftly.

Even when Maynard went down and they had mismatches everywhere, we subbed Maley! LOL.

 

[Rod Stroker]

this was the ladder after 2 games, when we were in the 8. Since then, the only change has been us tumble to 17th, while the Dogs have come in.

 

[Passmore]

When the rebuild started could be debated and could argue that the rebuild started when Boomer and Petrie were cut
if we look at Norths ladder positions 2018 looks like an anomaly finishing 9th and 2017 was the 1st year but there is arguments each way and Cartlon supporters adjusted their rebuild starting date 5 times now.

But if 6 wins was your pass (which should not have been ) then realistically your team is on track and should get to close to that no problem. But i would be very disappointed if i was a North supporter expecting only 6 wins for 2025

NorF? Hanging shit back at home base?

 

[DuckYeah]

The players were saving their bodies for the bye round. Who wants to fly in a plane to Bali with aces and pains? It’s already uncomfortable as it is.

I would be pushing for a seriously intense training camp/week. What we are serving up is crap. Would be having a scratch match this bye round.. but we wont do that, we are just insipid and arent striving for success.. we are striving to be in games at 3/4 time

 

[Kanga Glory]

Listening to RSN this morning (better than the Sen and their commercials) Daniel Harford

Daniel Harford

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81kg

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10.3

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3.6

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1.8

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15.8

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7.6

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2.8

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1.4

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said why is there such a pile on about North - it's a top of the ladder versus 17th. North were actually good for a long period of the game.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Listening to RSN this morning (better than the Sen and their commercials) Daniel Harford said why is there such a pile on about North - it's a top of the ladder versus 17th. North were actually good for a long period of the game.

Is there a pile on? The players we had out there were good enough to win that game, and they not only didn’t keep it close, they collapsed to a large defeat. It’s not a shocking loss given where the two sides are at but it’s also not a free pass, and commentators should ask questions.

 

[ohmygewd]

I would be pushing for a seriously intense training camp/week. What we are serving up is crap. Would be having a scratch match this bye round.. but we wont do that, we are just insipid and arent striving for success.. we are striving to be in games at 3/4 time

Scratch match would a close affair...at least the VFL side knows how to put a team to the sword!!

 

[King Corey]

Listening to RSN this morning (better than the Sen and their commercials) Daniel Harford said why is there such a pile on about North - it's a top of the ladder versus 17th. North were actually good for a long period of the game.

Disagree with this interpretation.

Clubs don't hit the season with a preordained ladder position (we'll maybe they do but that's a separate discussion).

Ladder position is the product of the club's efforts. Not the other way around.

A depleted Collingwood knocked us out and that is why they're #1.

A full strength North (let's not claim Jackson as the difference) couldn't threaten Collingwood when we had the ascendancy and didn't fire a shot when we didn't. That's why we're a bottom side.

Both teams decided their own destiny. We don't get a participation award for running with another team that has won more games for a half.

Pile on would be welcome. How many years do we hide behind a lowly reputation that allows 20 minutes of basic skill execution each week worthy of celebrating?

 

[giantroo]

I thought this post match interview with Naicos and Billy was good. They explain what changed to get the game on their terms.

 

[Caracas]

I believe, for better or for worse, we have officially arrived at the other end of the spectrum - performance-wise. Since 2000 until 2019, North were lauded for the fact that we consistently punched above our weight. The flip side of this was that we were never taken seriously. Once finals came, we would be found wanting. In 2025, things have changed right around - North are getting lambasted for failing to deliver on their potential. Hard though it is to endure 5 years of absolute dross, I prefer the present variation - just as long as we turn things around and learn what’s required to actually win.

 

[Elite Master]

I believe, for better or for worse, we have officially arrived at the other end of the spectrum - performance-wise. Since 2000 until 2019, North were lauded for the fact that we consistently punched above our weight. The flip side of this was that we were never taken seriously. Once finals came, we would be found wanting. In 2025, things have changed right around - North are getting lambasted for failing to deliver on their potential. Hard though it is to endure 5 years of absolute dross, I prefer the present variation - just as long as we turn things around and learn what’s required to actually win.

In 2000 we were an aging team but we were reigning premiers with lots of premiership players and who still finished 4th on the ladder and made a preliminary final. I'd say the "punching above their weight" North started in 2002.

 

[Caracas]

My hope is that Clarko is about to flick the switch. We practised Northball and got blown away on (frequent) turnover. We’ve now been practising Slowball for a number of weeks and tended to get blown away when the opposition put some speed into their play. Surely, it’s time to introduce both strategies during a game, when the situation warrants it?

 

[Passmore]

My hope is that Clarko is about to flick the switch. We practised Northball and got blown away on (frequent) turnover. We’ve now been practising Slowball for a number of weeks and tended to get blown away when the opposition put some speed into their play. Surely, it’s time to introduce both strategies during a game, when the situation warrants it?

The problem is the electricity may have been disconnected.

 

[Event Horizon]

It's tempting to just explain this with our youth and inexperience. We basically needed to maintain huge pressure all over the ground for four quarters to stay with them. We could only really do that for a half. They went up another gear in the third quarter and we tried to go with them, but couldn't. As a result we were three points down but in reality we were out of gas and were lucky they missed a few in that quarter. So there was a sense of inevitability about the 4th quarter.

In reality, our midfield group simply couldn't go with Collingwood in full flight. Would have been great to be a fly on the wall during our match committee discussion post game. I'd love to hear an honest appraisal of where we're at from the coaches.

I am still pretty bullish that we can win another 3-4 games after the bye. Won't get to 8 wins which I thought was doable, but if we can win 6.5 games it would still probably be a pass mark for the season and a good platform to hopefully win 8-10 next year.

It's vital though that we take some scalps after the bye. Not just beat the likes of West Coast and Richmond, but try and knock off a couple of sides in the eight.

If we're honest, Collingwood was always going to be too good for us, even with their outs. The only way we could have beaten them would be if they had a shocker, but they are too professional this season to do that

 

[r_boy]

Disagree with this interpretation.

Clubs don't hit the season with a preordained ladder position (we'll maybe they do but that's a separate discussion).

Ladder position is the product of the club's efforts. Not the other way around.

A depleted Collingwood knocked us out and that is why they're #1.

A full strength North (let's not claim Jackson as the difference) couldn't threaten Collingwood when we had the ascendancy and didn't fire a shot when we didn't. That's why we're a bottom side.

Both teams decided their own destiny. We don't get a participation award for running with another team that has won more games for a half.

Pile on would be welcome. How many years do we hide behind a lowly reputation that allows 20 minutes of basic skill execution each week worthy of celebrating?

I am sick of the excuses from the club.

Play a proper brand of football.

You have the ascendancy but don't know how to move the football to create an easy goal.

What is the actual excuse for that at this stage?

They have none! Not one person at the club!

 

[Masked Avenger]

It's tempting to just explain this with our youth and inexperience. We basically needed to maintain huge pressure all over the ground for four quarters to stay with them. We could only really do that for a half. They went up another gear in the third quarter and we tried to go with them, but couldn't. As a result we were three points down but in reality we were out of gas and were lucky they missed a few in that quarter. So there was a sense of inevitability about the 4th quarter.

In reality, our midfield group simply couldn't go with Collingwood in full flight. Would have been great to be a fly on the wall during our match committee discussion post game. I'd love to hear an honest appraisal of where we're at from the coaches.

I am still pretty bullish that we can win another 3-4 games after the bye. Won't get to 8 wins which I thought was doable, but if we can win 6.5 games it would still probably be a pass mark for the season and a good platform to hopefully win 8-10 next year.

It's vital though that we take some scalps after the bye. Not just beat the likes of West Coast and Richmond, but try and knock off a couple of sides in the eight.

If we're honest, Collingwood was always going to be too good for us, even with their outs. The only way we could have beaten them would be if they had a shocker, but they are too professional this season to do that

I think a good place to start is tell the handful of senior players who routinely put in sub-par performances that they'll be playing in the VFL for the rest of the year and are depth options only.

 

[speedy]

Forget the 3qtr time score. We were annihilated for a half of footy.

6 years into a rebuild and they still serve up the same pitiful pea-hearted effort that we have seen hundreds of times. It doesn’t matter if it was against the top team, it’s still inexcusable.

Why are some people defending this?

 

[Event Horizon]

I think a good place to start is tell the handful of senior players who routinely put in sub-par performances that they'll be playing in the VFL for the rest of the year and are depth options only.

Which particular ones do you have in mind?

 

[speedy]

We have a putrid playing list.

But according to the footy department we are ready to win.

 

[franjon]

We lack polish as a side.

Not just the average players it’s the midfielders and then is spreads throughout the team.

And if we were on and clean we’d out sides away early and then set ourselves up.

Except we make things so ****ing hard for ourselves, we burn so club energy and kill ourselves just getting ourselves into a strong position.

LDU, Wardlaw, Jy need to all become one touch players. Otherwise we’re going nowhere fast.
The one player who was clean was Sheezel and he’s gone backwards.
Even Colby was one tough and lost that early this year.

As for the game plan, the query on us was whether the gameplay would stack up across 4 quarters and it didn’t.

When a games in the balance the Pies are the absolute best at icing the contest and we didn’t even throw a punch in the last.

With them missing Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Bobby Hill, Moore, De Goey, McStay and Schulz - this is game we should have won.

We’re not clean enough, not fit enough and not smart enough and this has to change fast.

Get rid of the dumb, lazy and overpaid footballers for a start.

The only problem with all of that is most of us know all of this, and have for some time. It's time the club started to realise. The only things I would take issue with is Wardlaw shouldn't be expected to run the midfield show and I don't think McStay is all that impressive, but the rest is on the mark.

 

[speedy]

No use blaming a select few players as the problem.

Our top players aren’t good enough to be regarded as top players.
Our bottom players aren’t good enough to play seniors.

And everything in between ain’t good enough either.

 

[Disco Dew]

We have a putrid playing list.

Years of list mismanagement has led us to this. I’ve been banging on about it for years. In saying that I think we’ve gone a long way to address the huge imbalance in the list over the last couple of drafts. Overall it’s probably the best it’s been in years, but still plenty to be done. the problem now is that most of them are far too young and still need time to develop so we’re stuck with plugging gaps with campaigners almost as old and useless as I am not to mention the inability to get in decent players with our “assistance packages”


Oh and add in our MSD choices, WTAF! Imagine having first crack (or near enough to it) at the MSD each year and not having one of those players in the team. lol worthy

 

[giantroo]

North Melbourne v Collingwood​

8 Jamie Elliott (COLL)
8 Nick Daicos (COLL)
8 Ned Long (COLL)
2 Isaac Quaynor

3

Isaac Quaynor

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26

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180cm

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88kg

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14.7

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6.7

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8.0

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M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

244.0

4star

D

14.7

4star

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6.7

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8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

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2.7

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244.0

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14.7

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6.7

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8.0

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3.0

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2.7

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244.0

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(COLL)
2 Billy Frampton

17

Billy Frampton

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29

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201cm

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100kg

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9.1

2star

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5.1

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4.0

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3.1

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0.7

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99.0

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8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

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3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

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0.5

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99.0

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9.2

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5.6

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3.6

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2.8

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1.0

3star

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107.0

2star

(COLL)
1 Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

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171cm

Wt

72kg

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M/F

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D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

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9.8

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3.5

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T

2.9

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CL

1.4

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19.5

4star

K

11.1

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8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

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2.0

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1.0

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16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

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9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

(NMFC)
1 Tristan Xerri

38

Tristan Xerri

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27

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202cm

Wt

99kg

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5.5

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3.0

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2.5

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1.0

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2.5

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5.5

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3.0

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2.5

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1.0

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5.5

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3.0

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2.5

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1.0

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2.5

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(NMFC)